BO Germany/Austria: Inside Out 2 #1 with best 2024 OW

[Sophia Jane]

16 minutes ago, Taruseth said:

Right now I'd say France still holds the edge.

Around 14m would translate to roughly $147m with your ATP

While around 10m in Germany would translate to roughly $142m.

Both are going to be far closer to A1 Dollargross than anticipated though - most predictions in the Summer were probably around $70m-$80m.

 

ER is terrible,Avatar 2 increase in Lc both France and Germany

[IndustriousAngel]

4 hours ago, Taruseth said:

Right now Oskars Kleid seems to be the only exception.

while the language is similar, there's still some cultural differences between most of Germany and Austria - that's why many German productions don't sell as well here as on the home market. The exception is Bavaria - which is much more similar, from the cultural POV - and accordingly, Bavarian movies may do better business here than in overall Germany (but not better than in Bavaria, obviously ...). Last year's Guglhupfgeschwader had an impressive run in Germany (1,37mil total, best of the series), but that got dwarfed by its success in Austria where it crossed 300k admissions.

[Taruseth]

19 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said:

while the language is similar, there's still some cultural differences between most of Germany and Austria - that's why many German productions don't sell as well here as on the home market. The exception is Bavaria - which is much more similar, from the cultural POV - and accordingly, Bavarian movies may do better business here than in overall Germany (but not better than in Bavaria, obviously ...). Last year's Guglhupfgeschwader had an impressive run in Germany (1,37mil total, best of the series), but that got dwarfed by its success in Austria where it crossed 300k admissions.

Yeah, but Räuber Hotzenplotz (German-Swiss production) is doing somewhat better in Austria too.

Around 85k vs 650k.

Schule der magischen Tiere 240k vs 2529k (so slightly better in Germany - but difference is kinda small).

 

So German movies do quite often sell well in Austria too (at least currently they do in comparison to Germany).

 

Hui Buh is doing roughly the same, Was man von hier aus sehen kann seems to also do roughly the same.

 

[IndustriousAngel]

16 minutes ago, Taruseth said:

Yeah, but Räuber Hotzenplotz (German-Swiss production) is doing somewhat better in Austria too.

That's in the usual range, maybe on the higher end - and dont't forget the lead is played by well-known Viennese actor Nicholas Ofczarek; that's why the movie got a lot of very favourable reviews and interviews here (much more than, say, Schule der magischen Tiere or other children's movies).

[George Parr]

First trend is up: http://www.insidekino.com/News.htm

 

#1 Avatar 2 675k (-40%)

#2 M3gan 170k

#3 Puss in Boots 2 150k (-41%)

#4 Operation Fortune 85k (-33%)

#5 The Banshees of Inisherin 60k (-1%)

[Brainbug]

2 minutes ago, George Parr said:

First trend is up: http://www.insidekino.com/News.htm

 

#1 Avatar 2 675k (-40%)

#2 M3gan 170k

#3 Puss in Boots 2 150k (-41%)

#4 Operation Fortune 85k (-33%)

#5 The Banshees of Inisherin 60k (-1%)

 

For reference, these are the 3 highest 5th weekends in admissions (same source, InsideKino):

 

01. Titanic - 967k

02. Lion King (94) - 800k

03. Aladdin (93) - 636k

 

So Avatar 2 might have the 3rd best 5th weekend of all time in Germany. I do think 700k should be possible as well, but the 800k of The Lion King seems to far off right now. 2nd and 3rd trend will make things clearer as usual.

[IndustriousAngel]

13 minutes ago, George Parr said:

First trend is up: http://www.insidekino.com/News.htm

 

#1 Avatar 2 675k (-40%)

#2 M3gan 170k

#3 Puss in Boots 2 150k (-41%)

#4 Operation Fortune 85k (-33%)

#5 The Banshees of Inisherin 60k (-1%)

wow, that's quite good for M3gan - it's starting without any competition but I was fearing a shortness of screens. And extremely good for Avatar3 of course, maybe 700k can indeed happen!

