Taruseth Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Aristis said: 2nd Trend: Geheimnis 725k (-22%/-30%) Joker 225k (-43%) Zombieland2 150k Maleficent2 90k (-49%) Addams Family 70k (-52%) Terminator 55k (-53%) So Joker was over predicted a bit as was Geheimnis, none the less, now Joker is exactly at where I thought it would need to be for 4M (even though I had hopes for a little higher weekend), so I still think it will get to 4M but I doubt much past that. Geheimnis with that 2nd weekend still barely would have the 2nd biggest 2nd weekend this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giesi Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 How are pre-sales looking for TROS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 54 minutes ago, Giesi said: How are pre-sales looking for TROS? Depends, but overall I'd say pretty good. Haven't taken a detailed look though and haven't counted at any cinema, mostly because I have no comps out that far, though if I find the time I most likely will just compare it to final sales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainbug Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 9 hours ago, Giesi said: How are pre-sales looking for TROS? Compared to TLJ at my theater, its very close, but not as amazing. Still very very good though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 3rd trend is rather awful: Geheimnis: 675k (-27%) Joker: 195k (-51%) Recep Ivedik 6: 140k Zombieland: 130k Maleficent: 75k (-57% ouch) Addams Family: 70k (-52%) Dark Fate: 50k (-57%) Lara: 37.5k Midway: 35k IwnniNY: 32.5k (-57%) Parasite: 27.5k (-40%) Shaun: 25k (-63%) Mhh, makes getting much past 4M harder for both. 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainbug Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Taruseth said: 3rd trend is rather awful: Geheimnis: 675k (-27%) Joker: 195k (-51%) Recep Ivedik 6: 140k Zombieland: 130k Maleficent: 75k (-57% ouch) Addams Family: 70k (-52%) Dark Fate: 50k (-57%) Lara: 37.5k Midway: 35k IwnniNY: 32.5k (-57%) Parasite: 27.5k (-40%) Shaun: 25k (-63%) Mhh, makes getting much past 4M harder for both. Ah, Germany back at beeing Germany again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feanor Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Das Perfekte Geheimnis has now passed the 2M mark in terms of admissions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted November 12, 2019 Author Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) Germany's Top20 last weekend: title adm. th. PTA total adm. total € drop week 1 Das perfekte Geheimnis 684.809 769 891 1.958.412 17.517.863 -26 2 2 Joker 200.923 670 300 3.496.812 32.427.620 -49 5 3 Recep Ivedik 6 147.257 119 1.237 147.257 1.276.513 - 1 4 Zombieland 2 115.659 343 337 150.548 1.270.074 - 1 5 Maleficent 2 83.149 445 187 902.854 8.782.805 -52 4 6 The Addams Family 70.274 536 131 372.830 2.759.513 -52 3 7 Terminator - Dark Fate 49.440 491 101 383.587 3.543.174 -58 3 8 Midway 36.988 356 101 36.988 348.638 - 1 9 Ich war noch niemals in New York 35.371 443 80 450.396 3.900.924 -53 4 10 Lara 33.242 83 401 41.321 332.288 - 1 11 Shaun the Sheep 2 29.542 586 50 782.479 5.303.877 -56 7 12 Parasite 27.993 146 192 252.489 2.216.141 -40 4 13 Bayala 23.332 383 61 127.677 858.371 -51 3 14 Der letzte Bulle 22.242 155 143 33.559 270.886 - 1 15 Abominable 19.658 403 49 536.340 3.810.943 -50 7 16 Angry Birds 2 19.434 360 54 725.369 5.086.449 -53 8 17 7. Kogustaki Mucize 19.218 95 202 244.614 2.132.282 -66 5 18 Dora and the Golden City 16.497 325 51 250.222 1.701.509 -56 5 19 Systemsprenger 16.091 360 45 485.652 3.185.676 -28 8 20 Haunt 12.106 232 52 78.922 661.208 -74 2 Ok weekend but with steeper drops than expected. At this rate, Joker might yet miss the 4mil total mark (still, what a success!). Next weekend: The Irishman, Last Christmas, Ford vs Ferrari, Booksmart, Black And Blue, My Zoe, plus some more - a LOT of releases but #1 should be very very safe with the domestic comedy. Among openers, the christmas comedy is probably the biggest hope for a new #2. Edited November 12, 2019 by IndustriousAngel 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 (edited) The Thursday estimates from InsideKino see another great drop for the local Geheimnis (66k, -21% from LW estimates) and again a rather mediocre hold for Joker (16k, -38% from LW estimates). Combined with a bit better numbers from the other report Geheimnis should get to 60k+ (-20% from LW Thursday actual) and maybe 550k WE (applying same IM as LW). Joker would indeed reach around 16k and 125k WE. As for Geheimnis that would be great, it just needs 565k+ for the best 3rd WE of the year. But I hope Joker might do more than that... Edited November 14, 2019 by Aristis 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Aristis said: The Thursday estimates from InsideKino see another great drop for the local Geheimnis (66k, -21% from LW estimates) and again a rather mediocre hold for Joker (16k, -38% from LW estimates). Combined with a bit better numbers from the other report Geheimnis should get to 60k+ (-20% from LW Thursday actual) and maybe 550k WE (applying same IM as LW). Joker would indeed reach around 16k and 125k WE. As for Geheimnis that would be great, it just needs 565k+ for the best 3rd WE of the year. But I hope Joker might do more than that... Thursday actuals: Geheimnis 62k // €550k / $605k (-19%) Joker 17k // €150k / $165k (-35%) Last Christmas 13,5k // €110k / $120k Le Mans 66 11k // €105k / $115k Edited November 15, 2019 by Aristis 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) 1st Trend: Geheimnis 575k (-16%) 2,74M - biggest 3rd WE of the year topping TLK 565k Last Christmas 150k Joker 140k (-30%) 3,69M Le Mans 66 105k Zombieland 2 95k (-18%/-37%) 275k Recep Ivedik 6 75k (-49%) 255k Edited November 15, 2019 by Aristis 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Monday numbers: There weren't much changes over the WE frame Geheimnis 580k (-15%) 2,74M - biggest 3rd WE of the year, topping TLK 565k Joker 142,5k (-29%) 3,7M Last Christmas 130k (160k i.P.) Le Mans 66 / FvF 95k (110k i.P.) Recep Ivedik 6 92,5k (-37%) 272,5k Zombieland 2 90k (-22%/-40%) 272,5k Maleficent 2 60k (-28%) 980k Addams Family 60k (-14%) 440k The Top10 are down 28% compared to one year ago (FB2 opens to 995k). I hope F2 this week changes that... 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted November 19, 2019 Author Share Posted November 19, 2019 Germany's Top20 last weekend: title admissions th. PTA total adm. total € drop week 1 Das perfekte Geheimnis 586.966 790 743 2.747.556 24.486.079 -14 3 2 Joker 145.354 630 231 3.699.370 34.283.193 -28 6 3 Last Christmas 128.823 490 263 169.872 1.422.891 - 1 4 Recep Ivedik 6 95.877 127 755 275.665 2.347.098 -35 2 5 Ford vs. Ferrari 92.826 362 256 109.596 1.058.911 - 1 6 Zombieland 2 91.745 380 241 273.545 2.315.598 -21 2 7 The Addams Family 62.165 555 112 442.617 3.252.888 -12 4 8 Maleficent 2 61.927 443 140 983.203 9.517.410 -26 5 9 Lara 30.415 99 307 89.815 727.117 -9 2 10 Shaun the Sheep 2 29.934 553 54 814.667 5.510.780 +1 8 11 Ich war noch niemals in New York 