Porthos

Of course it's trolls at work. The score was as predictable as the rising sun. The question will be whether or not it rises as people who have actually seen the movie start rating it and whether or not there's enough of them to beat back the trolls.

They've been downvoting it for days already. It WAS at 93 or 94 (which incdentially, is one of the lowest "want to see it" scores I've seen for a tentpole on RT, well, ever) just a few days ago. I am quite sure they will take out their rage on this score much like they are over at IMDB.

I think given all of the controversy and the less than stellar tracking, anything over a 50 OW should be considered a "win" even if that won't necessarily lead to a great DOM gross. The ol' "relative to expectations" game. Then it'll all be down to legs and WOM. Being in the summer should help if it has even a mixed WOM.

Marketing's been ramping up for this. The ones with Tommy Lee Jones have been particularly good. Think this has a chance to break out. As I said over in the Tracking thread, it's been a long time for an "adult" blockbuster film that ISN'T animation/CBM/SF-F to hit the screens and the market might be starved for it. The closest big film that isn't one of the three genres I mentioned is perhaps Tarzan (and even that has pulp roots), which might explain why it's doing so well. Even the horror market is doing better than expected (in my mind at least). If, IF, this film is well reviewed, I could see a nice leggy run. Kinda like what propelled Batman Begins back in the day and the origianl Bourne film: A well-made film that appeals to a market segment that has been woefuly underserved. Of course it could also bomb due to it being too long for a sequel, so who knows. But, dunno. Got a gut felling about this one. Be interesting to see if I'm right or not.

"Ban everyone and close down the forum?" *longish pause* "Sorry. Voices in my head again!"

It's almost obligatory, but it really deserves it here: ==== Meanwhile, a quick look at the inside of the Super Secret Mod Room:

In about 24 hours time, the entire mod team reflecting on opening this thread:

