IndustriousAngel Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 Germany's Top20 last weekend: title admissions th. PTA total adm. total € drop week 1 Venom 222.887 561 397 792.929 8.205.565 -28 2 2 The Incredibles 2 190.149 718 265 1.355.050 11.689.346 -31 3 3 A Star Is Born 114.722 460 249 348.958 3.148.518 -15 2 4 Klassentreffen 1.0 89.236 610 146 834.692 7.271.716 -30 4 5 Ballon 75.018 536 140 455.093 3.942.733 -23 3 6 Smallfoot 74.343 548 136 92.386 673.610 - 1 7 Abgeschnitten 41.832 199 210 43.404 420.104 - 1 8 The Nun 31.561 402 79 864.879 7.733.462 -32 6 9 Bad Times at the El Royale 26.459 221 120 28.703 255.965 - 1 10 Werk ohne Autor 23.818 252 95 99.581 1.011.971 -36 2 11 Pettersson und Findus - Findus zieht um 20.420 653 31 368.435 2.357.902 -39 5 12 The House With a Clock in its Wall 18.755 404 46 274.934 2.034.432 -39 4 13 Das schönste Mädchen der Welt 18.363 306 60 438.199 3.334.229 -22 6 14 Hotel Transylvania 3 15.759 424 37 2.455.778 17.945.920 -32 13 15 The Happytime Murders 15.736 197 80 34.907 238.942 - 1 16 Book Club 11.506 289 40 304.890 2.548.268 -40 5 17 Mackie Messer - Brechts 3Groschenfilm 8.148 178 46 174.486 1.488.338 -36 5 18 Wackersdorf 6.818 115 59 88.418 686.474 -28 4 19 Sauerkrautkoma 5.879 160 37 977.147 7.790.664 -32 10 20 Todos lo saben 5.367 108 50 56.951 485.892 -43 3 Not a weekend for the openers … some good drops, especially from A Star is Born and Ballon. Next weekend: With the 3rd Johnny English film, we have a good opener, but it will probably open a lot weaker than the last one. Still, somewhat around 250k should make it a safe winner for the weekend! Nothing else looks very interesting so holdovers should see decent holds once more. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 wow, another disappointment ... opening day for Johnny English 3 and going by my theater, my 250k prediction seems too optimistic. By far. Strongest evening movies here are Der Trafikant and A Star is Born; Der Vorname nearly empty (but that was to be expected in Austria, it should do much better on the home market) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Parr Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 10:00 AM, Brainbug said: Löw just didnt know when to quit (kinda like Merkel, but i dont really want to dive into politics). His style and tactic is just old now, every team on the planet knows how to play against us succesfully. We need a new trainer as soon as possible imo. I don't know if the tactics really don't work anymore, it's more like the players that are needed for it are mostly gone now without a proper replacement. It used to be that there was a strong central defense that had good speed and could deliver long-range passes, allowing for quick movement up the field to prevent the opponent from setting up a tight defense after being on the offense. Followed up by a central midfield that worked both ways and a center forward who could score and who had strong instincts for passing-plays into the box. That has basically stopped, with Hummels being somewhat slow and lacklustre in his passes, and Boateng being a walking muscle-injury. The midfield stopped working, mostly because Kroos is devoid of speed and defensive abilities, which requires a strong defensive midfielder to clear up behind him. Khedira stopped being that player because for some reason he started to think of himself as a box-to-box player, which just doesn't work when Kroos cannot cover for him. The only player who has looked pretty good in the needed role was Rudy for 30 minutes during the World Cup, until he had to leave the game due to an injury. He never got another chance afterwards, and no one like him was tried either. Moving Kimmich there is just desperation. Losing Klose might have been the biggest blow though. He was a very good goalscorer, excellent at give-and-goes, with a strong backcheck. That was the perfect fit for the German system. There is no one like him around, and a huge lack of forwards in general. It seems like the German youth system has led to a shortage in certain positions, creating tons of jack-of-all-trades instead of making sure all kinds of players existed. With Löw's stupid handling of the Wagner-situation, there