[Aristis]

On 1/6/2023 at 12:08 PM, Aristis said:

Thursday

 

#1 Avatar 2 200k (-50%) [€2,6M]

#2 Puss in Boots 2 50k (-40%) [€400k]

#3 Operation Fortune 23k [€215k]

#4 Hotzenplotz 18k (-51%) [€130k]

#5 Oskars Kleid 16k (-45%) [€140k]

Thursday

 

#1 Avatar 2 60k (-70%) [€830k]

#2 M3gan 16 k [€150k]

#3 Operation Fortune 9k (-61%) [€80k]

#4 Banshees of Inisherin 8k (?) [€70k]

#5 Puss in Boots 2 7,5k (-85%) [€62k]

 

https://www.blickpunktfilm.de/kino/kinocharts-deutschland-trend-weiter-topzahlen-fuer-avatar-the-way-of-water-f4f5194bb7349646fd01163c3f604859

Edited January 13, 2023 by Aristis

[LPLC]

1 hour ago, IndustriousAngel said:

wow, that's quite good for M3gan - it's starting without any competition but I was fearing a shortness of screens. And extremely good for Avatar3 of course, maybe 700k can indeed happen!

Avatar 3 is already in theaters in Germany ? You are lucky

[IndustriousAngel]

Saturday update from insidekino.de; no changes for A2 but M3gan lower and Puss higher than first estimates

[efialtes76]

1 minute ago, IndustriousAngel said:

Saturday update from insidekino.de; no changes for A2 but M3gan lower and Puss higher than first estimates

A2-675k

PiB-175k

M3gan-140k

Operation Fortune-82.5K

[Sophia Jane]

On 1/13/2023 at 8:52 AM, Brainbug said:

 

For reference, these are the 3 highest 5th weekends in admissions (same source, InsideKino):

 

01. Titanic - 967k

02. Lion King (94) - 800k

03. Aladdin (93) - 636k

 

So Avatar 2 might have the 3rd best 5th weekend of all time in Germany. I do think 700k should be possible as well, but the 800k of The Lion King seems to far off right now. 2nd and 3rd trend will make things clearer as usual.

So in term of box office it will be highest 5th weekend record

[Aristis]

3rd Trend

 

Avatar 2 710k (-37%) 

PiB 190k (-25%) 

M3GAN 145k

 

http://www.insidekino.com/News.htm

Edited January 15, 2023 by Aristis

[IndustriousAngel]

wow, that's an astonishing hold!

(also excellent for PiB, obviously)

[Sophia Jane]

Avatar gotta near €100m after this weekend,beating SW7 in next weekdays and beating Avatar by next weekend at least ,Titanic 25 year’s box office record is almost locked,James Cameron beating Germany B.O record after 3 decades

 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Bruce

[Taruseth]

36 minutes ago, Bruce said:

Avatar gotta near €100m after this weekend,beating SW7 in next weekdays and beating Avatar by next weekend at least ,Titanic 25 year’s box office record is almost locked,James Cameron beating Germany B.O record after 3 decades

 

Will need longer for Avatar - Avatar is at almost 120m € - that will take some time.

If it is at 100m after today it should get to 102m during the weekdays and then get 8m on the next weekend that means its missing another 10m, so it needs the 7th weekend too and probably the following weekdays. Titanic might be close and Titanic's rerelease makes this even harder to predict.

 

1 hour ago, Aristis said:

3rd Trend

 

Avatar 2 710k (-37%) 

PiB 190k (-25%) 

M3GAN 145k

 

http://www.insidekino.com/News.htm

 

Another thing when I am looking trough the movies opening this year - they all look bad - like no OWEnd will top 1m (so if we split Avatars run then it has the 3 best weekends last year and with its 4th weekend of 1133k probably also the best on this year).

 

Also no idea which movie will be the largest - Mario?

[Brainbug]

38 minutes ago, Taruseth said:

Also no idea which movie will be the largest - Mario?

 

Indiana Jones 5 has big potential here imo if its well-received. I also woudnt underestimate Barbie, if enough of our fellow countrymen mistake that film for a softporn movie, it might do extremely well

[Taruseth]

So next weekend Cameron will have the whole top 3 in € replacing TFA with Avatar 2.

