miketheavenger Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 2nd trend: Suicide Squad: 550k Pets: 250k (-31%) Jason Bourne: 150k (-47%) Conni & Co: 100k Schweinskopf: 65k Ice Age 5: 45k 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 seem like an overall depressed weekend, with the big drops all around ... in this context, good opening for SS even if everybody was hoping for higher numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) FFA numbers are in! And they are depressing too... 57,5M admissions for the first half of the year is the 3rd lowest since 1992 (only 2014 (56,2M) and 1992 (49,2M) are worse. It's down 14% (9,3M admissions) from last year. In € it's down 11,4% to €482,7M (which is in fact the 3rd best since 1992) The ticket price, again, rose and is now up to €8,40... (last year 8,16€) that's 9,51$ and so much lower than two years ago - XR is a shame but 1€ = 1,13$ is better than it was sometimes... 3D share was 22% (the second highest since 2010). That's up from 15,7% last year. And that helped ticket prices to rise that much. German movies made about 15,5M admissions (26,6%, about the same as last year) which is a good result. SW is with 3,4M admissions still the second most attended this year (after Zoo's 3,7M) A good thing is the development of cinemas and screens. While there are two towns less that have a cinema, the total amount is up the 3rd time to 1.640 with 4.693 screens (the highest since 8 years). We can only hope that business will pick up the second half - and there movies that have potential. So lets wait All data from InsideKino and FFA. Edited August 20, 2016 by Aristis 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketheavenger Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 The second half should be pretty strong though with Finding Dory, Fantastic Beats and Rogue One. If those titles meet expectations, this year should at least finish ahead of 2014. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 Final estimates lower for SS, a bit up for most other releases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 @IndustriousAngel do you have admissions figures for OW/Total for the Harry Potter series? I am curious what FB will do since Germany was always in Top 3 OS markets for HP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 The third trend – not very interesting but most of the films increased: #1 SQ 525k #2 Pets 275k #3 Jason Bourne 160k #4 Conni & Co 100k #5 Schweinskopf 67.5k #6 IA5 55k #7 Lights Out 47.5k #8 TMNT2 47.5k #9 Captain Fantastic 47.5k #10 Star Trek Beyond 42.5k #11 Me Before You 35k #12 GB 30k So only the prediction for SQ decreased a little bit but maybe it will be better again tomorrow because at least here in Bavaria the weather is mixed at best and now it starts to rain too. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 3 hours ago, James said: @IndustriousAngel do you have admissions figures for OW/Total for the Harry Potter series? I am curious what FB will do since Germany was always in Top 3 OS markets for HP. For admissions you have to use insidekino.de, here you'll find at least the data for six parts, for instance part 1: http://www.insidekino.de/J/JHarryPotter.htm (mind, admissions is counted per whole weeks, not weekend) The German and Austrian numbers in US$ should be availyble on boxofficemojo, for instance part 1: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=DE&id=harrypotter.htm Yes, I'm curious too, but I doubt that it'll come anywhere near HP numbers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 14 minutes ago, IndustriousAngel said: For admissions you have to use insidekino.de, here you'll find at least the data for six parts, for instance part 1: http://www.insidekino.de/J/JHarryPotter.htm (mind, admissions is counted per whole weeks, not weekend) The German and Austrian numbers in US$ should be availyble on boxofficemojo, for instance part 1: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=DE&id=harrypotter.htm Yes, I'm curious too, but I doubt that it'll come anywhere near HP numbers Thank you! So I guess 2m admissions for the first week is too much to hope for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 hour ago, James said: Thank you! So I guess 2m admissions for the first week is too much to hope for. Wow, 2mil would be absolutely mindboggling. I can't even see 1mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 18 minutes ago, IndustriousAngel said: Wow, 2mil would be absolutely mindboggling. I can't even see 1mil. From what I see from the chart the lowest Potter opening week from the first 5 movies (that have figures) is HP5 with 2.4m, without previews. 1m first week would be a 40% retention rate, which is pretty dismal no? With such an opening is it even possible to make 30m in Germany? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted August 21, 2016 Author Share Posted August 21, 2016 Well, maybe I'm wrong and frankly I don't know the books, but this is not Harry Potter but a spinoff and marketing doesn't seem strong atm AND the last entry is a few years back, fads change quickly with them young ones. I can readily see a nice total (even 5-6mil admissions if the movie is really good; with super legs it might carry over into christmas business) but not a giant opening weekend because of the missing rush factor. (just my opinion of course. Seeing most things from the theater's perspective, I'd find a >1mil opening weekend extremely nice, but I don't believe in it) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HH84 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 2 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said: Well, maybe I'm wrong and frankly I don't know the books, but this is not Harry Potter but a spinoff and marketing doesn't seem strong atm AND the last entry is a few years back, fads change quickly with them young ones. I can readily see a nice total (even 5-6mil admissions if the movie is really good; with super legs it might carry over into christmas business) but not a giant opening weekend because of the missing rush factor. (just my opinion of course. Seeing most things from the theater's perspective, I'd find a >1mil opening weekend extremely nice, but I don't believe in it) I think FB will behave similar to the last Panem movies. A bit over 1M on opening weeknd and final admission at around 4M. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giesi Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 8 hours ago, James said: @IndustriousAngel do you have admissions figures for OW/Total for the Harry Potter series? I am curious what FB will do since Germany was always in Top 3 OS markets for HP. http://www.insidekino.de/Y/YDuellHarryVsHarry.htm#DUELL_DEUTSCHLAND_ That's the best chart you can find, I guess. HP was really a fucking beast in my country! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinaTakla Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Final trend for the week: The first estimates show Suicide Squad with about 570K visitors to Sunday, the no. 1 position and thus starts 10% below BvS (630,432 visitors iP) five months ago. The pure weekend means the sixth best start of the year. Silver medal went to Pets , which numbered about 305K visitors on the fourth weekend. With a total of about 2.67 million visitors in 25 days moved the animated movie Ice Age - collision ahead! (About 70K and 2.66 million total) over. The top five are filled by Jason Bourne (about 175K) Connie & Co (about 115K to Sunday) and pig's head al Dente(about 85K). Very good off the mark is still Captain Fantastic - Once wilderness and back ., who until Sunday had over 50T visitors in less than 100 theaters , the Top Ten escalated over the previous week to about 12%, over the same weekend 34 last year , when mission: Impossible V with 139,958 visitors on the third weekend has led the charts, it went up by about 124%. INSIDE KINO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) Well, the rainy weather showed what it can do in Germany All movies are up from yesterdays estimates and some had really good holds! Suicide Suads 570k (the best estimate it had yet) is down 60k from BvS (with previews) which is a good result. 500k for the weekend are the sixth best start of the year. Pets -16% With 2,67M admissions it's 4th on the yearly chart now and only has Deadpool (30k admissions more) and The Revenant (130k admissions) to chart second after Zoo (with 3,77M) Jason Bourne is down 39%, Schweinskopf al Dente is down 11% IA5, with 70k (yesterdays trend saw it at only 55k!) is down 20%. That one has such a good multipler! Still, not a good result but a multipler of 6 now. And the weekend as a whole is again up versus last year and that by a healthy 124%! That is great But hot weather in the next week will hurt BO for sure... Edited August 22, 2016 by Aristis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted August 23, 2016 Author Share Posted August 23, 2016 Germany's Top20 last weekend: title admissions th. PTA total adm. total € drop week 1 Suicide Squad 500.016 618 809 576.247 6.187.367 - 1 2 The Secret Life of Pets 305.719 752 407 2.681.838 22.822.507 -16 4 3 Jason Bourne 174.527 561 311 569.910 5.080.568 -39 2 4 Conni & Co 102.767 573 179 115.452 754.745 - 1 5 Schweinskopf al dente 84.487 169 500 240.697 1.884.768 -12 2 6 Ice Age 5 68.114 604 113 2.666.196 21.087.032 -22 8 7 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 52.977 429 123 208.176 2.008.257 -51 2 8 Lights Out 49.534 311 159 296.728 2.515.174 -31 3 9 Star Trek 3 48.656 387 126 1.215.040 13.141.385 -36 5 10 Me Before You 45.042 526 86 2.229.603 17.489.397 -28 9 11 Ghostbusters 37.134 597 62 314.760 2.944.439 -41 3 12 L'Etudiante et Monsieur Henri 32.836 289 114 400.256 3.012.679 -14 5 13 Toni Erdmann 31.294 191 164 436.350 3.970.744 -16 6 14 Captain Fantastic 30.978 87 356 57.170 398.641 - 1 15 Antonio, ihm schmeckt's nicht 28.331 313 91 30.548 251.489 - 1 16 Legend of Tarzan 22.096 286 77 520.254 5.043.038 -61 4 17 Independence Day 2 21.013 288 73 1.436.010 15.224.253 -51 6 18 L'avenir 17.734 88 202 17.734 138.017 - 1 19 The BFG 9.917 305 33 285.614 2.293.897 -30 5 20 Retour chez ma mère 9.184 118 78 49.987 350.200 -45 2 Suicide Squad opened on the lower end of expectations while many releases had very nice holds. Pets have overtaken IA5 (both with good holds). Best hold for "Schweinskopf al dente"; very good PTA which should translate to more good holds in the future. Next weekend: Pete's Dragon is opening with little noise, against two strong family releases already in theaters it will be difficult but at least it should beat Pets' 5th weekend. Now You See Me 2 seems like a sequel nobody has been asking for, much like Ted 2 - won't reach the Top3 in my opinion. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 The whole day was sunny and the weekend should be the same - everywhere in Germany. So to prepare you for the worst tomorrow these are the Thursday estimates via insidekino.de (forum): New releases: Pete's Dragon (good reviews, starts in 540 theaters): 2.5k (evening only) Now You See Me 2: (very mediocre reviews, 410 theaters): 15k The Shallows (pretty good reviews, 283 theaters): 10k The Mechanic: Resurrection (very few reviews and and very mediocre but anyway not so important in this case, 267 theaters): 10k - we will see Mother's Day (bad reviews, 250 theaters): 2.5k – I don't know how many mostly women I guess plan to see this movie over the weekend, but this Thursday number doesn't look good at all Holdovers: SS: 32k (last Thursday = Opening day so of course it has a bigger drop today 115k) Pets: 6k (don't worry that's only the evening, 50k) Jason Bourne: 15k (31k) Schweinskopf: 6k (13k) Given the sunshine and temperatures some of these numbers are not even so bad (for Schweinskopf, The Shallows, Jason Bourne e.g.). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 That's pretty horrible for NYSM2, I thought it would at least have as many admissions as Shallows+Mechanic together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted August 26, 2016 Author Share Posted August 26, 2016 omg the first trend from insidekino is so horrible it's near unbelievable ... espacially daytime fare is suffering but evening shows are not that much better. #1: SS - 160k admissions (-70% ) #2: NYSM2 - 85k (ouchhh) #3: Pets - 65k (-80% ) #4: Shallows - 65k (pretty good actually) #5: Bourne - 50k (-70% ) Pete's Dragon estimated at below 30k - I knew the marketing was lacking but for a Disney releases that's just - words fail me ... Mechanic and Mother's Day 40k each ... what a weekend. Gruesome. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...