Archerdude Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) I don't know Bob...not sure if DMG is being given too much credit here. They bungled Looper before and now Transcendence, and the former did have a vaunted holiday release date in the weeklong October holidays and the latter its supposed major push with Depp's visit (but then again as you reported, that actually went South with media outlets and fans). Also read avid Marvel fans pissed with the "Chinese elements" inserted into IM3 way back when, which proved unnecessary (it wasn't a co-pro) and really clunky/clumsy (not sure THAT helped with Marvel's branding among movie fans). I'm sure the one thing that Transcendence benefitted from was getting in, otherwise would have been a dicey proposition (same might be said re: Looper)...IM3 and the likes of TF4, I don't think any partners would have been necessary to get these in (not like they're stupid enough to shoot anything anti-Chinese in them to get banned), all signs point towards these movies being brought in anyway as part of the 34...like any Jurassic sequel, Spidey movie or a Jim Cameron directed movie...as long as nothing political in it (then again...Hunger Games movies are getting in, go figure, Panem = Beijing!) It'll be interesting to see what DMG does with the Gerard Butler remake of "Point Break." Edited April 21, 2014 by Archerdude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Violence Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) I never claimed IM3 wouldn't have gotten in without DMG. Every single Marvel Studios film has gotten in (even Incredible Hulk) and there's no way IM3 would've broken that pattern. But again, it wouldn't have gotten a day-and-date holiday release, it wouldn't have broken the opening day record (which was pretty much contingent on a holiday release), it wouldn't have gotten the ridiculous amount of publicity it had (for example, it was very prominently featured on TV, which is something you don't see much with Hollywood films), and it wouldn't have had a five-week run. The "Chinese elements" weren't sufficient to qualify it as a full co-production, but it was money spent in China and the Film Bureau was hardly unaware of that. Having Fan Bingbing (who's better known in China than any of the Hollywood cast) also meant tons of free PR. Whether those additions ultimately hurt Marvel's image is an unknowable hypothetical, but I don't see it. For some casual viewers it was a goofy novelty that might've convinced them to see something they wouldn't have normally seen, and fans understand it was a one-off and that Huang Xiaoming wasn't going to suddenly pop up in Thor 2. I'm also not at all clear on how DMG bungled Looper, which is hardly blockbuster material and would've normally struggled to get any Chinese release. Instead it was released during a usually protected holiday period and ended up at #2 against four high-profile competitors, finishing just slightly behind Taichi Zero (which meant Looper had higher attendance, since Taichi had 3D and IMAX). If you're referring to the dollar-yuan mixup in the box office reporting, that was down to Endgame and Sony—I never saw anything that implicated DMG in it. Transcendence, yes, they bungled the Depp visit, but given the toxic WOM on the film itself, it was a dicey release no matter what. The day-and-date release surely helped, since there was less awareness of the negative reception in the U.S. Whether it was worth it for DMG I can't say, since I don't know what they put into it, but I doubt the Depp visit was a big factor simply because I doubt the average moviegoer is even aware of it. If DMG fucked up, it's because they backed a movie that sucks and was pitched as a Johnny Depp movie when it's really more of a Rebecca Hall-Paul Bettany movie. As for TF4, it's in the same boat IM3 was: the question was never if it would come out in China, the question is when and under what conditions. As a co-production (whether it qualifies for "official" status or not), it's looking at a day-and-date release in late June. As a non-co-production, we'd have a possible late August release alongside god knows how many other belated summer blockbusters. Edited April 22, 2014 by Bob Violence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olive Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Monday est Trans...........9.3M.............75M Demon.........7.1M.............56M CA2.............619M............619M Rio2............3.5M.............159M 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zackzack Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Monday est Trans...........9.3M.............75M Demon.........7.1M.............56M CA2.............619M............619M Rio2............3.5M.............159M What is the exchange rate now? CAP2 is roughly $99M USD now...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernan Gonzalez Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 What is the exchange rate now? CAP2 is roughly $99M USD now...?619m yuan = $100.2m :-) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
23IsEverywhere Posted April 21, 2014 Share Posted April 21, 2014 Monday estTrans...........9.3M.............75MDemon.........7.1M.............56MCA2.............619M............619MRio2............3.5M.............159MAmazing Monday for CA2 100M in one day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archerdude Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 I never claimed IM3 wouldn't have gotten in without DMG. Every single Marvel Studios film has gotten in (even Incredible Hulk) and there's no way IM3 would've broken that pattern. But again, it wouldn't have gotten a day-and-date holiday release, it wouldn't have broken the opening day record (which was pretty much contingent on a holiday release), it wouldn't have gotten the ridiculous amount of publicity it had (for example, it was very prominently featured on TV, which is something you don't see much with Hollywood films), and it wouldn't have had a five-week run. The "Chinese elements" weren't sufficient to qualify it as a full co-production, but it was money spent in China and the Film Bureau was hardly unaware of that. Having Fan Bingbing (who's better known in China than any of the Hollywood cast) also meant tons of free PR. Whether those additions ultimately hurt Marvel's image is an unknowable hypothetical, but I don't see it. For some casual viewers it was a goofy novelty that might've convinced them to see something they wouldn't have normally seen, and fans understand it was a one-off and that Huang Xiaoming wasn't going to suddenly pop up in Thor 2. I'm also not at all clear on how DMG bungled Looper, which is hardly blockbuster material and would've normally struggled to get any Chinese release. Instead it was released during a