Baumer's ridiculous, uninformed, stupid list of MY BEST 105 FILMS EVER , FULL LIST PG 42

[Jessie]

It has nothing to do with the characters being immoral, it is the immoral ways in which the film is written, directed and (most importantly) shot. It doesn't matter how nasty the characters are, that's no excuse to have an upskirt shot of a dead woman with implants being comically dismembered.

 

I haven't seen Godfather or Goodfellas but I don't see why I would dislike them. The reasons why I think Wolf of Wall Street is bad is not because the characters are immoral. Hell, Downfall is one of my favourite films of the past 10 years and that had me sympathising with Adolf Hitler. I can deal with immoral characters; immoral filmmaking is quite another matter.

 

Btw I don't "hate" WOWS. I think it's a bad film but I don't hate it.

 

 

Have you watched Team America? There's a whole song about how shit Michael Bay is. His movies have almost all gotten bad reviews and he has a reputation of one of the worst directors in Hollywood, by critics and moviegoers alike.

Lol using matt stone and trey Parker to justify your point. Those guys slate anyone and everyone.

[Kalo]

What it really comes down to is how you personally judge a film. You probably don't take issue with all the same things in a movie as I do.

 

Pain & Gain is outrageously, disgustingly offensive; it's a morally corrupt piece of trash. It's so offensive that it is the only movie I've ever seen that I feel deserves negative scoring. Michael Bay is such a horrifying filmmaker. I don't find it to be the worst film ever because of the acting, or the lack of character development or whatever (though all the film's elements are rubbish). I find it to be the worst because of how all its features culminate in the creating the most grossly despicable, evil, horrible film I've watched. 

 

Maybe that doesn't matter as much to you, but it does to me. The lack of respect Michael Bay had for the real victims of the story, as well as any human being with a heart, is awful. 

I kind of felt that way about Goodfellas, yes the acting is fantastic and the direction is pretty good, but to me it felt like it was glorifying the lifestyle of the mafia. at least to an extent, and I don't find crazy people killing innocent people for no reason funny at all. and the what they got away with was just sick. it just felt really messed up to me and I found it offensive and it's one of my most hated films of all time. I mean I don't have a problem with films focusing on bad guys, I actually loved The Godfather. but the way Goodfellas was written, directed and shot felt really demented to me. 

Edited March 4, 2015 by Kalo

[Dementeleus]

How is it glorifying the lifestyle when everyone involved either was killed, went to prison for life, or had to give up everything that made life fun, meaningful, and interesting? Depiction doesn't mean endorsement. 

[Noctis]

53) The Perks of Being a Wallflower (2012)

Stephen Chbosky

 

Beautifully written, expertly acted, directed well, and perfectly designed, this movie succeeds on all levels. And not just as a high school movie, but as one about human beings. 

 

"We accept the love we think we deserve."  A line with meaning.

 

 

The performances hit every note perfectly.  Even the shop teacher, as played by make-up artist Tom Savini, who appears at number in Friday the 13th, wonderful in here.  Emma Watson broke my heart a few times, Ezra Miller made me laugh and feel sadness and Logan Lerman was a revelation.  

The clichéd issues and scenarios that inevitably come with a high school film are handled with such humanity and honesty that they become authentic. There are hilarious moments and heartbreaking ones and your emotions go on a roller coaster ride that is synonymous with high school itself. Instead of the usual cringe-worthy sentimentality, you feel something for the 3 dimensional characters simply because it is all so real. 

 

During one of the best scenes, the main character Charlie says "I feel infinite." This movie is infinite because it can appeal to more than just high

school students. The core themes and conflicts are all humane that just happen to be set in a high school.

 

Years from now, this might be higher on my list.

 

Trivia:  Emma Watson has admitted that she refuses to watch her kissing scenes or The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975) scene.

