Brunook Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 (edited) At a time when Brazilian national cinema is down, seeing Minha Vida em Marte (My life on Mars) going super good is phenomenal. Okay, it's a comedy and this is the only genre that Brazilians like about national films, but it's nice to see they still have good box office. Edited January 18, 2019 by Brunook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 I'm totally shocked, I had no idea How To Train Your Dragon 3 was releasing! That's gonna be a harsh competition for Ralph 2, if I had known I wouldn't have expected it to reach Moana's numbers, it's gonna be hard now, hope it can hold on.. Aquaman seems to have taken a big hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Brunook said: At a time when Brazilian national cinema is down, seeing Minha Vida em Marte (My life on Mars) going super good is phenomenal. Okay, it's a comedy and this is the only genre that Brazilians like about national films, but it's nice to see they still have good box office. The Brazilians remind me of the French somehow : good at doing comedies but terrible for the rest, it's more accentuated for Brazilians though given the French try other things but with a mixed reception. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 Biggest Opening Weekends in Brazil in local currency Avengers Infinity War : 65.2m Justice League : 46.4m Captain America Civil War : R$43.8m Batman vs Superman : 40.6m Fast&Furious 8 : 38.1m Fast&Furious 7 : 38.1m The Avengers 2 : 37.9m Twilight BD Part 2 : 37.4m Suicide Squad : 35.5m Beauty and the Beast 2017 : 34.2m Star Wars Episode VII : 33m Black Panther : 31m Spider-Man Homecoming : 29.6m Aquaman : 28.4m Thor 3 : 26.6m Despicable Me 3 : 26.2m Nada a Perder : 26.1m Logan : 25.8m The Nun : 25.6m Iron Man 3 : 25.5m The Incredibles 2 : 25.2m Deadpool : 25.2m The Amazing Spider-Man 2 : 24.6m Os Dez Mandamentos : 24.6m Finding Dory : 24.4m Wonder Woman : 24m Jurassic World : 23.9m The Hunger Games Mockingjay Part 1 : 23.7m Star Wars Episode VIII : 23.6m Fifty Shades of Grey : 23.1m Fifty Shades of Grey 2 : 23m Minions : 23m Fantastic Beasts : 22m Guardians of the Galaxy 2 : 21.8m The Avengers : 21.7m Deadpool 2 : 21.6m The Hunger Games Mockingjay Part 2 : 21.1m X-Men Apocalypse : 20.6m Noah : 20.1m I added Aquaman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 Blue Sky Animation movies in Brazil (in USD) Ice Age 3 : 45.4m Ice Age 4 : 44.5m Rio : 33.6m Rio 2 : 28.5m Ice Age 5 : 25m Ice Age 2 : 19.9 Ferdinand : 14.4m Epic : 8m The Peanuts Movie : 7.9m Ice Age : 5.6m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) How important Brazil is for Hollywood movies (in USD)? Let's see this with the global ranks.Brazil is,for now,the 10th biggest BO market,so anything between the 10th and 7th was more or less in sync with the size of the market. Anything beyond 7th overperformed. PS: This is only a comparison with other overseas markets, North America is not taken into account here. OVERPERFORMING MOVIES -Rio: 1st,Brazil was its biggest market -The Fault in our Stars : 1st -Rio 2 : Brazil = 2nd biggest market behind China -Justice league: 2nd, behind China -Wonder Woman: 2nd, behind China -Twilight BD2 : 2nd,behind UK -Furious 8 : 2nd -The Avengers : 3rd market,behind China and UK. Aquaman : 3rd behind China and South Korea -The Avengers Infinity War : 4th -Captain America Civil War: 4th -Black Panther: 4th -Beauty and the Beast 2017 : 4th -Iron Man 3 : 4th biggest -Captain America 2 : 4th biggest -X-Men DOFP : 4th -Ice Age 3 : 4th -Thor Ragnarok: 4th -Spider-Man Homecoming: 4th -Shrek 4 : 4th -Wreck-It Ralph : 4th -Furious 7 : 4th -The Avengers 2 : 5th -The Amazing Spiderman : 5th biggest -Finding Dory -Moana : 5th -Tangled : 5th -Despicable Me 3 : 6th -Ice Age 4 : 6th -Madagascar 3 : 6th IN LINE WITH THE CURRENT SIZE OF THE MARKET -Star Wars The Last Jedi: 8th -Guardians of the Galaxy 2: 7th -Star Wars The Force Awakens : 8th -Rogue One : 8th -The Hobbit 2 : 10th UNDERPERFORMING MOVIES -Frozen : 11th -Avatar : 11th -Transformers 3 : 11th I added Aquaman! Edited January 19, 2019 by Fullbuster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 BIGGEST MOVIES OF ALL TIME IN LOCAL CURRENCY (AS OF JANUARY 2019) THE AVENGERS INFINITY WAR: R$235m The Avengers 2 : R$146m The Incredibles 2 : R$143.7m Captain America Civil War : R$143m Fast&Furious 7 : R$142m Fast&Furious 8 : R$132.7m Batman vs Superman : R$132.6m Beauty and the Beast 2017 : R$130.2m The Avengers : R$129.6m Despicable Me 3 : R$127m Justice League : R$124.5m Minha Mãe É Uma Peça 2 - O Filme : R$124.2m Black Panther : R$121.5m Minions : R$120m Nada A Perder : R$119m Suicide Squad : R$118m Os Dez Mandamentos - O Filme : R$116m Finding Dory : R$113.5m Star Wars The Force Awakens : R$109m Wonder Woman : R$109m Tropa de Elite 2 : R$103m Avatar : R$102m Spider-Man Homecoming : R$102m Twilight BD2 : R$101m Thor Ragnarok : R$99.9m I added Nada A Perder, The Incredibles 2. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 2017 TOP MOVIES IN ADMISSIONS (AS OF JANUARY 2018) 1. Despicable me 3 = 8.970.000 2. Justice League = 8,632,000 3. The Fate of the Furious = 8.505.038 4. Beauty and the Beast = 8.289.228 5. Wonder Woman = 7.038.639 6. Spider-Man Homecoming = 6.685.000 7. Wonder = 6,591,000 8. Logan = 6.434.801 9. Thor Ragnarok = 6,371,000 10. Moana= 5,129,602 11. The Shack= 5,117,000 12. Fifty Shades Darker= 4.609.994 13. IT = 4,439,000 14. Guardians of the Galaxy 2= 4.181.125 15. Pirates of the Caribbean 5 = 3,654,000 16. Star Wars The Last Jedi = 3,519,000 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 Box Office Brazil Top All-Time in US Dollars (As of January 2019) Titanic (+Titanic 3D) : 75.5m The Avengers Infinity War : 66.7m The Avengers : 63.9m Tropa de Elite 2 : 62.9m Avatar : 58m Twilight BD2 : 54.2m Iron Man 3 : 47.9m The Avengers Age of Ultron : 47.85m Furious 7 : 46.6m Ice Age 3 : 45.4m Ice Age 4 : 44.5m Fate of the Furious : 41.8m Beauty and the Beast (2017) : 41.5m Captain America Civil War : 40.5m Shrek 4 : 40m Despicable Me 3 : 39m Justice League : 38.1m The Incredibles 2 : 37.6m Batman vs Superman: 37.6m Minions : 37.5m Black Panther: 36.9m Suicide Squad : 36.6m Harry Potter DH2 : 35.7m Despicable Me 2 : 35.5m I added The Incredibles 2 and updated Infinity War (up). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 Dreamworks Animation movies in Brazil (in USD) Shrek 4 : 40m Madagascar 3 : 28.6m How to Train Your Dragon 2 : 24.8m Puss in Boots : 24.5m Kung Fu Panda 2 : 19.7m Shrek 3 : 18.6m Madagascar 2 : 17m Kung Fu Panda : 16.3m The Croods : 15.2m The Boss Baby: 14.8m Rise of the Guardians : 12.5m Madagascar : 11.7m How to Train Your Dragon : 11.4m Megamind : 10.3m Shrek 2 : 9.5m Trolls: 7.4m Home : 7.1m Over the hedge : 7.1m Monsters vs Aliens : 7m Bee Movie : 6.7m Kung Fu Panda 3 : 6.6m Mr Peabody and Sherman : 6.4m Turbo : 5.3m Shrek : 4.6m Shark Tale : 4.5m EVERYONE: This list was created in 2014 and not updated since then, so I have the pleasure to announce you it's finally done, adding movies such as Trolls, Home, The Boss Baby and Kung Fu Panda 3. Next update: When How To Train Your Dragon 3 releases in March 2019, this one could be pretty big. Harry Potter / Potterverse in Brazil (in USD) Harry Potter 8 $35.7m Harry Potter 7 $23.9m Harry Potter 6 $20.2m Fantastic Beasts $19.5m Harry Potter 5 $17.5m Harry Potter 4 $13.7m Harry Potter 1 $9.7m Harry Potter 3 $6.9m Harry Potter 2 $6.0m Same here, not updated