Da List (in reverse order): 149 Spoonful of Sugar - Mary Poppins 149 Poor Unfortunate Souls - The Little Mermaid 148 I See Fire - The Hobbit 145 When will my Life Begin - Tangled 145 Beautiful Ride - Walk Hard 145 Rhythm of the Night - The Last Dragon 142 Everybody's Talkin' - Midnight Cowboy 142 Someday my Prince Will Come - Snow White 142 Extreme Ways - Bourne Ultimatum 138 Help - Help 138 About Today - Warrior 138 We Have All the Time in the World - On Her Majesty's Secret Service 138 Imagine - The Killing Fields 136 Xanadu - Xanadu 136 El Tango De Roxanne - Moulin Rouge 134 Have yourself a Merry Little Christmas - Meet Me in St Louis 134 You'll be in my Heart - Tarzan 133 Everything I do, I Do it For You - Robin Hood Prince of Theives 132 A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes - Cinderella 130 Cat People Putting Out Fires - Inglorious Basterds 130 Hurdy Gurdy Man - Zodiac 129 Scotty Doesn't Know - Eurotrip 127 Time in a Bottle - XMen DOFP 127 Make 'Em Laugh - Singing in the Rain 126 Pure Imagination - Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory 125 I will wait for you - Umbrellas of Cherbourg 123 Somewhere out There - American Tale 123 Now We Are Free - Gladiator 122 Up There - South Park - Bigger, Longer and Uncut 121 In Heaven - Eraserhead 120 Streets of Philadelphia - Philadelphia 117 What's This - Nigthmare Before Christmas 117 Nightcall - Drive 117 Two Worlds - Tarzan 116 Uncle Fucker - South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut 115 Where is my Mind - Fight Club 114 Stuck in the Middle With You - Reservoir Dogs 112 Starman - The Martian 112 White Christmas - Holiday Inn 111 Gangster's Paradise - Dangerous Minds 110 This is Halloween - Nightmare Before Christmas 109 Old Time Rock and Roll - Risky Business 105 Ol' Man River - Showboat 105 Sinnerman - Thomas Crown 105 Gee Officer Krupke - West Side Story 105 Elephant Song Medley - Moulin Rouge 104 Hang Me, Oh Hang me - Inside Llewyn Davis 102 Mad World - Donnie Darko 102 Footloose - Footloose 101 Sound of Silence - The Graduate 100 Prince Ali - Aladdin 99 When You Believe - The Prince of Egypt 97 Hearts on Fire - Rocky 4 97 California Dreamin' - Chungking Express 96 Everbody Needs Somebody - The Blues Brothers 95 Unchained Melody - Ghost 94 Every Sperm is Sacred - Monty Python's Meaning of Life 93 Deliver Us - Prince of Egypt 92 I Need a Hero - Shrek 2 90 Living in America - Rocky 4 90 Sixteen Going on Seventeen - Sound of Music 89 Nobody Does It Better - The Spy Who Loved Me 88 What a Feeling - Flashdance 87 Raindrops Keep Falling on My Head - Spiderman 2 86 Danger Zone - Top Gun 84 Hallelujah - Shrek 84 Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Guardians of the Galaxy 83 Theme From Shaft - Shaft 82 Do Re Mi - Sound of Music 81 Ain't no Mountain High Enough - Remember the Titans 80 New York New York - New York New York 78 May it Be - Lord of the Rings 78 Raindrops Keep Falling on my Head - Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid 77 My Favourite Things - Sound of Music 76 Can you feel the Love Tonight - Lion King 75 I've had the Time of My Life - Dirty Dancing 74 When Doves Cry - Purple Rain 73 You Take My Breath Away - Top Gun 72 Lullaby - Pan's Labyrinth 71 Live and Let Die - Live and Let Die 70 All That Jazz - Chicago 69 Supercalifragilisticexpialadocious - Mary Poppins 68 Feed the Birds - Mary Poppins 67 I see The Light - Tangled 66 We'll Meet Again - Dr Strangelove 65 Time Warp - Rocky Horror 64 Under The Sea - The Little Mermaid 63 America Fuck Yeah! - Team America 62 Tomorrow Belongs To Me - Caberet 61 If You Leave - Pretty in Pink 60 You've got A Friend In Me - Toy Story 59 Falling Slowly - Once 58 The Power of Love - Back to the Future 57 Heaven's Light/Hellfire - Hunchback of Notre Dame 56 Puttin' on the Ritz - Young Frankenstein 55 Come And Get Your Love - Guardians of the Galaxy 53 The Sound of Music - The Sound of Music 53 God Gave Rock and Roll - Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey 52 Skyfall - Skyfall 51 Constant Sorrow - O Brother, Where art Thou 50 The End - Apocalypse Now 49 Hakuna Matata - The Lion King 48 I Will Always Love You - The Bodyguard 47 Goldfinger - Goldfinger 46 If I Were a Rich Man - Fiddler On The Roof 45 Everything is Awesome - The Lego Movie 44 Gaston - Beauty and the Beasts 43 Aquarius - Hair 42 Somewhere - West Side Story 41 Tiny Dancer - Almost Famous 40 Fight The Power - Do The Right Thing 39 Rainbow Connection - The Muppets Movie 38 A Hard Day's Night - A Hard Day's Night 37 Tonight - West Side Story 36 When She Loved Me - Toy Story 2 35 The Bare Necessities - The Jungle Book 34 Cabaret - Cabaret 33 Into the West - Lord of the Rings 32 Colours of the Wind - Pocahontas 31 Bohemian Rhapsody - Wayne's World 30 I Wanna Be Like You - Jungle Book 29 Llorando - Muholland Drive 27 Friend Like Me - Aladdin 27 Springtime for Hitler - The Producers 26 I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing - Armageddon 25 Edelweiss - Sound of Music 24 Stayin' Alive - Saturday Night Fever 23 My Heart Will Go On - Titanic 22 America - West Side Story 21 As Time Goes By - Casablanca 20 Eye of the Tiger - Rocky 3 19 Lose Yourself - 8 Mile 18 Be Our Guest - Beauty And the Beast 17 I'll Make a Man Out of You - Mulan 16 Belle (Little Town) - Beauty and The Beast 15 Mrs. Robinson - The Graduate 14 La Marseillaise - Casablanca 13 Let It Go - Frozen 12 Beauty and the Beast (Tale as old as Time) - Beauty and the Beast 11 Moon River - Breakfast at Tiffany's 10 Part of that World - The Little Mermaid 9 Singing in the Rain - Singing in the Rain 8 Johnny B. Goode - Back to the Future 7 When you Wish Upon a Star - Pinocchio 6 A Whole New World - Aladdin 5 Don't you Forget About Me - The Breakfast Club 4 Ghostbusters - Ghostbusters 3 Always Look on the Bright Side of Life - Life of Brian 2 Circle of Life - The Lion King 1 Somewhere over the Rainbow - Wizard of Oz Was too lazy to include the links to the posts. Look 'em up yourselves (just remember that the numbering won't match thanks to a certain tricksy tricksy hobbitses listmaker).

@chasmmi Great list. Thanks for the ride (and the time spent doing it!).

Go big or go home. I'll take both of these. (Gulp!)

BTW, even if one wants to say that folks like Tele are being old coots yelling at clouds, I think the bigger problem might be the feast or famine nature of the box office right now. It seems like it's either sub 125 or over 300 with little in-between. Used to be there would be under-performing/under-appreciated gems in that range that would be reapprised at a later date and/or films that appealed to a large enough segment of the populace to get a decent amount of cash even though it wasn't a mega blockbuster. But this year, so far at least, it's been boom or bust. Now maybe the string of films coming out in the next couple of months will get some more "mid-range" hits. And then there are the October-December films that might end up in that range. Then again, maybe it won't. And I'm not sure it's entierly healthy for the box office to see something like this: 1 Finding Dory BV $408,512,243 4,305 $135,060,273 4,305 6/17 - 2 Captain America: Civil War BV $406,022,164 4,226 $179,139,142 4,226 5/6 - 3 Deadpool Fox $363,070,709 3,856 $132,434,639 3,558 2/12 6/16 4 The Jungle Book (2016) BV $359,991,883 4,144 $103,261,464 4,028 4/15 - 5 Zootopia BV $340,895,247 3,959 $75,063,401 3,827 3/4 - 6 Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice WB $330,360,194 4,256 $166,007,347 4,242 3/25 6/16 7 X-Men: Apocalypse Fox $154,204,477 4,153 $65,769,562 4,150 5/27 - 8 Kung Fu Panda 3 Fox $143,497,630 3,987 $41,282,042 3,955 1/29 - 9 The Angry Birds Movie Sony $105,936,416 3,932 $38,155,177 3,932 5/20 - 10 Central Intelligence WB (NL) $102,625,338 3,508 $35,535,250 3,508 6/17 - 11 The Conjuring 2 WB (NL) $98,153,332 3,356 $40,406,314 3,343 6/10 - when all is said and done (with more movies in the 275+ range and more movies in the sub 130 range with about three or four films in between).

