brazil Brazil Box Office Thread

[Goffe]

You clearly don't know what is Brazil's problem. Corruption (more than usual), excessive privileges for politicians and bad administration of public services. That's it, summarized all problems.

[Godzilla]

You clearly don't know what is Brazil's problem. Corruption (more than usual), excessive privileges for politicians and bad administration of public services. That's it, summarized all problems.

Did I say that those weren't a factor at all?

[Goffe]

Did I say that those weren't a factor at all?

raise taxes for rich people is not the solution, fact. Edited September 5, 2013 by Goffe

[Fullbuster]

raise taxes for rich people is not the solution, fact.

 

We did it in France, we tried to create a 75% income taxes for rich people, one of them was scandalized because he had to pay 110% of its income lol. As a result, departures toward London, Belgium, United States and Switzerland boomed at a unusually high rate, a lot of talents have been lost, some of them forever, and government revenues from these higher taxes were clearly lower than expected...It's not a solution.

Brazil can improve its public services with its income/corporate/VAT revenues, and to do that corruption must be defeated, and Brazil needs to tap into its oil reserves because it's promising but they're too slow at developing this sector.

They also need to ratify free trade agreements with as much countries as possible to lower prices for imported products and developing its export sector.

Edited September 5, 2013 by Sonic

[Goffe]

Brazil need to tap into its oil reserves because it's promising but they're too slow at developing this

you know why? Because the company that controls the oil reserves, Petrobas, is a public company and everything that is public is bad managed, at least around here.

[Fullbuster]

you know why? Because the company that controls the oil reserves, Petrobas, is a public company and everything that is public is bad managed, at least around here.

 

Mexico and Venezuela have the same problem, their state-owned oil companies have a lower output than 10 years ago because they're corrupted, government take their revenues for political goals and don't invest.

Thankfully the US oil sector is private, this is why the shale gas/oil boom happened, the US is the biggest gas producer and will be the biggest oil producer around 2017

[Fullbuster]

What do you think about the next Olympic Games in Brazil in 2016?

[Wally]

What do you think about the next Olympic Games in Brazil in 2016?

There's nothing to be afraid of, just the most dangerous city of the world that is not in a warzone. Rio de Janeiro is not a nice place to be, believe me.

 

However, the government will make some kind of agreement with the drug dealers and the 2, 3 weeks of the games will be pretty much calm. Yeah, we're that corrupted.

 

Don't know about Fifa's World Cup in here, though... If I were you, I wouldn't take my chances.

[Fullbuster]

There's nothing to be afraid of, just the most dangerous city of the world that is not in a warzone. Rio de Janeiro is not a nice place to be, believe me.

 

However, the government will make some kind of agreement with the drug dealers and the 2, 3 weeks of the games will be pretty much calm. Yeah, we're that corrupted.

 

Don't know about Fifa's World Cup in here, though... If I were you, I wouldn't take my chances.

 

It's sad to see Brazil being this way given its potential. I'm amazed at their lack of readiness for these sport events, they seem so unprepared...Compared to the 2012 Olympics in the UK these games could be a disaster in the making.

[Wally]

It's sad to see Brazil being this way given its potential. I'm amazed at their lack of readiness for these sport events, they seem so unprepared...Compared to the 2012 Olympics in the UK these games could be a disaster in the making.

The events will make money. Brazilians have money at the moment (except for the very poor people, of course) and will cover any budget. They don't actually need much people from OS. For example, the Confederation Cup, despite all the protests, were a economic success. Every game was crowded.

[Fullbuster]

The events will make money. Brazilians have money at the moment (except for the very poor people, of course) and will cover any budget. They don't actually need much people from OS. For example, the Confederation Cup, despite all the protests, were a economic success. Every game was crowded.

 

Yeah but it's a WORLD Cup, so they have to do well on infrastructures and safety because the world will watch, and Brazil needs a positive coverage to debelop its tourism industry.

[Wally]

Yeah but it's a WORLD Cup, so they have to do well on infrastructures and safety because the world will watch, and Brazil needs a positive coverage to debelop its tourism industry.

It won't be pretty. It'll be election year and we will have protests unless inflation goes down till the end of this year, which is very unlikely. Though Dilma Rousseff will probably win again... People here are afraid of changes.

[Wally]

Top 5 (not confirmed):1 - White House Down

2 - Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters (finaly out of the top spot)

3 -  The Internship

4 - Grown Ups 2

5 - Jobs

[efialtes76]

Top 5 (not confirmed):1 - White House Down

2 - Percy Jackson: Sea of Monsters (finaly out of the top spot)

3 -  The Internship

4 - Grown Ups 2

5 - Jobs

[JohnnY]

 Everyone in Brazil wants better infrastructure, but it seems like they don't want to sacrifice anything in order to get better hospitals, train stations, etc. You simply can't get better stuff while not pitching in anything

 

I don't think many people in Brazil understand how taxes work lol

 

 

We did it in France, we tried to create a 75% income taxes for rich people, one of them was scandalized because he had to pay 110% of its income lol. As a result, departures toward London, Belgium, United States and Switzerland boomed at a unusually high rate, a lot of talents have been lost, some of them forever

 

I understand this, but I dislike this kind of argument because it's also based on the fact that most rich people won't agree to earn less in order to help public services, even if they still have a huge amount of money. So it's more like "raising taxes don't work because some rich people would never sacrifice a share of their profit to help other people and they will run away to other places".