isn't really anyone remotely resembling a physical striker anymore either. Not that Wagner was particularly good, but he had his advantages and was suitable for a specific role. And then there is the issue of Löw seemingly not training specific set-plays going into the box. It's like everyone knows how to move up the pitch, but once they arrive near the box there isn't really a coherent plan, so everything runs on players improvising. That only works if the players think very similarly and/or if you have someone so brilliant that it doesn't really matter because they will score in bunches anyway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainbug Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 31 minutes ago, George Parr said: I don't know if the tactics really don't work anymore, it's more like the players that are needed for it are mostly gone now without a proper replacement. It used to be that there was a strong central defense that had good speed and could deliver long-range passes, allowing for quick movement up the field to prevent the opponent from setting up a tight defense after being on the offense. Followed up by a central midfield that worked both ways and a center forward who could score and who had strong instincts for passing-plays into the box. That has basically stopped, with Hummels being somewhat slow and lacklustre in his passes, and Boateng being a walking muscle-injury. The midfield stopped working, mostly because Kroos is devoid of speed and defensive abilities, which requires a strong defensive midfielder to clear up behind him. Khedira stopped being that player because for some reason he started to think of himself as a box-to-box player, which just doesn't work when Kroos cannot cover for him. The only player who has looked pretty good in the needed role was Rudy for 30 minutes during the World Cup, until he had to leave the game due to an injury. He never got another chance afterwards, and no one like him was tried either. Moving Kimmich there is just desperation. Losing Klose might have been the biggest blow though. He was a very good goalscorer, excellent at give-and-goes, with a strong backcheck. That was the perfect fit for the German system. There is no one like him around, and a huge lack of forwards in general. It seems like the German youth system has led to a shortage in certain positions, creating tons of jack-of-all-trades instead of making sure all kinds of players existed. With Löw's stupid handling of the Wagner-situation, there isn't really anyone remotely resembling a physical striker anymore either. Not that Wagner was particularly good, but he had his advantages and was suitable for a specific role. And then there is the issue of Löw seemingly not training specific set-plays going into the box. It's like everyone knows how to move up the pitch, but once they arrive near the box there isn't really a coherent plan, so everything runs on players improvising. That only works if the players think very similarly and/or if you have someone so brilliant that it doesn't really matter because they will score in bunches anyway. Great post. It seems youre a pretty big follower of football? Löw i think has fallen into a trap before the World Cup that is still ongoing: He is thankfull for the players that gave him his biggest triumph - Brazil 2014. Players like Boateng, Hummels, Müller (and Özil, but thats another case now ofc) just dont have the form now that they had 4 years ago. You can see it in Bayern Munich as well. As a big Eintracht Frankfurt Fan, im split on Niko Kovac, but hes not the sole man responsible for Bayerns crisis at the moment. These players that i listed are the real problem imo because they have starting guarantess in the club and national teams even though they dont deserve it anymore. But i think Löw gives these players still a bonus because they enabled him to win the World Cup. But Germany (and Bayern to an extent imo) need fresh players, young players, a new generation. Players like Sane, Brandt or Havertz are the next big names for Germany. France won the World Cup because Didier Deschamps has 1 main criteria for his players: performance principle (Deutsch: Leistungsprinzip, im unsure if