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From BOI's questions this week: Curious. I assume they're either referring to admissions or opening relative to contemporary market size.

Wow TFA still almost flat from Monday.

@lilmac Avatar's already been topped, even on the low end (DHD 3rd weekend report suggests average ticket price of almost $11.00, not sure how accurate that is). ESB/ROTJ first run (according to BOM anyway, about 78/80M tickets respectively) are pretty much topped as well. TPM 1st run (~85M tickets) will be topped with high 800M.

Pretty solid. Still flat from Monday.

Sure but the actual content of my post only dealt with the first quote (3D splits), the second quote with the >$13 was only included as a point of reference. If I add in that online fees are $1.50, I'd also have to include that not all of those polled were online booking, plus I'd have to include that the >$13 figure includes any premium format ticket that's even higher priced, its not an average. And that's all fine, but its irrelevant to my point of discussion, which was the 3D splits.

Yup. But even then, there will just as well be people who might be wary enough to answer "what did the ticket cost", not to mention that a good % of folks will not have booked online anyway. Another thing to keep in mind, it says >$13.00, not just average of $13.00, which means all the higher premium prices (up to low/mid 20s for D-Box, theater that I went to is selling standard 3D at $17.59 for TFA evening shows right now) would be included in there. Also, online booking fees for Fandango and MT are ~$1.50.

No since TPM. TPM sold ~85M tickets. For TFA to have passed that with $819.7M the average ticket price would have to have dropped down to $9.64. Given the 3D splits we got last week, that's pretty much impossible. Did you see this from last week when it passed Avatar? https://deadline.com/2016/01/star-wars-the-force-awakens-highest-grossing-film-domestic-box-office-record-beats-avatar-1201676602/ From DHD. So 45% + 12% IMAX (really 13% given the gross estimates we got over the weekend, plus it 45/42/12 adds up to 99%). On the OW we got a 3D split of 28% RealD, 7% PLF, and 12% IMAX. If we assume 7% PLF has held up, that would mean 38% RealD, 7% PLF, 13% IMAX. With those splits, TFA (~764M) has sold ~70.6M tickets, a record pace through 20/21 days (fastest to 70M before was TDK at 46/47 days). It will pass TDK (73.5M) and Avatar (75.5M) this weekend as it climbs over 800M. On the opening weekend, it was reported that 3D split in the following manner (28% RealD, 12% IMAX, 7% PLF, 47% Total), average ticket price comes out to around $10.35-$10.40. However, that first report above suggests an average price on the high end of $10.00. Even if I assume that DHD made a mistake, say they meant to write 35% RealD, not 45%, that would mean that (28% RealD + 7% PLF) the 3D share has not fallen from OW, in fact if you account for the increase in IMAX share (108.7M IMAX gross as of 4th weekend, which was 13.4% of its Sunday cumulative), the average ticket price still comes out around the same as OW. Which means that through Tuesday its at around 79M tickets sold, and will top 80M by Friday and will match/top TPM by next weekend.

The hell is this

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Pretty great for both.

Sisters has had a monster run. Will clear 75M by Sunday/Monday and 85M next Monday. 100M+ total off a 12M OW.

