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Just shows the difference in popularity that Star Wars has in North America compared to the rest of the world particularly Asia.

I think he meant worldwide.

Episode 16 was my favorite since Episode 8 but for completely different reasons

Reeves just had a poor choice of words that is all. And whether Affleck leaves or not they won't announce until after JL has come out so I'd stop worrying about films in "development" and look forward to ones that have release dates and are currently in production like Justice League and Aquaman. Judge DC for the films they ACTUALLY release.

Sure but that's not necessarily Marvel limiting the directors as much as who they're picking in the first place. The strengths of Joss Whedon, James Gunn and Shane Black aren't in their visual storytelling as much as their dialogue and their use of humor and subversion. But in saying that those three I mention definitely in their Marvel films have much in common with their previous work outside the MCU. And frankly this is all assuming that one singular vision = good and collaboration = bad. The truth is very much in between.

WB took the wrong lessons from the criticisms of BvS by trying to change the tone of the film instead of trying to flesh out the characters so those "big" moments like Superman's death or El Diablo's proclamation of the Squad being "family" feel earned and not forced. Which is why that No Man's Land scene in Wonder Woman works so well because it feels earned and in line with the character of Diana that was in the film. But I guess for SS it was too late to make any changes.

Definitely after that nasty 62% drop. Shows there's still growth left in the franchise.

To this day unadjusted for inflation (otherwise Madagascar beats Shrek Forever After) all four of the Shrek films are still the highest grossing Dreamworks films in North America. Despite other good franchises box office wise like Madagascar, Kung Fu Panda and How To Train Your Dragon they have never again reached the box office heights of those Shrek films. Even Worldwide Dreamworks hasn't had a film gross higher than Shrek Forever After which was way back in 2010. Which is why I think it's inevitable Shrek 5 will happen. And it also does make me curious as to how Illumination will do once they wind down the Despicable Me franchise.

Right it's like a team that is down 0-2 and comes back to win 3-2 in soccer. 3-2 is a good scoreline but it doesn't tell the story of how the team fell behind but recovered well to win.

So the average was $291.4M. Curious as to what was the Opening Weekend predictions?

Different scenarios. Batman's last two solo films had domestic grosses of $400M+ while Spider-Man's last two solo films have been nowhere near the $300M mark (though yes inflation does mean TASM would have made around $300M in today's numbers). Iron Man's appearance in Homecoming definitely boosted the Opening Weekend however it does little to help its subsequent legs. I wasn't here when Civil War had its box office run but I would imagine most would agree that one of the reasons it was so frontloaded was that it was basically sold to the public as an Avengers film (or at least a film with Iron Man as co-star). With the characters being known quantities at this point you're not going to win over that many new fans in the subsequent weeks. Big opening but big drop-off. (Which btw I fully expect for Infinity War and Avengers 4 too). We saw that with Homecoming too in its 2nd Weekend with that 62% drop-off because of fans rushing to see it opening weekend (even its opening weekend was frontloaded). But the fact it has rebounded quite considerably with better than average MCU legs despite having characters that have appeared in 5 plus films is a testament to the WoM. $320M was in line with people's predictions however if I were to guess I bet most people didn't have a 2.8x multiplier with that guess. And no after what BvS ended up with in North America only people who want to hate DC would consider $320M for Batman a failure unless it had a terrible box office multiplier.

Yep all Sony. Good attitude to have at least with the Venom movie they've gathered a good team to make a good film. Avi Arad will finally get his Venom film lol.

Yeah it's not like those words are describing the actual quality of the film. Wouldn't be surprised if Sony takes the wrong lessons from this success though. I'm still skeptical about how well their non-MCU Spider-Man films will do.

Batman's solo films has been way more spaced out than Spider-Man's films plus Batman is coming off the acclaimed TDK Trilogy which two of those films did $400M+ while Spider-Man came off TASM 2 which did $200M. I think the appetite for another solo Batman film is bigger than the appetite was for another solo Spider-Man film. But yes let's not overestimate this film nor be disappointed if it only grosses $300M domestic and $800M worldwide. Like the Raimi films will be the peak of Spider-Man in North America chances are Batman will never again reach the heights of TDK and TDKR in North America. And there's nothing wrong with that. As far as Homecoming it is hyperbole to call its run outstanding or amazing but I do think people are underplaying how well its recovered after that 62% weekend drop which a number of people were claiming it meant Homecoming would not reach $300M domestic. A 2.7x multiplier for a film that has very well known characters is very good indeed.

2018 is better with The Incredibles 2, Wreck it Ralph 2, Hotel Transylvania 3,Dr Seuss' How the Grinch Stole Christmas and the animated Spider-Man film. 2019 however could easily reach the heights of 2016 with The Lego Movie 2, How To Train Your Dragon 3, Toy Story 4, The Secret Life of Pets 2, Angry Birds 2 and of course Frozen 2.

True Finding Dory was the highest and it only made $38M. Not sure it'll improve with the next couple of films being sequels though I guess The Incredibles 2 might do decent numbers being more action orientated.

Was it released in China? BoxOfficeMojo isn't showing the China total. And its Japan run has only been 2 weeks. Though it is funny how nobody has bothered to care that Cars 3 is underperforming.

I actually don't really see how $300M is possible with Justice League two weeks away. TDW did $206M which had Catching Fire in its 2nd Weekend

Despicable Me 3 should end up as the highest grossing film worldwide of the summer. Chances that its overall gross will beat Cars 3 and Coco combined?

Which will be over-predicted more Thor: Ragnarok or JL?

Oh haha well it's a good point to repeat. While I wouldn't call SMH's legs outstanding I do think it's recovered well after that 62% drop which put the question as to whether it was gonna reach $300M.

True though they're giving him the best opportunity with SMH 2 being the first movie post-Avengers 4 with the aftermath of whatever madness happens in that film. Sony has been down this road with TASM series and we all saw what happened.

Long Term putting Spider-Man in high school will be the best decision they could have made. Sony and Marvel have an actor they can use for 10+ years that can also become the new face of the MCU once RDJ's Iron Man is retired. Now that I'm thinking about it the decision to have an older Batman while short term may make for a more interesting take on the Batman story it also means fairly soon (ignoring all rumors of Affleck's imminent departure) WB is going to think about a succession plan. And will the general public be interested in an non-Bruce Wayne Batman? Interesting times ahead.

Probably because it was the last Marvel May release but your right GOTG Vol 2 is a different beast. Vol 2 is behaving like your more traditional sequel that has good reviews and WOM while Civil War despite the glowing reviews and positive audience response was always going to be very frontloaded being a film with Iron Man and most of the the other Avengers. Bigger opening but bigger drop off.