lucasbenica Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Percentage penalty was replaced by the active %, wasnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ-8 Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 Release Schedule Red Highlight is fully invested and no longer available unless a player decides to sell part of or all their portion. Available for Investment Budget Source / Comments May 2016 Friday 6 New in Theatres Budget %Avail Theatres Captain America: Civil War $200m 0% Wide TWS budget 170m… add in IM and yeah… Not Available (Available 1 month prior to Release) Budget Source / Comments May 2016 Friday 13 New in Theatres Budget %Avail Theatres The Darkness $5m 200% Wide Blumhouse microbudget thriller Kidnap (2015) $21m 200% Wide Wikipedia Money Monster $30m 200% Wide Wikipedia Friday 20 New in Theatres Budget %Avail Theatres The Angry Birds Movie $80m 300% Wide Wikipedia Neighbors 2: Sorority Rising $40m 300% Wide Wikipedia The Nice Guys $30m 200% Wide Comedy Estimate Friday 27 New in Theatres Budget %Avail Theatres Alice Through the Looking Glass $200m 300% Wide AIW budget 150m+ X-Men: Apocalypse $200m 300% Wide DOFP budget 200m 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ-8 Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 Movie Investments - 2016 Investor Classification / Time % invested $ Spent $ Earnt % Gain Captain America: Civil War Movie Budget: $200,000,000 % Available: 0% Release Date: 6-May-2016 INVESTMENT 300% 1 Grey Ghost 06-Apr-16 85% $170,000,000 $0 -100.0% CJohn 06-Apr-16 100% $200,000,000 $0 -100.0% BourneFan #1 06-Apr-16 60% $120,000,000 $0 -100.0% Simionski 06-Apr-16 55% $110,000,000 $0 -100.0% 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Two moves: #1 - I'm dumping 50% of Deadpool, bringing me to 295% #2 - I'm buying 100% of The Darkness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasmmi Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 The Darkness 50% 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) I'll take 50% Darkness Edited April 13, 2016 by The Panda Knight 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey ghost Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 12 hours ago, Wrath said: Two moves: #1 - I'm dumping 50% of Deadpool, bringing me to 295% #2 - I'm buying 100% of The Darkness I don't think we're allowed to "dump" movies that have been released already. I was planning to do it myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) I thought it was just that you can't *sell* movies that have already been released. Lets check. Edit - Ok, I just checked the rules. Once a movie is released, you definitely can't sell it. However, that's in a different section from what happens if you cancel an investment. In the section about canceling investments, it doesn't say anything about not being able to cancel investments after a movie opens. It just says that if there's less than a week to go before it opens (which presumably would include after the movie opens) you get nothing back and thus "should" keep your investment. Not that you *have* to. Edited April 13, 2016 by Wrath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucasbenica Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 If that happens, then the active percentage rule will serve no purpose. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 On 4/13/2016 at 3:36 PM, Wrath said: I thought it was just that you can't *sell* movies that have already been released. Lets check. Edit - Ok, I just checked the rules. Once a movie is released, you definitely can't sell it. However, that's in a different section from what happens if you cancel an investment. In the section about canceling investments, it doesn't say anything about not being able to cancel investments after a movie opens. It just says that if there's less than a week to go before it opens (which presumably would include after the movie opens) you get nothing back and thus "should" keep your investment. Not that you *have* to. In that way you also lose any money your movie did. It doesn't make any sense to allow such a thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 (edited) 20 hours ago, lucasbenica said: If that happens, then the active percentage rule will serve no purpose. Sure it would. If I ditch a movie, its no longer active. I paid my initial investment, I got whatever money I may have gotten, and then its inactive at least up to whatever %. And the rules don't say that I can go get it back if I change my mind later. I'm just doing the mental math and deciding that The Darkness is likely to net more money than 50% of Deadpool is likely to make for the rest of the run. When a movie drops under 600 theaters you don't have to give your income back. In that way its really no different than a theater releasing a movie that stops doing well enough to justify the opportunity cost of the used screens, like, say The Masked Saint, and pulling it. The cost is sunk, you've got whatever money you've made, and that's the end of the story. Or, 50% of the story, in this case. Edit - That's what the rules say, anyway, though if JJ says I'm wrong then that's how it is. I'm surprised this has never come up before. With the way the rules were written previously, managing your investment % must have been a pretty big deal. Potentially using this to get out of % would have been attractive. Edit2 - Also, back to the "no purpose" thing. Its still costing me money to invest in other stuff. I'd guess DP has maybe ~5M to go on its total run. DP will probably be under 600 theaters in a couple weeks. The Active 300% rule is basically making me pay (in the sense of lost income) 2.5M to get out of 50% of a movie a couple weeks early. That's certainly a penalty, and its only that low because of my specific combination of investments and because I'm not much over the cap. Starting tomorrow, I'll be at 500+% and getting below 300% would be WAY, WAY more expensive in terms of lost revenue. Which would make sense since I'd be way over the cap. Plus, lucasbenica is already well over 500% because of how he timed his investments, and I will be tomorrow as well. This really isn't all that different. Edited April 14, 2016 by Wrath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BourneFan #1 Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 It's just a game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted April 15, 2016 Share Posted April 15, 2016 11 hours ago, BourneFan #1 said: It's just a game. Oh, sure! To clarify, I'm enthusiastic on this point, not angry or upset. If JJ says I'm wrong on the rules, or even that I'm right but its a pain the ass for him because of how the spreadsheet works, then I won't argue. I mean, even if I'm right my best case scenario is probably a 5m net gain. The stakes are pretty low, which I figured would be the best place to try a test case ;). