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That 70m rumor budget do sound quite low: https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-and-warner-bros-pictures-announce-upcoming-feature-oceans-8-starts-filming-new Apparently : https://variety.com/2018/film/news/oceans-8-economic-activity-new-york-1202838525/ 63m in direct spending cost in the state of New York alone. You have Los Angeles production cost, all the above the line cost, post-production, Montreal SFX, works, music rights etc.. If they ended up at only 70m net a movie line Annie had a 77m gross and a 68m net total cost from a 45m below the line, when that Ocean 8 movie below the line gross must be above 70 if not 75/80m and had quite the big producers/director/writer/assemble cast.

So if I go look for the Mamma Mia fanbase online osocial-media or in physical world toxic action's, I will be able to find it ? Are you sure of that ? Same if I look for all those Hercule Poirot fan's toxic action ? To be seen has a toxic fandom you need a significant amount of people (were you will find 10k-50k people that some weird petition and high volumes of insults) not just 5-6 extremist.

I think part is because so many action stars are older than him (they almost all are) and many media specially not specialized in this does not necessarily have a 3/4 movie plan in mind. Smith is 49, Statham is 52 and look like will be doing action franchise stuff for at least 10 year's, Dwayne Johnson is only 2 year's younger than Elba, Cruise is 56 and look like has easily an other 5 year's in him, Liam Neeson became an franchise movie action movie star at 57 with Taken and still going at 66, there is Denzel doing it at 63. Without even going into the Expendable gang territory. Movie going audience is getting older and older, specially for a Bond franchise and male lead are getting older and older. Younger one if the character is supposed to have gravitas, leadership and authority tend to be rejected by the audience (see Solo , Valerian and I imagine a bath of others) He would not be specially old for an lead male action movie even after 3 movie if he start at 50-51. I think one big issue is that chance are good that he would be extremely similar to Craig for a Bond, could be better to go for someone that is different like Craig was so different of Brosnan.

Well I could believe you on your words, but is that based on some solid experiment ? For example if we would go look at Mamma Mia or Nancy Myers fandom, how much of that we would see ? I doubt many critics giving rotten score to a Jurassic Park, Transformer or Twilight movie got many death threat.

What would they be ? Sex and the city 57m OW dbo My Big fat Greek Wedding 241m dbo Pretty Woman 432m WW (Maybe there is some foreign language one bigger there) Seem hard to beat, all of those.

I am a bit baffled by this, does anyone ever referred to Fallen Kingdom has not-dumb ? Even the biggest fans of the movie ?

The cost of next one matter a lot in the decision of making an other MEG, if they have a 130m sequel in mind than an easier green light that if it is a 190m like the rumored first one.

We will have a better idea around september, but up to january 31 2017 they had spent 66m pound (82.4m usd): https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10029281/filing-history It is an other case of director changed for a significant reshoot, once post production cost and so on get in would not surprise me if it end up 120-130m gross.

I think liberal progressive will be fine with Elba playing Bond if it happen. Maybe not if the movie is set in the 50s, 60s, but if set in 2020 not sure what could be the issue. People went nuts when Craigs was cast because he was blond, but I think now people are less strict in their vision, Craig having breaking the mold.

People are extremely sheepish yes, that why you see a virtuous circle around movie that are presented as winner and the other way around for movie that look like looser to people, I know people that mention how much a movie made at the box office while talking about going to watch it or not. I kid you not I went to see Jurassic World after the record breaking box office result to see what the buzz was about, I even did try to watch Transformer 4 and 5, didn't succeed but tried. Has someone that seem to watch all the Oscar/acclaimed movies just to be able to be fully equip to complain about them, you should understand that very well. Is it more sheeps to listen to critics or festival award body for an opinion, than friends that have seen it, to listen to the marketing of studios and watching only movie that paid a fortune and only if a large group of people also go to watch them. The most herds/tribe phenomenon is probably the movie franchise one, tapping in those animals instinct we have.

If the article saying it would be a pure we accept to distribute your movie for a fee deal..... that a weak couple.

