MovieMan89

Wow, this is sounding more like a box office failure by the day. Really wish I could revise my winter game prediction, which I had already adjusted significantly down.

Isn't the book kinda out there too though? Haven't read it, but I didn't think it was exactly conventional...

I meant more on a personal level, not filmmaker. Although I know you don't actually know him, but you get what I mean. We develop opinions on celebrities from a personal standpoint, whether they're justified or not.

I know you hate PJ and all, but he did kind of have a right to do what he wanted with the films. LOTR was what it was because of him, and both sets of films were only made in the first place because of him. It's kind of a Lucas PT situation (except that Lucas wasn't nearly as essential to the OT's success as PJ to LOTR's). Better choices could've been made, but in the end it's their babies.

Lol, but in all seriousness I always figured it had to do with PJ wanting the 3 film split, and GDT insisting on the original 2 movie plan. So GDT got the boot.

You mean the use of "All I Do is Win Win Win" in the trailer didn't tip ya off to what they're going for here?

So are you implying that you know of this "behind the scenes" story not made public?

I can see it going as low as 200 DOM, so yeah it could miss 1b WW. That will require a worst case scenario DOM though, so probably will make 1b.

Which is why I'm saying there will be no more big budgets for GDT until he starts small and builds himself back up again. Which sucks because out of all the directors who can best use a big budget to their film's advantage, I'd say he would be near the top. PJ should've gotten over himself and let him do The Hobbit. Things almost surely would've turned out better from a success standpoint for both directors.

The movie was stunning in IMAX. It is a real shame out of all the directors to get big budgets taken away from them it's gonna be GDT. The man really knows how to make big, amazing looking spectacle with the money. I also thought it was very respectable from a non-visual standpoint too. Good acting, decent script, predictable but decent plot saved by good execution. I have no idea why they thought marketing it as straight up horror was a good idea though. I can just imagine the confounded reactions from the teens, out for their cheap thrill Halloween horror flick, when they were presented with a full blown period piece romance film in that first act. If anything, they should've taken more of The Others approach to marketing. Present it as a much more adult and dramatic psychological thriller. Instead they seemed bent on marketing it to compete with the like of Paranormal 5, and of course that audience would hate it. Terrible decision on their part.

"Originally" as in way back in the pre-production days? Cause not buying that otherwise...

Burnt looks like it was lucky to avoid DTV status, let alone be "failed oscar bait." As for Crisis, Bullock would be the only reason to suspect they ever had any hopes for awards with it. But not like anything she does is Oscar bait though.

Hmm, I expected the Burnt and Crisis numbers to be swapped for the weekend, but I guess theater count wins out in the end. I knew though that Bullock had zero draw power in a movie as unappealing as Crisis. There's no such thing as draw power when your movie looks universally toilet-esque.

Tarzan will be a catastrophe. I don't even see OS doing anything for it.

Agreed. It may be a month old, but it will still be infinitely more appealing than Alvin.

In a lot of ways there's a perfect storm of the opposite nature for this movie. I can see it doing worse than any of our expectations. Marketing has been a shell of Skyfall's brilliant campaign, reviews are ho-hum, all anyone wants to talk about is Star Wars right now, and besides that MJ2 and TGD could be dominating the box office by Thanksgiving giving it virtually no opportunity for legs. If this doesn't at least open within earshot of Skyfall, I'd expect the worst.

Spectre is sure to drop 55-60% second weekend. So it could be as low as 30m if it only opens in the 70's. Peanuts will also be sub 30 that weekend. Exciting numbers by this weekend's standards I suppose, but not by most. The other two will for sure be boring weekends.

Say what now? Just this year alone the 11/13, 12/4, and 12/11 weekends say hi.

That's actually an amazing number for Scouts compared to the sub 500k OW I was expecting. What an accomplishment, it won't have the worst wide release ever! Burnt may still be in contention for Hoot's 3000+ record with that late night though. Remember, the last time Halloween was on a Saturday movies decreased or barely increased on Sat. So Friday will be making up the bulk of the gross this weekend.

It would be a miracle if Scouts finished with any of those movie website OW predictions, let alone opened to that.

Creed should be making 65-80m, however they need to get it together with the marketing for it. I would have no idea of the film's existence if not for these boards.

Very impressive for the UK. Still not feeling the hype domestically though. I'm inclined to agree with Jayhawk's predictions at the moment. Maybe a little higher for me, like 88/250.

I mean, not really. Take JW, Minions, and HT2...all fantastic opportunities to attach the teaser/trailer to. And they did when I saw them. I've also seen it with Ant Man and Maze Runner to name a couple other decent grossers it was with. I'm sure most Pan and Goosebumps screenings have it too, which those two will at least combine for 100m+ of audience. Then finally, there's Peanuts. I'm sure most kids who've seen a movie since IO have gotten the trailer attached.

Hey jajang, why isn't my week 1 score factored into the rankings? It's 25k, you can see it on the previous page when chasmmi did the week 1 scores.

Well Blue Sky loves being average, so it's not like this was ever guaranteed to be great. It will probably land in the 65-75% range most of their stuff does.