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ-8 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 On 14 April 2016 at 6:30 AM, Wrath said: Sure it would. If I ditch a movie, its no longer active. I paid my initial investment, I got whatever money I may have gotten, and then its inactive at least up to whatever %. And the rules don't say that I can go get it back if I change my mind later. I'm just doing the mental math and deciding that The Darkness is likely to net more money than 50% of Deadpool is likely to make for the rest of the run. When a movie drops under 600 theaters you don't have to give your income back. In that way its really no different than a theater releasing a movie that stops doing well enough to justify the opportunity cost of the used screens, like, say The Masked Saint, and pulling it. The cost is sunk, you've got whatever money you've made, and that's the end of the story. Or, 50% of the story, in this case. Edit - That's what the rules say, anyway, though if JJ says I'm wrong then that's how it is. I'm surprised this has never come up before. With the way the rules were written previously, managing your investment % must have been a pretty big deal. Potentially using this to get out of % would have been attractive. Edit2 - Also, back to the "no purpose" thing. Its still costing me money to invest in other stuff. I'd guess DP has maybe ~5M to go on its total run. DP will probably be under 600 theaters in a couple weeks. The Active 300% rule is basically making me pay (in the sense of lost income) 2.5M to get out of 50% of a movie a couple weeks early. That's certainly a penalty, and its only that low because of my specific combination of investments and because I'm not much over the cap. Starting tomorrow, I'll be at 500+% and getting below 300% would be WAY, WAY more expensive in terms of lost revenue. Which would make sense since I'd be way over the cap. Plus, lucasbenica is already well over 500% because of how he timed his investments, and I will be tomorrow as well. This really isn't all that different. the intention of the rules is once a movie is released the money is spent, so u get all grosses. You can't on sell or cancel a release once it's released. That was always the intention. if we allowed such a thing it would be like studios are ripping a movie out of cinemas early. And defeats the purpose of the active rule. It's intended to slow investment down. Yes u can choose as both yourself and Lucas and go way over. But now your over u have to wait. Deadpool will start drop screens more and more. Tbh this makes the game strategic. Timing your investments well. Most films will dip under 600 in 4-6 weeks. Deadpool zootopia are the exceptions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 1 hour ago, JJ-8 said: the intention of the rules is once a movie is released the money is spent, so u get all grosses. You can't on sell or cancel a release once it's released. That was always the intention. if we allowed such a thing it would be like studios are ripping a movie out of cinemas early. And defeats the purpose of the active rule. It's intended to slow investment down. Yes u can choose as both yourself and Lucas and go way over. But now your over u have to wait. Deadpool will start drop screens more and more. Tbh this makes the game strategic. Timing your investments well. Most films will dip under 600 in 4-6 weeks. Deadpool zootopia are the exceptions. Alright, that's fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ-8 Posted April 17, 2016 Author Share Posted April 17, 2016 12 minutes ago, Wrath said: Alright, that's fine. Deadpool will be under 600 as of next week if say anyway for example. And I think that will be extreme. Dont forget this replaced the hard rule of 1500% which I think you would have passed already 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, JJ-8 said: Deadpool will be under 600 as of next week if say anyway for example. And I think that will be extreme. Dont forget this replaced the hard rule of 1500% which I think you would have passed already Yep, I know. I was trying to squeeze it in last week, because after this weekend it'll be a while before I'm under 300% again. I mean, sure, I'd like to have had this go my way, but the stakes are pretty low so its not a big deal that it didn't. Edit - As a word of warning, deciding things this way is strongly encouraging me to go out and buy 20% of everything that moves :). Edited April 18, 2016 by Wrath 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ-8 Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Wrath said: Yep, I know. I was trying to squeeze it in last week, because after this weekend it'll be a while before I'm under 300% again. I mean, sure, I'd like to have had this go my way, but the stakes are pretty low so its not a big deal that it didn't. Edit - As a word of warning, deciding things this way is strongly encouraging me to go out and buy 20% of everything that moves :). Which in turn means more movie % is available to everyone else... I believe the rule works. Don't forget u will getting lots of $ from the investments. The rule drives smart investments. Not the old lets invest in everything..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ-8 Posted April 19, 2016 Author Share Posted April 19, 2016 On 4/13/2016 at 11:34 AM, Wrath said: Two moves: #1 - I'm dumping 50% of Deadpool, bringing me to 295% #2 - I'm buying 100% of The Darkness Can't accept either (as per out discussion above) ... so yeah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...