 

John Hughes originally bought the film rights with the intention to write and direct. He intended to make the film as more of a dark comedy with Shia LaBeouf set to play Charlie, Kirsten Dunst slated to play Sam and Patrick Fugit cast as Patrick. Hughes sudden death stalled the project, as he'd not completed a script before his passing. This allowed the film to be revived as an independent movie with novelist Stephen Chboskyreturning to script & direct.

 

 

[Avatree]

 

If any other directors had made Pain and gain just the way it is, no-one would be calling it offensive. It's based on a real life story which happens to be offensive lol, instead bay get more hate.

Well it doesn't help that Michael Bay has plenty of offensive material in his other films, so in that sense, yeah I agree. But at the end of the day, I would certainly be saying the same thing. I watched Kingsman today and thought it was far too offensive, and that wasn't directed by Michael Bay.

 

Lol using matt stone and trey Parker to justify your point. Those guys slate anyone and everyone.

I know, I'm just trying to say that I am not the only person who dislikes Bay.

[Kalo]

How is it glorifying the lifestyle when everyone involved either was killed, went to prison for life, or had to give up everything that made life fun, meaningful, and interesting? Depiction doesn't mean endorsement. 

That's just how it felt to me when I watched it. maybe if I watched it again I wouldn't feel quite the same way.. but i don't know if I could ever bring myself to watch it again.

Edited March 4, 2015 by Kalo

[Dementeleus]

Life's too short to get offended by movies (or any other art, for that matter). If certain directors, writers, painters, whoever bother you... just avoid their stuff!

[Avatree]

Life's too short to get offended by movies (or any other art, for that matter). If certain directors, writers, painters, whoever bother you... just avoid their stuff!

Naaaah, I think it's important to watch a range of movies, including ones from people you don't like. Or at least, I personally like to!

 

Which kinda goes back to Ethan's claim that I have a vendetta against Michael Bay. I try to go into his movies with an open mind - every time I see a new one, I'm aware that I probably won't like it, but I hope for it to change my mind about him. Every year the same thing happens, but hey. Maybe I'll like one of his films one of these days.

 

 

That might just be me though, others are free to just watch movies for their own enjoyment. Admittedly I'm interested in entering the film industry. Before I got kicked out of college, I was doing a qualification in which I was analysing box office data; I took a short day course in journalism at the Guardian last summer, and I will soon be getting a half hour slot on my local radio station to host a film discussion show.

[The Futurist]

How is it glorifying the lifestyle when everyone involved either was killed, went to prison for life, or had to give up everything that made life fun, meaningful, and interesting? Depiction doesn't mean endorsement. 

 

Still, the mafia guys are "the heroes" in Scorcese's movies you cannot deny that, they are a male fantasy : they are well dressed, they are clever & cunning, have a big mouth, they elaborate intricate plans to win money or rob somebody, they get beautiful ladies and have no morals. Even if we see their downfall, people loooove what happened before it.

How many teenagers had the posters of Scorcese, De Palma and Coppola mafia movies in their bedrooms ?

 

Tons and tons all over the world.

 

I remember when I was in New York, there was a shop that was selling tons of beautiful black and white pictures of all these movies' "heroes" ...

Edited March 4, 2015 by A Grey Future

[Dementeleus]

Yes, but it's foolish (and pointless) to somehow imagine crimes are only committed by stupid, ugly people. Movies aren't beholden to the Hayes Code anymore.

[Noctis]

Can we just praise Perks some more?

[Kalo]

Yay Baumer is back! 

[baumer]

Yep, so many movies to discuss here and you guys are stuck on Michael Bay.

[Kalo]

Yep, so many movies to discuss here and you guys are stuck on Michael Bay.

We were discussing the morality of Goodfellas actually or lack thereof imo. but enough of that.

Edited March 4, 2015 by Kalo

[Dementeleus]

This seems appropriate:

 

[The Futurist]

I wanted to add that John Barry( died recently   ) s soundtrack for Dances with Wolves is absolutely phenomenal, a true masterpiece.