Looks like I missed a doozy of a day. Skimmed the last few pages and I guess I missed a @Telemachos rant (been busy gaming all day ). But from I can gather, he's more right than wrong. Oh, I'm not going to comment on quality or appeal, as those are both subjective as all hell. But when it comes to variety of concepts and what Hollywood is pushing right now? Well, take a look at the Top 15 from 1991 to 2001 and compare it to the Top 15 for the last few years. There's been a tremendous homogenization in that time span, at least compared to then. Again, I'm not commenting on quality because of the subjectivity angle. But diversity? It's something I noticed when I was doing research on ID4's box office and its standing out even more as this year goes on. One of these days, I'll do an in-depth comparison of the Top Ten/Fifteen from 1987 to 2002 (or so haven't nailed down exactly the time frames I want to look at) and then compare that to 2011 to 2016. Perhaps also throw in budgets as well to show what studios were willing to risk money on. Just at a casual glance at those time frames I can see what Tele is going on about. Do I agree completely? Eh, not entierly. Mostly because this is kinda similar to the sequel madness that dominated so much of the 80s and the action films that also dominated that time frame. Different genres are on top, but homogenization and chasing the bottom is always a danger in Hollywood. Sooner or later the bottom will fall out on CBM and Animation films and the studios will go looking for something else. Might take a few studios with them, a few others might come out of nowhere to replace them. "All this has happened before, and all this will happen again" as a certain television show once put it. So, yes, lots of homogenization right now. Not as convinced it's going to be a permanent thing, as these things rarely are. The US is just too damn diverse and too large for any one cultural trend to stay on top for TOO long.

Nope, sorry. I was willing to do it up 'till I went to bed last night but this came in after I hit the snooze button. Maybe next time. edited To clairfy, I was going to accept a bet on my Pets one past the 7pm deadline as a one-off as a sort of make-do for Baumer allowing me to accept his bets last week. But there was no way in hell I was going to accept a different sub-80s Pets bet as I saw those tracking numbers come in. So a conditional bet like that I wouldn't have made in any circumstance last night.

Shame that A View to a Kill didn't make the list, but glad to see Goldfinger get as high as it did.

Looks good! Thanks for fixing it.

Good thing I checked on this. This is still wrong, @grey ghost. It should read: 79) BFG O/U 50% drop this weekend (July 8th-10th) (bet 75 points) (Porthos over) (ThatOneGuy under) 80) BFG O/U 50% drop this weekend (July 8th-10th) (bet 75 points) (WrathOfHan over) (ThatOneGuy under) That also means I have 75 points less at stake in the current master list (though I just made another 75 point bet so it washes out in the end ) edited The posts in question to make your bookkeeping easier.

I bet that Secret Lives of Pets OW DOM will be under Zootopia's OW DOM. Two people, 75 points.

Who-hoo! Top ten.

You fix this travesty of judgement right now!! NOW I SAY!!!! ==== Seriously though, Young Frankenstein is still to this day on of the funniest movies I have ever seen, regardless of the genre. That it actually manages to be a rather sweet and tender film underneath its laughs is a major accomplishment. That it is probably only second to Blazing Saddles when it comes to endless quotability for a Mel Brooks film? Well, that just seals the deal. I literally can not recommend this film enough. It does have a certain style, yes, that isn't to everyone's taste. But it might also be the most "serious" of the classic Mel Brooks comedies (outside of The Twelve Chairs, which is a really atypical Mel Brooks film no matter how one looks at it). YF is far more like The Producers than it is like the rest of Brooks output. But even The Producers doesn't quite fit as a comp. Plus it's got Gene Hackman in it (and no, I ain't telling you where )!

I'll take this as well, please.

I'll take it.

BFG says "Hi". No, I think something's going on here. Too early to say great WOM. But right of the gate it is holding its own which is better than was predicted.

Purge 3 just needs to not collapse on Sunday to pass Purge 2's OW. Using Rth's number it is already at 24.2 and just needs 5.6 on Sunday to pass Purge 2. That Tarzan number is looking pretty good as well once the budget is stripped out of the picture. It went UP from its 11.49 True Friday!

Dat Death Star shot!