There's an audience, but its tough. There regions where film is far more ingrained into general culture than it is here (India produces 3x more films and sells ~twice as many tickets as Hollywood). Each regional industry has a highly distinct audience base with different tastes. For a long time, a huge part of the appeal of Hindi cinema (Bollywood) hasn't been narrative/storytelling, rather its been a focus on emotion/nostalgia and spectacle. Hence the formulaic films, a large % of audiences enjoy watching the same/similar story told and treated in different ways a thousand times. Its why pulp/masala films with the same basic plot structure, with nationalistic undertones, and covering a wide base of genres can be churned out to a profit year after year. Just works on multiple levels. Hell even our audiences ate it up back in 08/09 with Slumdog. I see one post on how they're mundane and boring, but I've spent ages reading and observing the breadth of appeal of the same works. Obviously, there's a niche for more world-cinema/westernized films but even that falls on a sliding scale. There are films that could just as well have been made in Hollywood, just in Hindi, and there are films that retain a certain Indian flavor while still matching up to a certain world-caliber. I don't think there's any sweet spot here in terms of goodness, but I can tell you with confidence which would have more appeal with the local audience. That said, there's absolutely a growing audience for the former. Gets even more complicated when you inspect the regional industries. I'm most familiar with the Punjabi film industry (which has been booming as of late - last 6 years), and they've basically gone into overdrive in making multi-starrer comedies with the same 3 comedic actors + actor/singer in the lead role, with some sort of wedding hijinks + trip to London/Canada. OW and gross records are broken twice a year with this basic formula, I wouldn't be able to tell a single film apart.

Crazy for Revenant. Low 40M pace for TFA.

Also here's a few notes on the sound from cinematreasures

Pretty solid. They're playing it in auditorium 8, which is a 215 seater (they've got 2 halls with 300 seats both playing TFA). Front 3 rows are 19 seats, curved like Tysons and are actually adequately distanced from the screen. Surround setup seemed fine, ambient sounds seemed they were coming from where they should have. Woofer's a bit weak but no complaints. Apparently they have a 35mm projector wonder when they pull that out. They had Battle Royale listed but none of the screens were playing it today.

NOVA/DC friends - who's been to Angelika in Fairfax? Planning on seeing this there tomorrow, how's the sound setup?

NOVA/DC friends - who's been to Angelika in Fairfax? Planning on seeing Revenant there tomorrow, how's the sound setup?

Well you don't need as many 3D shows in order to get a high 3D share. Remember its a gross share, not a attendance share. So 1M 2D tickets at $5 and 1M 3D tickets at $7.50 is $12.5M gross. $7.5M of that is from 3D so the 3D share is 60%, even though only 50% of the tickets were 3D. Now consider that PLF is being lumped in there, and those have an even higher price hike than standard 3D. On OW it was reported that the 3D share was 47% (28% RealD, 7% PLF, 12% IMAX). Now its getting reported at 57% (45% RealD/PLF, 12% IMAX). One of those numbers has to be wrong. Mathematically it works, but practically speaking it doesn't - the overall 3D share would have had to jump up to 62% after OW, which doesn't seem very likely.

More from DHD:

From DHD. So 45% + 12% IMAX (really 13% given the gross estimates we got over the weekend, plus it 45/42/12 adds up to 99%). On the OW we got a 3D split of 28% RealD, 7% PLF, and 12% IMAX. If we assume 7% PLF has held up, that would mean 38% RealD, 7% PLF, 13% IMAX. With those splits, TFA (~764M) has sold ~70.6M tickets, a record pace through 20/21 days (fastest to 70M before was TDK at 46/47 days). It will pass TDK (73.5M) and Avatar (75.5M) this weekend as it climbs over 800M.

No Tuesday numbers for Sherlock: The Abominable Bride. It played Wednesday in the US as well, maybe we'll get something for both days today.

Yeah but that's no excuse for ignoring the numbers. We can apply context to admissions just as we do with gross numbers.

That is extracted by estimating attendance of its various re-releases, by dividing gross in each calendar year of release by estimated average ticket price in said year.

Yes, but BOM does not account for the individual 3D shares of each film, rather it just uses the yearly average (which is unknown but given the plurality of 2D films within a single year, BOM's average price probably assumes ~10% 3D share for EVERY film, regardless of whether it even has 3D). For example, Avatar actually sold 75-76M tickets. TFA is currently around 73-74M. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2667&p=.htm Here's Avatar when it crossed Titanic's 600M for reference. Right around 60M tickets, as it was selling at about $10 per ticket. TFA has a MUCH lower 3D share (47% on OW including IMAX and PLF), so even with 6 years of inflation, its average ticket price is not much higher (about $10.37 on OW).