this is the correct English translation). That is what we need now in my eyes. Thats also why im for Ter Stegen replacing a Neuer in our goal, who is now just not the world-class-keeper that he once was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 3 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said: wow, another disappointment ... opening day for Johnny English 3 and going by my theater, my 250k prediction seems too optimistic. By far. Strongest evening movies here are Der Trafikant and A Star is Born; Der Vorname nearly empty (but that was to be expected in Austria, it should do much better on the home market) From Thursday estimates (but that's of course only our with a grain of salt-estimates) it looks better for both movies. Johnny English 3 had 33.5k admissions today, Der Vorname 11.5k, Ballon seems to have a good hold again and ASIB too which is neck and neck with Venom. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 First estimates: #1: JE3 - 225k (not as bad as I feared) #2: Venom - 150k (-33%) #3: I2 - 125k (-34%) #4: ASiB - 100k (-12%) #5: Vorname - 110k incl. previews 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 And some Thursday actuals (source: Blickpunkt Film): The new releases: Johnny English 3 (released in 645 theaters, the first movie had 3.46M total admissions, the successor 1.63M): 35k/ 304k US$ Der Vorname (means The Given Name, a German remake of the French comedy, 250 theaters): 13k The Guilty: 1k The holdovers: Venom: 22k (actuals last Thursday 35k) TI2: 20k (33k) ASIB: 16k (20k) - again very good 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Yet another mediocre hold for I2. Is there a connection between Germany, Italy and Greece being depressed (and depressing) markets, and HT3 somehow managing to beat Incredibles 2 in all of them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 34 minutes ago, Omni said: Yet another mediocre hold for I2. Is there a connection between Germany, Italy and Greece being depressed (and depressing) markets, and HT3 somehow managing to beat Incredibles 2 in all of them? well, we've seen I2 and it's a fun movie, but in the German speaking regions, animation is nearly exclusivcely a family market, there are very few grownups who'll watch an animated movie on its own merits. And for the kids, I2 isn't as fun as HT3 I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketheavenger Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 The 2nd trend has almost no changes except Der Vorname and ASIB a little higher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Estimates up for all releases! yay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Screen InternationalVerified account @Screendaily 1h1 hour ago More Vue to buy German cinema group CineStar in $254m deal http://bit.ly/2PNCtAY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 7 hours ago, terrestrial said: Screen InternationalVerified account @Screendaily 1h1 hour ago More Vue to buy German cinema group CineStar in $254m deal http://bit.ly/2PNCtAY Wait, CineStar is already part of Vue... What else do we have in Germany, apart from CineStar, Cinemaxx and Cineplex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 20 minutes ago, Taruseth said: Wait, CineStar is already part of Vue... What else do we have in Germany, apart from CineStar, Cinemaxx and Cineplex CineStar belongs to: Event Hospitality and Entertainment, formerly known as Amalgamated Holdings Limited (AHL) There is no German entry for them, do here the English entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_Hospitality_and_Entertainment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 Germany's Top20 last weekend: title admissions th. PTA total adm. total € drop week 1 Johnny English 3 224.764 645 348 225.207 1.869.208 - 1 2 The Incredibles 2 161.828 676 -15 1.580.995 13.483.785 -15 4 3 Venom 160.277 580 276 1.022.184 10.494.338 -28 3 4 Der Vorname 113.238 246 460 144.981 1.234.063 - 1 5 A Star Is Born 112.033 460 244 515.508 4.624.414 -2 3 6 Smallfoot 76.882 548 140 192.850 1.383.650 +3 2 7 Klassentreffen 1.0 73.757 579 127 943.041 8.210.976 -17 5 8 Ballon 71.692 603 119 562.359 4.836.858 -4 4 9 Abgeschnitten 38.943 221 176 97.627 