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[MotionPictured]

People are really running with this $25m payday. It made sense for Don't Look Up because it was a streaming movie so her and Leo got paid upfront because there are no box office points. Why would she get the full payment upfront for a theatrical release? Leo only made $10m for Once Upon a Time. And Jennifer is producing NHF so she likely got paid much less for it because she is getting box office points. Use your common sense.

 

"And lol if you think studios are paying their stars $25m so they can open movies to $15m, you realize how silly that sounds to say she was any kind of draw with that OW?"

 

It is only the domestic OW. Ticket to Paradise had a $60m budget and made $16.5m domestic and still saw a profit. I don't understand why people keep dunking on NHF. It seems people want it to flop but unfortunately it is doing just fine?

Edited June 24, 2023 by MotionPictured

[MovieMan89]

Honestly, props to Lawrence though for likely seeing her downward trend years back, and being smart enough to decide to just basically lay low all these years instead of let it implode. As a result, her agents were prob able to claim “it’s not bc she’s not still a big draw, it’s just bc she’s been taking a break” or some nonsense like that, 

[MotionPictured]

1 minute ago, Belakor said:

Not really, Toby's Spiderman is far more popular and recent than Keaton's Batman. Afflecks's Batman was a hit and miss, not loved by  almost everyone like Bale's.  That was The Flash's mistake, relying on two not very popular interpretations of Batman, it could have done something more ambitious, like include every Batman ever or something like that.

Yeah, I agree with this.

[Belakor]

If CBMs continue the trend of doing less and less money even if they are good (GOG3, SPMV2) we could see the studios spending less and less on production and saving it for big event movies and sending more and more movies to the streaming platforms.

[ZattMurdock]

Legend.

 

 

 

[MotionPictured]

Streaming is not profitable in any way though? Even if a movie makes very little in its theatrical release, at least it made something. A movie on streaming makes nothing. The cast from Stranger Things gets big fat upfront paychecks because there are no residuals. Netflix is deeply in debt. Streaming is not and has never been sustainable.

[ZattMurdock]

1 minute ago, Belakor said:

If CBMs continue the trend of doing less and less money even if they are good (GOG3, SPMV2) we could see the studios spending less and less on production and saving it for big event movies and sending more and more movies to the streaming platforms.

Yes, they will spend less on making *check notes* the biggest film of the Summer and the animation that  already made more than its predecessor in less than one month. Because that totally makes sense. What we actually need is more Warcraft. Or idk, more Dunes. Certainly that first one was an astounding success and the second will be even bigger. Right? Right? We need more brand new content, someone make a sequel to Dungeons and Dragons, or a sequel to Valerian. Everything Everywhere All At Once 2?

[cookie]

11 minutes ago, Belakor said:

If CBMs continue the trend of doing less and less money even if they are good (GOG3, SPMV2) we could see the studios spending less and less on production and saving it for big event movies and sending more and more movies to the streaming platforms.

They're not gonna start sending them to streaming at a time when every legacy studio out there is actively pulling content away from their own platforms to save money. The streaming boom is dead. There'll be cuts, but they'll stay theatrical.

Edited June 24, 2023 by cookie

[emoviefan]

33 minutes ago, ZattMurdock said:

I don’t believe the hilarious mental gymnastics that people go out of their way to claim Marvel is declining, yes. I think it’s one whole lot of bullshit preached as gospel. It’s more wishful thinking than factual, with a lot of caveats to justify when the films do blow up. 

These people are just laughable.  It's like if they say it enough a few times it will come true.

[XXR & Friends]

5 minutes ago, MotionPictured said:

Streaming is not profitable in any way though? Even if a movie makes very little in its theatrical release, at least it made something. A movie on streaming makes nothing. The cast from Stranger Things gets big fat upfront paychecks because there are no residuals. Netflix is deeply in debt. Streaming is not and has never been sustainable.

 

Inaccurate. It takes an upfront debt load to build the customer base but it's certainly profitable. Netflix pulled in nearly $4.5 billion in net income last year and is tracking over $5 billion this year. 

[MotionPictured]

LOL.

 

Netflix is in debt $14.4 billion.

 

So, that $5 billion is cute but umm....not really helping them.

[ZattMurdock]

1 minute ago, MotionPictured said:

LOL.

 

Netflix is in debt $14.4 billion.

 

So, that $5 billion is cute but umm....not really helping them.

The streaming bubble might burst, but streaming is never leaving us. You hating that or wishing it would or not.

[XXR & Friends]

1 minute ago, MotionPictured said:

LOL.

 

Netflix is in debt $14.4 billion.

 

So, that $5 billion is cute but umm....not really helping them.

 

Hmm yea you don't know how debt loads work in the corporate world. Every company has debt. Apple has over $110B in debt on the books. Comcast nearly $100B. Disney nearly $50B. Netflix's profit/debt ratio is actually quite a bit better than Disney, Comcast, WBD, Paramount, etc. 

[JustLurking]

I was about to write something but then I realised there's more productive ways to use my time than talking to a wall

[Landon1195]

If Superman Legacy flops what do you think will happen to DC?

[stuart360]

21 minutes ago, MovieMan89 said:

Honestly, props to Lawrence though for likely seeing her downward trend years back, and being smart enough to decide to just basically lay low all these years instead of let it implode. As a result, her agents were prob able to claim “it’s not bc she’s not still a big draw, it’s just bc she’s been taking a break” or some nonsense like that, 

Well i dont think she really laid low, she was still a pretty big draw.

She got pregnant, and wanted to be there for the first few years of her kids life.

She's already said she wont be doing another film for a couple of years after this new one.

[XXR & Friends]

2 minutes ago, Landon1195 said:

If Superman Legacy flops what do you think will happen to DC?

 

Depends on what you consider a "flop". Are we talking $500M WW or doing what The Flash is doing? If it's the former, you keep going and hopefully make good content that wins over more audience. 

If it's the latter, you probably stick to the Elseworld titles like The Batman and Joker for a few years while figuring out your next step.

[ZeroHour]

9 minutes ago, MotionPictured said:

LOL.

 

Netflix is in debt $14.4 billion.

 

So, that $5 billion is cute but umm....not really helping them.

Netflix is a profitable business. Disney also makes money and carries debt. It’s how these businesses work. 

[ZattMurdock]

1 minute ago, XXRkham Asylum said:

 

Depends on what you consider a "flop" are we talking $500M WW or doing what The Flash is doing? If it's the former, you keep going and hopefully make good content that wins over more audience. 

If it's the latter, you probably stick to the Elseworld titles like The Batman and Joker for a few years while figuring out your next step.

If Superman Legacy is a relative success, like $500m WW is already good enough to keep it going. Superman Legacy’s actual job is to present the world to this new take of Superman and the DC Universe, not really compete with Marvel Studios. If it builds enough good will, it’s the future films that might actually do that.

[stuart360]

People can argue over whether superhero movies are decling, but its going to happen, even if it hasnt happened yet.

You look back through movie history with war films, westerns,etc, they usually go in these 10 years spurts of popularity, then a decline, then come back in another couple of decades or so.

If you count the current superhero genre from Raimi's Spiderman, you are talikng a good 20+ years of superhero movies being big (30+ years if you count from Batman 89, although i personally wouldnt as we still didnt get that many)

Thing is even if you count if from Iron Man, thats still 15 years at the top. So superhero movies have done great, but are def over their sell by date and due a decline, if only a temp one.

And to be honest, with Marvels factory production line churning out multiple films and tv series every year, they have done amazing not to already of had a serious decline, years ago really.

Edited June 24, 2023 by stuart360