Edited September 10, 2013 by JohnnY

[Goffe]

I dislike this kind of argument because it's also based on the fact that most rich people won't agree to earn less in order to help public services, even if they still have a huge amount of money

you're sounding like this despicable woman http://youtu.be/1QslgMMDfzU.

do you remember article 5 from our constitution?

"Todos são iguais perante a lei, sem distinção de qualquer natureza, garantindo-se 

aos brasileiros e aos estrangeiros residentes no País a inviolabilidade do direito à vida, à 

liberdade, à igualdade, à segurança e à propriedade" 

it's not their obligation help public services, they shoud yes, but try to impose something like that is hideous

Edited September 10, 2013 by Goffe

[Fullbuster]

 

 

I don't think many people in Brazil understand how taxes work lol

 

 

 

I understand this, but I dislike this kind of argument because it's also based on the fact that most rich people won't agree to earn less in order to help public services, even if they still have a huge amount of money. So it's more like "raising taxes don't work because some rich people would never sacrifice a share of their profit to help other people and they will run away to other places".

 

 

You don't like but it's just reality. If these people leave not only the expected revenues won't come but as a result income tax revenues will decrease.

You can't do whatever you want in life, some realities must be understood. I don't care about rich people, and I don't particularly like them and I wouldn't mind them paying more taxes but we lived in a globalized world with an intense competition for power, economic growth, firms, talents, rich taxpayers...Reality is painful sometimes but it's better than illusions.

[JohnnY]

You don't like but it's just reality. If these people leave not only the expected revenues won't come but as a result income tax revenues will decrease.

You can't do whatever you want in life, some realities must be understood. I don't care about rich people, and I don't particularly like them and I wouldn't mind them paying more taxes but we lived in a globalized world with an intense competition for power, economic growth, firms, talents, rich taxpayers...Reality is painful sometimes but it's better than illusions.

 

Yeah, it's the reality and I'm not against free market and libertarian ideologies. But when it comes down to arguments based on how rich people would behave towards socialist-like government actions that would compromise their profit rate, I don't think they should be told like they are an universal truth. Because putting the desire for profit above other people's needs isn't an intrinsic human characteristic, only the predominant way of thinking within the capitalist society, therefore it's not impossible for people who own a lot of money to accept these actions even if their profit is hurt. I do believe increasing taxes could be the right action in specific times and with the support of rich people.

 

Anyway, this is a huge discussion and I actually support libertarians in some way, let's not derail this thread a lot

 

you're sounding like this despicable woman http://youtu.be/1QslgMMDfzU.

do you remember article 5 from our constitution?

"Todos são iguais perante a lei, sem distinção de qualquer natureza, garantindo-se 

aos brasileiros e aos estrangeiros residentes no País a inviolabilidade do direito à vida, à 

liberdade, à igualdade, à segurança e à propriedade" 

it's not their obligation help public services, they shoud yes, but try to impose something like that is hideous

 

 

Come on, I didn't sound like that!!! She's terrible.

[Fullbuster]

Yeah, it's the reality and I'm not against free market and libertarian ideologies. But when it comes down to arguments based on how rich people would behave towards socialist-like government actions that would compromise their profit rate, I don't think they should be told like they are an universal truth. Because putting the desire for profit above other people's needs isn't an intrinsic human characteristic, only the predominant way of thinking within the capitalist society, therefore it's not impossible for people who own a lot of money to accept these actions even if their profit is hurt. I do believe increasing taxes could be the right action in specific times and with the support of rich people.

 

Anyway, this is a huge discussion and I actually support libertarians in some way, let's not derail this thread a lot

 

 

 

Come on, I didn't sound like that!!! She's terrible.

 

The best way to help poor in Brazil, in my opinion, would be to incite them participating to charity, like in the US : there rich people give a lot to charity because what they give can be deduced from their taxes, and it's the same thing for middle class and firms.

As a result Americans are the most generous people in the world, statistically speaking.

[JohnnY]

The best way to help poor in Brazil, in my opinion, would be to incite them participating to charity, like in the US : there rich people give a lot to charity because what they give can be deduced from their taxes, and it's the same thing for middle class and firms.

As a result Americans are the most generous people in the world, statistically speaking.

 

But would charity be enough to help the country? I think the biggest problem is that our economy isn't free enough and the current party (which has leftist tendencies) have support of the masses because of its social support programs. People think it's the government duty to grant everything they need and the way of achieving this is nationalizing companies. Among the recent protests, people were asking the government to fully nationalize Petrobras and public transport, and protesting against the privatization of Maracanã. They think buses and stadiums should be controled by the government, but they complain that taxes are too high.

 

I don't think this will change soon because the current party is being seen as "not left enough" by lots of young people and the Socialist party is getting stronger, mainly in Rio.

 

Anyway, this made me remember about a recent topic about students discounts. Students here pay only half the price of a movie ticket (and tickets for other type of "cultural events"), does that also happen in the US? Some people think it's wrong to obligate places to give the discount, but I saw many people in my Uni arguing that it's the government's duty to give easy access to culture. And all this discussion isn't even because they are considering to abolish this discount, it's just because they ruled that the discount should be given at least to "only" 40% of concert  and sportes events tickets, and some people think 40% is not enough.

Edited September 11, 2013 by JohnnY