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that could work if he is actually present to a degree but maybe not the most exposed villain. After the awards success Jokers enjoyed (Best Supporting, Best Actor), I think that WB is aware that the character is soemthign special and therefore must be played by special talents.

So Barry Keoghan Joker tease was for nothing? Hard to imagine they'll save him for movie 3.

I think that some expect Joker bump for TB 2 like TDK since he's the most popular of Bats villains. But that movie captured the zeitgeist beyind just Joker's presence plus there was Ledger's death so how much Joker alone proped it is hard to say. The character is wildly popular, though, since Phoenix version bcame first ever R movie to crack a billie. We'll see.

TFA notoriously skewed male over 35 and the same happened with Amazon's LOTR. Some IPs simply don't draw new generations and you can see why. If you grow up on GOT and then Euphoria, you won't care for IPs from your parents and grandparents era.

DP3 won't flop cause it will open big, too much curiosity over Reynolds-Jackman pairing will take care of that, but yes BTSV aka Spiderverse 3 will be among SH hits. BTSV, DP3, TB2, Jokka 2, SM 4 if ever made. The rest? Not likely by the look of slate on all sides of SH spectrum (Sony, MCU, DCEU).

I think there's a big difference. MCU produced over 20 movies from different IPs across over a decade before bombs started to happen. OTOH, SW just got a revival and then TLJ pretty harsh drop from TFA, divisive reaction that still rages, Solo undisputed bomb and TROS losing 50% of TFA audience must have come as a shock since they happenbed within 4 years of the re-launch. So they panicked and retreated to D+ where they had a cultural phenomenon Mando. In short, unlike MCU that took early risks which paid dividents, Lucasfilm shat its pants after the first setback and gave up. I mena, TFA was the safest most fanservice thing ever. They never took risks. Ever.

Directors were fired at the very end of shooting and then the new director practically shot the movie all over again, much bigger shoot than simple reshoots, to change the tone of the movie. So closer to 400M (300M+) sounds right.

Solo would have been a gigantic failure for the ages if Disney disclosed how much it really cost with all the reshoots they did. But they only reported 250M although industry estimated it was closer to 400M. EDIT: Yes, Madame Web will out-Morbius Morbius.

isn't that a good thing? people might hopefully fingers crossed forget about that show. Oh wait, there's Thunderbolts to remind them!

Solo would like a word.

I need WW opening under 162M cause that's Barbie's dom OW. For shits and giggles cause my Yes We KEN Club was ridiculed back in July 21 2021 that The Marvels OW >>> full Barbie run. How times have changed!

Yeah this is far from a shocker that was The Flash crumble unless WB was just pretending for months and months that they believed in that movie. The Marvels apathy was visible from miles away and pre sales only confirmed it, didn't discover fire.

yep, MCU had younger poeple on its side, SW doesn't. They are making a sequel to The Sequel Trilogy set 15 years after TROS where Rey is the Jedi master training a new female prodigy. Directed by Ms Marvel director who directed the show's worst episodes.

and they will look like even bigger fools if they don't cancel Rey Palpatine movie right this moment or The Marvels will look like Endgame compared to that bomb. There's a lot to take away from The Marvels that will apply to Rey Palp: women won't show up, men will dominate but in much smaller numbers than ever before and most will hate it, new foreign markets never took to SW like they did to MCU so it's a bust there, old markets didn't support Solo and pretty much supported ST cause of old cast since audience heavily skewed older. It's a flop of flops in making.

Uniornically, I think Feige is replaced by a Skrull.

It is the fault of whoever didn't wait to see how the show would be received before greenlighting this superbomb. Shows were still untested at that time especially as lead-ins to movies so they should have waited. I said in Cap 4 thread but turning movies into sequels to D+ shows was a giant mistake that they still can't shake off cause they greenlit a number of them.

Want to congratuate our tireless trackers on bang on job! As for Gen Z and Alpha, they will find their own heroes, not these hand-me-downs from Millenials. That's what studios don't get. Replacing old faves with younger versions is not going to appeal to next generation cause next generation needs its own heroes. And new versions of previous generation heroes are not their heroes.

Ah OK! that makes sense.

I think it applied only to WV cuase buildup seemed to lead to MOM and it turned out Strange was originally slated to show up in the finale. But I don't recall demands for other shows. I think that fans were more critical of Marvel's BS hype that shows need to be seen cause they connect with movies rather than that fans want such connection (and lately they are certainly against it).

No TV show, absolutely none, should have gotten a movie as its sequel. Completely idiotic idea. They should have made shows, if they wanted shows so badly, only with characters who would never get movies and be in movies. Like Agents of Shield minus Coulson. That kind of stuff. Instead, they created mess with interconnection that simply wasn't going to work, ever.

And The Marvels and over half of D+ shows but even so connecting shows and movies was a giant mistake. They made The Marvels a direct sequel to a fuckin TV show that flopped, small wonder the movie is flopping too. Whoever thought interconnection between movies and shows was a good idea should resign. It was a catastrophic strategic decision that they still cannot shake off cause big chunk of their upcoming slate is still full of TV connections and characters.

Yeha gotta give it to Flawrence he directed the shit out of Catching Fire. Bigger names wouldn't have done better.

No because TM started with 2 rotten aka 0% so it had to go up, while Balad started with 66% so it could go down. If anything is going to carry November it's gonna be Wish.

don't they always? that's worse than The Marvels and there's no way this is a worse movie than that. Like c'mon, Balad has some weight.

Voldemort says Ballad is tracking for 60M OW. Does that check with BOT tracking?