I think they all did cover it: https://deadline.com/2018/08/ruby-rose-twitter-batwoman-backlash-lgbtq-inclusion-diversity-1202444418/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/batwoman-ruby-rose-backlash-1134200 https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/08/ruby-rose-quits-twitter-recast-batwoman https://variety.com/2018/digital/global/ruby-rose-batwoman-quits-twitter-following-trolling-1202902971/ How much more and for how long will depend on how many click it get, co-star reaction and their celebrity level, not having Star Wars in the title and star wars co-star reacting will probably mean much less coverage yes.

I did not clamore for Roseanne firing, I do not care that it is a cybernazis strange pro-rape dude that brought it up except for being a bit of bad effect to have give him so much publicity and had not been harassed on this forum. I am not a Gunn supporter either (in the sense who is the individual does not play in my judgment much, I do not care much for Gunns movies and a couple of movies is so irrelevant under the grand scheme to what is in play here)

Of the 7,000 voters not so many are connected to these films, same has for a voter being a specific studio employee (unlike the studio era, when the conversation was if 2 movie of the same studio is in BP they cannot win because of the vote split, a saying that was kept has a tradition until the late 70s at least)

With how little happened from Love, Simon A+ cinemascore, maybe those would have had little miss sunshine 60m type run today. Blind Side run can be a bit similar to a Hidden Figure. For the Miss Sunshine / Juno level of success is a bit more hard to find a direct comparable, Wonder maybe ? Or Silver Lining Playbook the most recent somewhat similar ? That said who would have predicted Oscar season breakout like a American Sniper could happen in 2014/15.

https://deadline.com/2018/08/the-meg-chomps-a-huge-4m-on-thursday-night-box-office-1202443644/ Screen Gems’ Slender Man is arriving in fourth place with a $11.8M opening after $4.8M yesterday at 2,358 theaters. We heard from a reliable source (not a rival) that the pic’s cost was around $28M after rebates before P&A; Sony contends that it’s around $10M, Quite the gap in the rumors.,

I would imagine it will have many world/climate present on the said planet if we are to spend 4 movie on it, like many movie on the planet earth cited as an example above.

https://www.imdb.com/search/title?title_type=feature&release_date=2017-01-01,2017-12-31&runtime=65,300 Over 7,000 feature film last year. How does WOM even start for 97% of them without an elite curator intervening at some moment to make them get out of lot and seen by anyone ? Cameron have hundreds of millions to make is movie and a studio having hundreds of millions spent shouting at us propaganda about being the best of the year's and obviously does not require anything more than those hundreds of millions to get seen and get WOM started. Without an elite gatekeeper/curator how does a small movie WOM start ? Who see it to start with if it is not seen at a festival or pick-up by a distributor ? At some point peoples that see a lot of movies not one has seen will pick and choose their favorite/best potential and recommend it to others, to get things going for them (once it happen it will get pick up for a festival, seen by distributor and so on).

From the sony leak, many movie with a 4-5m or less phase 1 budget get in the Oscar. 6m is even getting high for the studios one. Apparently the point of the creator was: Mayer commented on the creation of the awards "I found that the best way to handle [filmmakers] was to hang medals all over them ... If I got them cups and awards, they'd kill them to produce what I wanted. That's why the Academy Award was created And I think it is still the unofficial point of the thing (outside the fun & publicity), create an incentive to control what get made and efforts dedicated to it. At least from an movie going audience point of view, all that matter is if it push people at doing movie that would not exist otherwise, the rest is quite irrelevant and has no point to us.

Von Miller had an incredible game in SuperBowl 50.