in a while so I added Fantastic Beasts HARRY POTTER / POTTERVERSE MOVIES IN LOCAL CURRENCY Fantastic Beasts : R$64.5m Harry Potter 8 : 57.1m Harry Potter 7 : 39.1m Harry Potter 6 : 36.2m Harry Potter 5 : 31.8m Harry Potter 4 : 30.3m Harry Potter 3 : 21.5m Harry Potter 2 : 22.96m Harry Potter 1 : 22.90m Pirates of the Caribbean in Brazil (in USD) Pirates of the Caribbean : Not available Pirates of the Caribbean 2 : 10.8m Pirates of the Caribbean 3 : 15.7m Pirates of the Caribbean 4 : 30.4m Pirates of the Caribbean 5 : 16.7m YEARLY ADMISSIONS IN BRAZIL 2001 : 75 million admissions 2002 : 91m 2003 : 105m 2004 : 117m 2005 : 94m 2006 : 90m 2007 : 89.3m 2008 : 89.1m 2009 : 113m 2010 : 135m 2011 : 142m 2012 : 149m 2013 : 151m 2014 : 157m 2015 : 171m 2016: 185m 2017: 183m Box Office Brazil Horror Movies (in USD) IT = 19.9m Annabelle = 16.3m World War Z = 14.7m The Conjuring 2 = 13.6m Annabelle Creation = 12.8m Resident Evil Retribution = 9.8m Resident Evil Afterlife = 9.5m The Conjuring = 7.8m Rings = 6.8m Paranormal Activity 4 = 6m Underworld Awakening = 5.7m Final Destination 5 = 5.2m Paranormal Activity The Marked Ones = 5.11m Paranormal Activity 3 = 5.1m Paranormal Activity = 4.9m Dark Shadows = 4.9m A Haunted House = 4.9m Scream 4 = 4.6m The Final Destionation = 4.5m Happy Death Day = 4.3m Saw 3D = 4.25m Paranormal Activity 2 = 4.2m Resident Evil Extinction = 3.8m Mama = 3.76m Saw 4 = 3.7m Don't Breathe = 3.2m Alien Covenant = 3m Carrie = 2.8m Jigsaw = 2.6m Warm Bodies = 2.5m Resident Evil Apocalypse = 2.4m Evil Dead = 2m Insidious 2 = 1.8m OUIJA 2 = 1.8m Get Out = 1.7m A Haunted House 2 = 1.6m Underworld Rise of the Lycans = 1.4m Insidious = 0.9m Oculus = 0.86m Silent Hill = 0.6m Zombieland = 0.4m Jennifer's Body = 0.39m The Purge = 0.2m I added many movies, the damn list hasn't been updated since early 2014. Since then IT came and destroyed everything else 😛 OPENING WEEKEND NUMBERS FOR COMICBOOK MOVIES (IN ADMISSIONS AND WITHOUT PREVIEWS) The Avengers Infinity War : 3.654.770 Justice League : 2.685.000 Captain America Civil War : 2,653,670 Batman vs Superman : 2,395,269 The Avengers Age of Ultron : 2,372,992 Suicide Squad : 2,112,000 Iron Man 3 : 1.837.064 Spider-Man Homecoming : 1.715.000 Black Panther : 1.707.000 Deadpool : 1.700.000 The Amazing Spiderman 2 : 1,664,000 Logan : 1.639.000 The Avengers : 1.638.294 Aquaman : 1,583,000 Thor The Dark World : 1.522.000 Wonder Woman : 1.358.000 Deadpool 2 : 1.327.000 X-Men Apocalypse : 1,296,000 X-Men Days of Future Past : 1,270,000 Thor The Dark World : 1.217.390 Guardians of the Glaxy 2 : 1.193.000 Doctor Strange : 1.152.000 Batman The Dark Knight Rises : 1.143.857 The Amazing Spiderman : 985.963 The Wolverine : 973,000 The Guardians of the Galaxy : 850,079 Fantastic Four 2015 : 687,826 Man of Steel : 677,000 Big Hero 6 : 494.226 I added Avengers 3, Logan, Doctor Strange,Deadpool 2, Spider-Man Homecoming, Wonder Woman, Justice League, Thor 3, Logan and Black Panther. Yep, didn't edit it for a while ^^ BRAZIL BOX OFFICE REVENUES 2006 : $351m 2007 : $360m 2008 : $369m 2009 : $490m 2010 : $637m 2011 : $727m 2012 : $732m 2013 : $795m 2014 : $830m 2015 : $500m 2016 : $784m 2017 : $844m 2017 was the highest level ever in USD but with the current exchange rate I'm not sure 2018 will increase in USD...in local currency it's pretty sure though. BRAZIL BOX OFFICE REVENUES (in local currency) 2015: R$2.3B 2016: R$2.6B 2017: R$2.7B BIGGEST ANIMATED MOVIES IN LOCAL CURRENCY (BRAZILIAN REAIS -> R$) (2000-2018) The Incredibles 2 : R$143.7m Despicable Me 3: R$125.9m Minions : R$120m Finding Dory : R$113.4m Ice Age 4 : R$94.7m Ice Age 3 : R$81.1m Despicable Me 2 : R$80.5m Hotel Transylvania 3 : R$73.7m Moana: R$71.8m Ice Age 5 : R$71.2m Shrek 4 : R$70.5m