 

Current top 20 consists of:

6x Middle Earth (Still!)

3x Cameron

3x Star Wars

3x James Bond

and the remaining  5 movies are Jungle Book, HP1, Schuh des Manitu, Intouchables and FJG 2.

So 7 fantasy movies, 5 Sci-Fi movies, 3 Agent/Action movies and then a mix (Titanic, Jungle Book and Manitu, Intouchables and FJG 2). Outside of FJG2 all 19 movies in the top 20 are good to incredible movies  - well the three SW movies aren't that great.

 

Will Cameron be able to have 6 movies in the top 10 in 2029 after A5 - right now the eight place is LotR 2 with €75.5m?

 

Only thread would be a new well setup Middle Earth movie (won't happen - no real source material) or a great new SW movie (unlikely with the over saturation with TV show and the sequels mediocre to bad reception) or a new James Bond (will the next be able to get the same success as the last three? with a new Bond etc.).

On the other hand getting A3, 4, and 5 over €76m doesn't exactly sound like an easy task. But A5 might have an ATP of €15 that would mean 5067k admissions would be enough.

 

Biggest threat probably (different to the past) might be Secret Wars (Avengers 6) releasing in 2026 that's quite far out and Endgame had a quiet high ATP.

Edited January 15, 2023 by Taruseth

[Taruseth]

11 hours ago, Brainbug said:

 

Indiana Jones 5 has big potential here imo if its well-received. I also woudnt underestimate Barbie, if enough of our fellow countrymen mistake that film for a softporn movie, it might do extremely well

IJ 1 (1981): 2499k

IJ2 (1984): 3973k

IJ3 (1989): 3645k

IJ4 (2008): 2848k

 

Mmmh - 3.5m total.

Year end list:

(A2 ~5.7m after doing like 4.3m? in 2022)

Mario: 3.6m (would be the worst #1 ever (outside of 2020)

IJ5: 3.5m

Panem: 3m (Bold but Panem increased with every movie in Germany - this would be a drop 3 had 4m and 4 had 4.1m adm.)

Dune 2: 2.8m

Some animation? 2.5m (Universal?)

Guardians 3: 2.5m

F X: 2.5m

Barbie: 2.5m

 

Would make 2023 the fourth year since probably 1950 without a 4m movie, the other years are 2016, 2018 and 2020. (So 2022 seems to have broken that curse with Minions and Avatar).

Only 3 movies above 3m would also be the worst outside of 2020 (0x) and 2021 (2x).

 

Edited January 15, 2023 by Taruseth

[Sophia Jane]

21 minutes ago, Taruseth said:

So next weekend Cameron will have the whole top 3 in € replacing TFA with Avatar 2.

 

Current top 20 consists of:

6x Middle Earth (Still!)

3x Cameron

3x Star Wars

3x James Bond

and the remaining  5 movies are Jungle Book, HP1, Schuh des Manitu, Intouchables and FJG 2.

So 7 fantasy movies, 5 Sci-Fi movies, 3 Agent/Action movies and then a mix (Titanic, Jungle Book and Manitu, Intouchables and FJG 2). Outside of FJG2 all 19 movies in the top 20 are good to incredible movies  - well the three SW movies aren't that great.

 

Will Cameron be able to have 6 movies in the top 10 in 2029 after A5 - right now the eight place is LotR 2 with €75.5m?

 

Only thread would be a new well setup Middle Earth movie (won't happen - no real source material) or a great new SW movie (unlikely with the over saturation with TV show and the sequels mediocre to bad reception) or a new James Bond (will the next be able to get the same success as the last three? with a new Bond etc.).

On the other hand getting A3, 4, and 5 over €76m doesn't exactly sound like an easy task. But A5 might have an ATP of €15 that would mean 5067k admissions would be enough.

 

Biggest threat probably (different to the past) might be Secret Wars (Avengers 6) releasing in 2026 that's quite far out and Endgame had a quiet high ATP.

Don’t think any Marvel movie have a power to enter Germany all-time chart

Germany is one of the worst performence market for MCU