25.920 422 61 491.810 4.241.698 -27 5 12 Terminator - Dark Fate 25.000 329 76 424.758 3.913.060 -49 4 13 Parasite 23.984 157 153 288.803 2.532.015 -14 5 14 Angry Birds 2 20.366 313 65 747.448 5.235.127 +5 9 15 Abominable 19.071 359 53 556.619 3.945.640 -3 8 16 Midway 17.844 344 52 69.554 637.040 -52 2 17 Bayala 16.817 290 58 147.033 988.176 -28 4 18 Systemsprenger 16.300 313 52 519.932 4.061.031 +1 9 19 7. Kogustaki Mucize 14.581 70 208 264.964 2.309.733 -24 6 20 Dora and the Golden City 13.868 282 49 265.300 1.801.837 -16 6 Nive overall weekend, no big openers but beautiful holds and even increases for family releases. The domestic comedy scored the highest 3rd weekend of the year, perfect WOM obviously. Next weekend: The big opener is Frozen2, presales look a bit lackluster but that's perfectly normal for family fare. #1 should be no problem but can it get to 1mil OW? With a target demo that young, frontloadedness will be a smaller factor than with other releases - otoh you'd be hard pressed to spot a girl NOT wearing and/or using some Frozen merchandise, this must be the most-merchandised title in recent history. However it opens, this will work its way up the 2019 charts throughout December … A completely different audience gets targeted by Doctor Sleep which might become #2 (especially as it will eat into Joker's demo …) 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 17 hours ago, IndustriousAngel said: Next weekend: The big opener is Frozen2, presales look a bit lackluster but that's perfectly normal for family fare. #1 should be no problem but can it get to 1mil OW? With a target demo that young, frontloadedness will be a smaller factor than with other releases - otoh you'd be hard pressed to spot a girl NOT wearing and/or using some Frozen merchandise, this must be the most-merchandised title in recent history. However it opens, this will work its way up the 2019 charts throughout December … A completely different audience gets targeted by Doctor Sleep which might become #2 (especially as it will eat into Joker's demo …) Everything less than 1M would be disappointing to me (especially since it's 5-day). But I hope for 4-day 1M+... As for Doctor Sleep: It won't become 2nd - Geheimnis is still very strong. The best it might hope for is 3rd, and seeing the results in other countries even that isn't safe... Also it opens in only 330 theaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted November 20, 2019 Author Share Posted November 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, Aristis said: As for Doctor Sleep: It won't become 2nd - Geheimnis is still very strong. The best it might hope for is 3rd, and seeing the results in other countries even that isn't safe... Also it opens in only 330 theaters. Sorry my mistake, of course I meant #3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Frozen opened to 572k (654k i.P.) in 629 theaters and went on to 4,77M admissions - an awesome multipler of more than 8x. Biggest CGI animation: Nr. Admissions € Theatres OWeek 1 Finding Nemo 8.839.084 46.360.180 1.049 2.588.509 20.11.2003 2 Ice Age 2 8.747.671 48.754.480 1.111 3.612.053 06.04.2006 3 Ice Age 3 8.709.881 56.530.290 875 2.248.629 01.07.2009 4 Ice Age 7.299.318 39.212.946 875 2.174.580 21.03.2002 5 Minions 6.945.769 57.929.442 803 1.353.739 02.07.2015 6 Madagascar 6.720.790 35.110.604 861 2.000.100 14.07.2005 7 Ice Age 4 6.700.208 52.041.305 825 1.497.726 02.07.2012 8 Ratatouille 6.116.087 34.026.400 860 1.232.969 03.10.2007 9 Madagascar 2 6.070.690 34.544.335 841 1.793.367 04.12.2008 10 The