Other than the already mentionned hardcore history podcast. BBC have some good one: https://www.historyextra.com/article-type/podcast/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01dh5yg/episodes/downloads

You do not need to get a wide release to be able to fail, failing at getting wide is often has bad has a failure that you can achieve. Achieving wide release is quite rare for the genre, most horror movie loose money without ever being seen by a regular paid customer in a theater. You get only a wide release usually if you have been selected among hundreds others has the one marketing/trailer work the best, even Blumhouse title sometime goes direct to video or are scratched, making their track record appear from the exterior to be much better than it is in reality. From this more elite subset: Arise from Darkness Jan 5, 2017 Indican Pictures Not Rated $6,112 $6,112 Tenemos La Carne Jan 13, 2017 Arrow Releasing Not Rated $8,438 $8,438 Attack of the Lederhosen Zombies Jan 13, 2017 Level 33 $0 $0 Pitchfork Jan 13, 2017 Uncork'd Entertainment Not Rated $0 $0 Split Jan 20, 2017 Universal PG-13 $138,141,585 $138,141,585 Rings Feb 3, 2017 Paramount Pictures PG-13 $27,793,018 $27,793,018 Don't Knock Twice Feb 3, 2017 IFC Midnight R $0 $0 Eloise Feb 3, 2017 Vertical Entertainment R $0 $0 Don’t Hang Up Feb 10, 2017 Vertical Entertainment R $0 $0 Havenhurst Feb 10, 2017 Brainstorm Media Not Rated $0 $0 Bornless Ones Feb 10, 2017 Uncork'd Entertainment $0 $0 XX Feb 17, 2017 Magnolia Pictures R $30,911 $30,911 Get Out Feb 24, 2017 Universal R $176,040,665 $176,040,665 The Girl with all the Gifts Feb 24, 2017 Saban Films R $0 $0 VooDoo Feb 24, 2017 Freestyle Releasing Not Rated $0 $0 Raw Mar 10, 2017 Focus World R $514,870 $514,870 The Belko Experiment Mar 17, 2017 BH Tilt R $10,166,820 $10,166,820 The Devil’s Candy Mar 17, 2017 IFC Midnight Not Rated $0 $0 The Dark Tapes Mar 17, 2017 Epic Pictures Group Not Rated $0 $0 Dig Two Graves Mar 24, 2017 Area 23a $0 $0 House on Willow Street Mar 24, 2017 IFC Films Not Rated $0 $0 The Blackcoat’s Daughter Mar 31, 2017 A24 R $20,435 $20,435 Here Alone Mar 31, 2017 Vertical Entertainment $0 $0 The Void Apr 7, 2017 Screen Media Films Not Rated $151,042 $151,042 Bethany Apr 7, 2017 Uncork'd Entertainment Not Rated $0 $0 7 Witches Apr 21, 2017 Indican Pictures Not Rated $31,100 $31,100 Rupture Apr 28, 2017 AMBI Not Rated $0 $0 A Dark Song Apr 28, 2017 IFC Midnight Not Rated $0 $0 The Black Room Apr 28, 2017 Cleopatra Films Not Rated $0 $0 Dead Awake May 12, 2017 FilmRise Not Rated $11,528 $11,528 Alien: Covenant May 19, 2017 20th Century Fox R $74,262,031 $74,262,031 Be Afraid Jun 1, 2017 Self Distributed Not Rated $0 $0 The Recall Jun 2, 2017 Freestyle Releasing R $22,233 $22,233 Dark Signal Jun 2, 2017 XLrator Media Not Rated $0 $0 Aaron’s Blood Jun 2, 2017 Gravitas Ventures Not Rated $0 $0 It Comes at Night Jun 9, 2017 A24 R $13,985,117 $13,985,117 Camera Obscura Jun 9, 2017 Chiller Films Not Rated $0 $0 Hack House Jun 14, 2017 Indie Rights $0 $0 47 Meters Down Jun 16, 2017 Entertainment Studi… PG-13 $44,307,193 $44,307,193 Jasmine Jun 