918.868 -7 2 10 Pettersson und Findus - Findus zieht um 22.299 571 39 399.303 2.548.422 +9 6 11 Werk ohne Autor 20.467 226 91 134.371 1.359.474 -14 3 12 The Nun 20.436 350 58 891.299 7.968.357 -35 7 13 Bad Times at the El Royale 17.794 228 78 57.970 514.146 -33 2 14 Yol Arkadasim 2 17.492 52 336 17.492 158.419 - 1 - MET: Samson et Dalila 15.859 212 75 15.859 467.378 - 1 15 Hotel Transyilvania 3 14.331 345 42 2.476.428 18.072.257 -9 14 16 The House With a Clock in its Wall 14.098 325 43 295.965 2.180.784 -25 5 17 Das schönste Mädchen der Welt 13.521 334 40 459.831 3.493.574 -26 7 18 Book Club 8.470 232 37 322.678 2.687.594 -26 6 19 Mackie Messer - Brechts 3Groschenfilm 6.982 48 145 187.734 1.594.566 -14 6 20 The Guilty 6.576 58 113 20.656 127.257 - 1 Overall very good holds and even some slight increases; yet the big opener was a disappointment once more. Pretty good PTA for domestic comedy Der Vorname, should expand a bit next weekend! Next weekend: A lot of new releases, quite a few of them horror-themed. Halloween should take the top spot with ease - holdovers with evening shows will suffer a bit from the many horror movies; on the bright side, bad weather should be excellent for family releases so expect some more good holds or even increases and an overall good weekend! 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 On 10/22/2018 at 9:30 PM, terrestrial said: CineStar belongs to: Event Hospitality and Entertainment, formerly known as Amalgamated Holdings Limited (AHL) There is no German entry for them, do here the English entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_Hospitality_and_Entertainment Yeah, sorry I meant that Cinemaxx is already a part of Vue and now they want to buy CineStar to which would give them a monopoly in some cities. As some only have a Cinemaxx and a Cinestar and some small cinemas. Bremen is lucky they also have a Cinespace🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 First weekend estimates from insidekino.de: #1: Halloween - 360k admissions (very good start; includes a lot of previews) #2: JE3 - 200k (-11%) #3: I2 - 175k (+8%) #4: Vorname - 150k (+33%, nice) #6: Venom - 110k (-31%) #7/8: Smallfoot / ASiB with 110k each (+30% / -11%) as expected, increases among family stuff; Venom got hit hardest by Halloween 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 (edited) And some Thursday actuals (source: Blickpunkt Film): The new releases: Halloween (released in 515 theaters): 50k/467k US$ - nice (and close to the estimates, probably in the colder time of the year when it also becomes dark earlier people actually fetch their reservated tickets ) Goosebumps 2 (344, the first movie had 264k total admissions here): 10k → 70k OW predicted in the first trend, in line with expectations Wuff (340, a German comedy-romance): 4k → 35k OW Hunter Killer (220): ?k → 25k OW Wildhexe (191, a Danish familiy film): 2k → 17.5k OW Intrigo (142): ?k → 6k (so four films underperform). The holdovers: Johnny English 3: 20k (actuals last Thursday 35k) TI2: 20k (20k) Der Vorname: 20k(!) (13k) Venom: 15k (22k) Edited October 26, 2018 by el sid 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 The final trend shows some ugly changes for the family films : #1 Halloween 360k #2 Johnny English3 200k #3 Der Vorname 145k #4 TI2 135k - I first wondered if this is a typo but probably not, Goosebumps etc. went down too #5 Venom 100k #6 ASIB 100k #7 Smallfoot 85k #8 Klassentreffen 55k #9 Ballon 50k #10 Goosebumps2 50k #11 Wuff 35k #12 Abgeschnitten 30k #13 Petersson und Findus 25k #14 Hunter Killer a bit under 25k 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 52 minutes ago, el sid said: The final trend shows some ugly changes for the family films : #1 Halloween 360k #2 Johnny English3 200k #3 Der Vorname 145k #4 TI2 135k - I first wondered if this is a typo but probably not, Goosebumps etc. went down too #5 Venom 100k #6 ASIB 100k #7 Smallfoot 85k #8 Klassentreffen 55k #9 Ballon 50k #10 Goosebumps2 50k #11 Wuff 35k #12 Abgeschnitten 30k #13 Petersson und Findus 25k #14 Hunter Killer a bit under 25k Should go up again tomorow, weather today is awful! But I2 being down 40k is sad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...