Lion King 5.532.461 50.819.752 769 1.379.689 17.07.2019 11 Shrek 2 5.322.586 27.920.179 895 1.815.591 01.07.2004 12 Frozen 1 4.766.871 35.762.932 791 778.397 28.11.2013 13 Despicable Me 3 4.651.715 37.923.183 782 1.245.812 06.07.2017 14 Madagascar 3 3.973.140 30.542.221 748 1.102.554 02.10.2012 15 Tangled 3.936.183 31.140.234 612 731.080 09.12.2010 http://www.insidekino.de/DJahr/Dcgi.htm Frozen still has the 9th biggest 5th WE and Week (down just 6% from OW and OWeek) 5th WE WE Theaters 1 967.139 809 Titanic 98 2 800.703 662 TLK 94 3 636.281 648 Aladdin 93 4 598.175 738 Avatar 10 5 582.867 1.152 HP1 01 6 575.886 645 Jurassic Park 93 7 566.862 768 Intouchables 12 8 555.368 1.070 LOTR1 02 9 540.149 791 Frozen 1 13 10 529.804 868 ID 96 5th Week Week Theaters 1 1.304.338 809 Titanic 98 2 1.054.262 662 TLK 94 3 861.418 1.152 HP1 01 4 832.417 648 Aladdin 93 5 816.879 738 Avatar 10 6 778.191 645 Jurassic Park 93 7 762.943 768 Intouchables 12 8 742.477 671 Manitu 01 9 734.196 791 Frozen 1 13 10 721.385 1.070 LOTR1 02 And the 8th biggest 6th WE 6th WE WE Theaters 1 853.614 808 Titanic 98 2 787.035 1.152 HP1 01 3 593.283 665 Avatar 10 4 548.991 671 TLK 94 5 478.577 769 Intouchables 12 6 437.179 507 Schindlers List 94 7 433.915 647 Jurassic Park 93 8 401.666 750 Frozen 1 13 9 389.831 994 Finding Nemo 03 10 379.659 504 Home Alone 91 http://www.insidekino.de/DJahr/DBOWochenrekorde.htm Frozen 2 opens in 743 theatres now. Funny thing that I just saw, Finding Nemo opened the same day 16 years ago (20.11.2003) - that has to be a good sign 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Wednesday evening and night showings: CineStar Bremen 3D 20:00: 69 / 572 2D 19:30: 154 / 425 Total: 223 / 997 CinemaxX Bremen OV 3D 19:30: 29 / 297 3D 20:00: 36 / 342 3D 23:00: 4 / 342 Total: 69 / 981 Cinestar Metropolis Frankfurt 2D 19:30: 134 / 624 3D OV 20:00: 111 / 344 3D 20:15: 80 / 642 3D 22:15: 13 / 624 3D OV 22:45: 4 / 344 Total: 342 / 2578 Total: 634 / 4556 I know, that I had planned and I think even wrote it, to count Frozen 2, but I didn't have the time to count, so here is a quick count for the 3 normal cinemas - the difference between CinemaxX and Cinestar in Bremen is kinda worrying. But Wednesday should be the second weakest day of the opening weekend (tomorrow should be the weakest) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) MarkG from InsideKino wrote that first numbers indicate the OD for Frozen2 could top TLK (with 70% of the country having holiday compared to 20% now). TLK opened to 208k so we should have 200k+. Top OD 2019: A:EG 462k TLK 208k F2 200k+ Geheimnis 165k (after 120k previews) Joker 140k (after 100k previews) CM 125k IT2 100k (after 40k previews) Edited November 20, 2019 by Aristis 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poseidon Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Frozen 2 might be on its way to double the first ones opening. I hope this fall is able to change something in the heads of german audiences in the long run. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Aristis said: MarkG from InsideKino wrote that first numbers indicate the OD for Frozen2 could top TLK (with 70% of the country having holiday compared to 20% now). TLK opened to 208k so we should have 200k+. Top OD 2019: A:EG 662k TLK 208k F2 200k+ A:EG was 462k. 200k sounds really good, who had holiday apart from Saxony though? Like it should have a shot at a 1M 4-day opening and hopefully a total close to the first. Edited November 20, 2019 by Taruseth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...