16, 2017 Indican Pictures Not Rated $24,284 $24,284 The Bad Batch Jun 23, 2017 Neon R $180,851 $180,851 Blood Feast Jun 23, 2017 Crimson Forest Ente… R $8,708 $8,708 Darkness Rising Jun 30, 2017 IFC Midnight Not Rated $0 $0 Wish Upon Jul 14, 2017 Broad Green Pictures PG-13 $14,301,505 $14,301,505 The Gracefield Incident Jul 21, 2017 Parade Deck Films PG-13 $0 $0 Awaken the Shadowman Jul 21, 2017 Gravitas Ventures Not Rated $0 $0 Kuso Jul 21, 2017 Shudder Not Rated $0 $0 Annabelle: Creation Aug 11, 2017 Warner Bros. R $102,092,201 $102,092,201 Bedeviled Aug 11, 2017 Freestyle Releasing R $0 $0 Victor Crowley Aug 22, 2017 Dark Sky Films $0 $0 Red Christmas Aug 25, 2017 Artsploitation Not Rated $2,250 $2,250 Temple Sep 1, 2017 Screen Media Films $0 $0 Jackals Sep 1, 2017 Shout! Factory $0 $0 It Sep 8, 2017 Warner Bros. R $327,481,748 $327,481,748 Against the Night Sep 15, 2017 Gravitas Ventures $0 $0 Ryde Sep 15, 2017 Gravitas Ventures $0 $0 Welcome to Willits: After Sundown Sep 22, 2017 IFC Midnight Not Rated $0 $0 The Houses October Built 2 Sep 22, 2017 RLJ Entertainment Not Rated $0 $0 Scareycrows Sep 22, 2017 Indie Rights $0 $0 Hong Yi Xiao Nu Hai 2 Sep 22, 2017 Crimson Forest Ente… $0 $0 Jeepers Creepers 3 Sep 26, 2017 Fathom Events Not Rated $2,235,162 $2,235,162 Don’t Sleep Sep 29, 2017 Freestyle Releasing $0 $0 Better Watch Out Oct 6, 2017 Well Go USA R $20,369 $20,369 Dementia 13 Oct 6, 2017 Chiller Films $0 $0 Happy Death Day Oct 13, 2017 Universal PG-13 $55,683,845 $55,683,845 Bad Blood: The Movie Oct 13, 2017 Level 33 $0 $0 The Killing of a Sacred Deer Oct 20, 2017 A24 R $2,291,900 $2,291,900 Nightworld Oct 20, 2017 Gravitas Ventures $0 $0 Leatherface Oct 20, 2017 Lionsgate R $0 $0 Let Her Out Oct 20, 2017 TriCoast Worldwide $0 $0 Jigsaw Oct 27, 2017 Lionsgate R $38,052,832 $38,052,832 Halloween P*ssy Trap Kill! Kill! Oct 27, 2017 Cleopatra Films Not Rated $0 $0 Amityville: The Awakening Oct 28, 2017 Weinstein Co. PG-13 $742 $745 6:66 P.M. Nov 4, 2017 Indican Pictures Not Rated $0 $0 Slumber Dec 1, 2017 Vertical Entertainment R $0 $0 He’s Out There Dec 1, 2017 Sony Pictures R $0 $0 Psychopaths Dec 1, 2017 Samuel Goldwyn Films $0 $0 Alien Invasion: S.U.M.1 Dec 1, 2017 Gravitas Ventures $0 $0 Inoperable Dec 1, 2017 Zorya Films $0 $0 Psiconautas, los niños olvidados Dec 15, 2017 GKIDS Not Rated $38,785 $38,785 Those who reached a wide release (above 600) and had an hard time doubling their budget or making above 5m with a small one. Wish Upon Jeeper Creepers 3 (but that was a special case I think of a 2 weeks only special release) It Come at night Belko Experiment Disappointment room Green Room -------- That a really quick look, probably missing some. Slender Man is rumored to have cost 30m before P&A, it is one that will possibly fail.

Probably the vast majority of those 1,300 title did last year: https://www.imdb.com/search/title?title_type=feature&release_date=2017-01-01,2017-12-31&genres=horror&page=2&ref_=adv_nxt

True, the very first Oscar had that distinction. You had outstanding picture category and a best unique and artistic picture in a different category.