 

If you are a soundtrack fan, check it out, there is not one dull momentt in it, incredible & memorable melodies, great moods and all.

[baumer]

Yay Baumer is back! 

 

It snowed and rained here today.  

I got my car stuck in a snow bank.  Three people shoveled me out.  They helped me out massively.  If I had missed my shift this afternoon, it's a black mark against me at work.  I'm not full time yet so every indiscretion you commit is held against you.  So by them helping me out, it was a huge, massive big deal.

I bought each of them a gift certificate to the Keg, which is a fine dining establishment in Canada.

 

Stressful on the bus today too, lots of angry people because all the buses were late by 30-60 minutes.  

 

Glad to be home...here in front of the computer.......now on with the countdown.

 

[baumer]

49) The Departed (2006)

Martin Scorsese

 

 

Martin Scorsese's crime thriller "The Departed" doesn't look like the typical Scorsese crime thriller because virtually everybody in it hasn't worked with him. This brilliant multi-faceted melodrama about the tooth and nail struggle to jail a well-known criminal boasts several surprises, primarily at the end and a number of sensational performances, with Jack Nicholson ably cast as Boston crime boss Frank Costello taking top honors. DeCaprio is cast as an undercover cop straight out of the academy who joins Costello's mob, while Costello grooms Matt Damon as his snitch inside the department. This cat & mouse thriller will keep you on the edge of your seat as one mole in the mob circles another mole in the police, and Scorsese and scenarist William Monahan patiently construct this elaborate complex thriller without wearing out their welcome. A must-see for die-hard Scorsese fans as much as crime movie fanatics!

 

 

"I'm the guy doing his job, you must be the other guy."

 

Trivia:  The scene where Frank Costello throws cocaine on hookers was one of many bizarre ideas contributed by Jack Nicholson, who also suggested wearing a strap-on for the scene with Matt Damon in the porn theater.

 

A possible reason why Leonardo DiCaprio did not receive an Oscar nomination for his performance in this movie was because the Warner Bros. Studios initially did not want to favor DiCaprio over his co-stars and place him in the leading actor category. The studio favored DiCaprio's leading performance in Blood Diamond (2006) (which eventually got him a nomination). DiCaprio himself refused to campaign against his male co-stars in the supporting actor category, so Warner bought no supporting actor ads for DiCaprio, and he did not receive a nomination.

[baumer]

Internet just went out.

[baumer]

48) Forrest Gump (1994)

Robert Zemekis

 

"Forrest Gump" is a classic masterpiece in which Tom Hanks acted out one of the most iconic roles for any film in any era.  Robert Zemekis has almost never been better and the story is something of legend.  

Here we have the fabulous "fictional biography" of the unforgettable Forrest Gump, who has the IQ of 85 but manages to do more with what he has than most could ever hope to do with much more going for them.   We follow his story since his adolescence to adulthood, having the chance to be part of various historical moments in American history, giving him the chance to meet Elvis, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, John Lennon. and so on.  It's a funny yet inspiring story.

 

 

Eric Roth wrote Forrest Gump twice (the other being Benjamin Button) but only got it right once, thankfully it was this film.  He gave the actors a lot of great material to work with.  Lieutenant Dan's angry outburst from the crow's nest, as he shakes his fist at God during the hurricane that will eventually make him and Gump millionaires, is unquestionably my favourite part of the film.  Forrest Gump was a deserving winner of best picture and all the other accolades it received.  It gets a lot of hate on the internet but it's a sweet story with actors at the top of their game, delivering performances that have and will continue to stand the test of time.  Gump is a true classic.

 

Trivia:

 

When Forrest first learns to play ping-pong in the infirmary, he is told the trick is to "keep his eye on the ball" by another soldier. After that moment, whenever he is shown playing ping-pong, he never blinks.

 

Tom Hanks wasn't paid for the film. Instead he took percentage points which ultimately netted him in the region of $40 million