Moana : R$69.8m Rio : R$68.8m Rio 2 : R$64.7m Pets : R$62m Madagascar 3 : R$58.9m How To Train Your Dragon 2 : R$56.1m The Smurfs : R$52.1m The Good Dinosaur : $48.3m Spongebob : R$48.1m Frozen : R$47.5m Ferdinand : R$46.9m Boss Baby : R$45.9m Inside Out : R$45.6m Ice Age 2 : R$42.8m Wreck-It Ralph : R$42.7m Toy Story 3 : R$42m Tangled : R$39.8m Alvin & The Chipmunks 3 : R$39.8m Zootopia : R$38.6m Monsters University : R$37.3m Brave : R$37.2m Shrek 3 : R$35.7m Big Hero 6 : R$34.5m The Croods : R$33.6m Cars 2 : R$33.5m The Smurfs 2 : R$32.5m Kung Fu Panda 2 : R$31.3m Hotel Transylvania : R$31.1m Coco: R$29.2m Shrek 2 : R$29m Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs 2 : R$28.4m Madagascar : R$27.9m The Incredibles : R$27.8m The Little Prince : R$27.7m Finding Nemo : R$27.3m Kung-Fu Panda : R$26.8m Despicable Me : R$23.4m How To Train Your Dragon : R$21.9m Dinosaur : R$20.4m Garfield The Movie : R$19.5m Up : R$19.4m Cars : R$19.1m The Simpsons: R$17.1m Ratatouille : R$16.6m Over the Hedge : R$15.5m Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs : R$13.7m Monsters Inc : R$13.6m Monsters vs Aliens : R$13.5m Ice Age : R$13.3m Bee Movie : R$11.8m Stuart Little : R$11.7m Shrek : R$10.5m Wall-E : R$10.1m Stuart Little 2 : R$9.9m Lilo & Stitch : R$9.8m Alvin and The Chipmunks : R$9.6m Horton Who : R$8.9m Garfield 2 : R$8.9m Happy Feet : R$8.4m Pokémon The Movie : R$5.8m BIG UPDATE: I added The Incredibles 2 (highest-grossing animated movie of all time, crushing the record), Despicable Me 3, Moana, Boss Baby, Hotel Transylvania 3, Ferdinand and Coco. ANIMATED MOVIES IN BRAZIL IN ADMISSIONS The Incredibles 2 : 9.67 million admissions Ice Age 3 : 9.28m Despicable Me 3 : 8.98m Minions : 8.83m Ice Age 4 : 8.66m Finding Dory : 8,177m Shrek 4 : 7.38m Despicable Me 2 : 6.97m Rio : 6.35m Ice Age 2 : 5.87m Ice Age 5 : 5.26m Hotel Transylvania 3 : 5.25m Madagascar 3 : 5.21m Rio 2 : 5.19m Madagascar 2 : 5.16m Alvin 2 : 5.155m Alvin 3 : 5.151m Moana : 5.14m The Lion King : 5.1m The Smurfs : 5.07m Finding Nemo : 4.8m Shrek 3 : 4.69m Shrek 2 : 4.67m How To Train Your Dragon 2 : 4.6m Pets : 4,39m Toy Story 3 : 4.371m Puss in Boots : 4.37m Madagascar : 4.35m The Incredibles : 4.29m Frozen : 3.94m Tangled : 3.93m Kung-Fu Panda : 3.8m Inside Out : 3.75m Spongebob : 3.72m Wreck-It Ralph : 3.65m The Good Dinosaur : 3.6m Brave : 3.49m Ferdinand : 3.43m Cars 2 : 3.42m Alvin 4 : 3.41m Monsters University : 3.28m Hotel Transylvania 2 : 3.27m Garfield : 3.22m Penguins of Madagascar : 3.13m Boss Baby : 3.12m Kung-Fu Panda 2 : 3.03m The Smurfs 2 : 2.91m Cars : 2.83m Zootopia : 2.8m The Croods : 2.76m Big Hero 6 : 2.71m Hotel Transylvania : 2.52m Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs 2 : 2.46m Despicable Me : 2.42m Peanuts : 2.26m The Simpsons : 2.22m Ratatouille : 2.20m Up : 2.045m How To Train Your Dragon : 2.04m The Little Prince : 1.99m Coco : 1.95m Kung-Fu Panda 3b: 1.7m Bee Movie : 1.68m Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs 2 : 1.407m Monsters vs Aliens : 1.413m Wall-E : 1.401m Alvin 1 : 1.401m Garfield 2 : 1.33m Horton Who : 1.19m Happy Feet : 1.15m Surf's Up : 1.16m I added Aquaman's OW admissions numbers. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Fullbuster said: How important Brazil is for Hollywood movies (in USD)? Let's see this with the global ranks.Brazil is,for now,the 10th biggest BO market,so anything between the 10th and 7th was more or less in sync with the size of the market. Anything beyond 7th overperformed. PS: This is only a comparison with other overseas markets, North America is not taken into account here. OVERPERFORMING MOVIES -Aquaman : 2nd behind China How much did Aquaman make in Dollars? Because I don't think it passed the $39M it