usually protected holiday period and ended up at #2 against four high-profile competitors, finishing just slightly behind Taichi Zero (which meant Looper had higher attendance, since Taichi had 3D and IMAX). If you're referring to the dollar-yuan mixup in the box office reporting, that was down to Endgame and Sony—I never saw anything that implicated DMG in it. Transcendence, yes, they bungled the Depp visit, but given the toxic WOM on the film itself, it was a dicey release no matter what. The day-and-date release surely helped, since there was less awareness of the negative reception in the U.S. Whether it was worth it for DMG I can't say, since I don't know what they put into it, but I doubt the Depp visit was a big factor simply because I doubt the average moviegoer is even aware of it. If DMG fucked up, it's because they backed a movie that sucks and was pitched as a Johnny Depp movie when it's really more of a Rebecca Hall-Paul Bettany movie. As for TF4, it's in the same boat IM3 was: the question was never if it would come out in China, the question is when and under what conditions. As a co-production (whether it qualifies for "official" status or not), it's looking at a day-and-date release in late June. As a non-co-production, we'd have a possible late August release alongside god knows how many other belated summer blockbusters. Let's agree to disagree on the alleged contributions of this DMG outfit...read and heard enough on my end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbidj Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) What is the exchange rate now? CAP2 is roughly $99M USD now...?yes exactly $99 milfrom www.xe.com 1 CNY = 0.16 USD; so 619 X 0.16 = 99 USD Edited April 22, 2014 by ClarkKent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bapi Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Transcendence's opening weekend in China is lower than in North America? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archerdude Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 Transcendence's opening weekend in China is lower than in North America? Apparently, but not by much, definitely less than a million US$. Said pic dominated screen counts and had higher ticket prices as it was converted to 3D for China...something interesting as Chris Nolan who exec produced is known to be quite aversive to 3D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olive Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Tuesday est Demon.........8.5M.............66.2M Trans...........7.4M..............81M CA2.............7.3M.............627M Rio2............3.2M.............161M Edited April 22, 2014 by Olive 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted April 22, 2014 Share Posted April 22, 2014 (edited) Transcendence falling behind Demon and barely making more than Cap on its third Tuesay :lol:And congrats Cap for passing $100M! Edited April 22, 2014 by Sam 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Cain Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 I don't know Bob...not sure if DMG is being given too much credit here. They bungled Looper before and now Transcendence, and the former did have a vaunted holiday release date in the weeklong October holidays and the latter its supposed major push with Depp's visit (but then again as you reported, that actually went South with media outlets and fans). Also read avid Marvel fans pissed with the "Chinese elements" inserted into IM3 way back when, which proved unnecessary (it wasn't a co-pro) and really clunky/clumsy (not sure THAT helped with Marvel's branding among movie fans). I'm sure the one thing that Transcendence benefitted from was getting in, otherwise would have been a dicey proposition (same might be said re: Looper)...IM3 and the likes of TF4, I don't think any partners would have been necessary to get these in (not like they're stupid enough to shoot anything anti-Chinese in them to get banned), all signs point towards these movies being brought in anyway as part of the 34...like any Jurassic sequel, Spidey movie or a Jim Cameron directed movie...as long as nothing political in it (then again...Hunger Games movies are getting in, go figure, Panem = Beijing!) It'll be interesting to see what DMG does with the Gerard Butler remake of "Point Break." Archerdude, why do you say DMG bungled Looper? The producer is a friend of mine and he told me he was very happy with the China grosses. It earned 1/3 as much in China as it did in North America, which was a solid performance for 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ent Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 (edited) Tuesday est Demon.........8.5M.............66.2M Trans...........7.4M..............81M CA2.............7.3M.............627M Rio2............3.2M.............161M Olive, how many weeks will CA2 stay in theaters ? Edited April 23, 2014 by Ent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olive Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Olive, how much weeks will CA2 stays in theaters ? Until Spidey's arrival on May 4th, but it will lose many screens this weekend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexJoker Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 Until Spidey's arrival on May 4th, but it will lose many screens this weekend. Whats releasing this weekend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ent Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 So we are looking around $107 - $110M for CA2 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ent Posted April 23, 2014 Share Posted April 23, 2014 What's the predictions for TASM2 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Whats releasing this weekend? Two high profile ones Iceman 3D (Donnie Yen tentpole) and My Old Classmate (rom-com) both on 25th. So we are looking around $107 - $110M for CA2 ? probably What's the predictions for TASM2 ? 500~600m me thinks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Marvel Fanboy Posted April 23, 2014 Author Share Posted April 23, 2014 Some predictions for big releases in next two months: ---- 4.25 ---- Iceman ----- 400m~500m (big OW, huge 2nd week, horrible legs after holiday) movie is bad but it's got big cast one of the best dates out there. My Old Classmate ----- 200m (thanks to holiday) The Great Hypnotist ----- 400~500m (someone says it's very good a comedy and it stars Xu Zheng, so ...) ASM2 ------ 500~600M Coming Home ----- 300m+ (depending on quality/WOM) X-MEN ----- 500~600m Overheard 3 ---- 400m Godzilla ------ 800m~1B (depending on quality and competition) Edge of Tomorrow ----- 300~400m TF4 ----- 1.5B~2B (depending on quality) Dragon 2 ---- 400~500m (depending on quality) ---- protection month comes .... ---- 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...