made in South Korea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Tower said: How much did Aquaman make in Dollars? Because I don't think it passed the $39M it made in South Korea. Dammit, I missed South Korea somehow ^^" In Brazil it grossed $33.5m. It's 3rd then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Fullbuster said: Dammit, I missed South Korea somehow ^^" In Brazil it grossed $33.5m. It's 3rd then. So how many admissions does Aquaman currently have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepsa Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 For some reason I thought IW 250m lc, now my comments about 200m lc being a big drop sound a bit harsh/stupid. 200m would only be 13% drop instead of the 20% drop I thought it would be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 19, 2019 Author Share Posted January 19, 2019 53 minutes ago, Godzilla said: So how many admissions does Aquaman currently have? 7.54m last weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wotad Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 13 hours ago, Fullbuster said: 7.54m last weekend. where can it end up? is it basically done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucasmessi12 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 (edited) On 1/19/2019 at 4:57 AM, Fullbuster said: BIGGEST MOVIES OF ALL TIME IN LOCAL CURRENCY (AS OF JANUARY 2019) THE AVENGERS INFINITY WAR: R$235m The Avengers 2 : R$146m The Incredibles 2 : R$143.7m Captain America Civil War : R$143m Fast&Furious 7 : R$142m Fast&Furious 8 : R$132.7m Batman vs Superman : R$132.6m Beauty and the Beast 2017 : R$130.2m The Avengers : R$129.6m Despicable Me 3 : R$127m Justice League : R$124.5m Minha Mãe É Uma Peça 2 - O Filme : R$124.2m Black Panther : R$121.5m Minions : R$120m Nada A Perder : R$119m Suicide Squad : R$118m Os Dez Mandamentos - O Filme : R$116m Finding Dory : R$113.5m Star Wars The Force Awakens : R$109m Wonder Woman : R$109m Tropa de Elite 2 : R$103m Avatar : R$102m Spider-Man Homecoming : R$102m Twilight BD2 : R$101m Thor Ragnarok : R$99.9m I added Nada A Perder, The Incredibles 2. Justice league made R$133.6m not R$124m. https://www.cineclick.com.br/noticias/liga-da-justica-se-torna-a-maior-bilheteria-de-2017-no-brasil I think Aquaman will beat Justice League and become DC's biggest movie in Brazil (in local currency, not in dollar). Also, The Nun made $25.6m in the OW (biggest ever for a terror film) also the biggest terror film all time in Brazil with $76m (5,254,570 admissions), . https://www.omelete.com.br/bilheteria-brasil/6-setembro-2018 Edited January 20, 2019 by Lucasmessi12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Lucasmessi12 said: Justice league made R$133.6m not R$124m. https://www.cineclick.com.br/noticias/liga-da-justica-se-torna-a-maior-bilheteria-de-2017-no-brasil I think Aquaman will beat Justice League and become DC's biggest movie in Brazil (in local currency, not in dollar). Also, The Nun made $25.6m in the OW (biggest ever for a terror film) also the biggest terror film all time in Brazil with $76m (5,254,570 admissions), . https://www.omelete.com.br/bilheteria-brasil/6-setembro-2018 Justice League's numbers is from back then, I didn't update the number, I'll do it someday so for now just be happy to have the lists guys I do it for free and free time is not something I have much these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 7 hours ago, Wotad said: where can it end up? is it basically done. Probably won't reach 8 million admissions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efialtes76 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 $3.7M for HTTYD3. Very,very bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...