The Box Office Buzz, Tracking, and Pre-Sale Thread

[vafrow]

23 hours ago, vafrow said:

Wicked, D1, T-43, western GTA (Southern Ontario), Thursday previews and Wednesday EA

 

Total Sales: 29

New Sales: na

Growth: na

Theatres: 5

Showtimes: 11

Tickets per Showtime: 2.6

Chains tracked: MTC4

Ticket Premium in effect: N

 

Sales by Showtime

Late Afternoon: 8/3

Early Evening: 13/5

Late Evening: 8/3

 

Preview Sales by Format

Regular: 0/1

Regular 3D: 0/2

Dolby: 8/2

Dolby 3D: 21/6

 

Comps

14.500x Beetlejuice 2 for $142.1M

14.500x Twisters for 155.2M

14.500x Inside Out 2 for $188.5M

0.644x Joker 2 for $4.1M

 

Average: not relevant at this stage 

 

EA sales

Total sales: 77

Theatres: 3

Showtimes: 3

Formats: Dolby 3D

 

1.833x Joker 2 for $1.3M

7.700x Beetlejuice 2 for $23.9M

38.500x Twisters for $104M

0.258x Dune 2 for $0.5M

 

Average: Also not relevant at this stage.

 

So, comps aren't helping much. It's in between tiers, and my market really is feast or famine. We'll know more in time, but I'm reluctant to get too predict too much.

 

One thing I keep going back to is the weird screen allocations. For initial pre-sales, VIP theatres tend to be big sellers. They're limited capacity, so seats go quickly. And they're ideal for date night or girls night out type audiences. It was the biggest seller for Deadpool and Wolceri for example.

 

But Wicked doesn't have any showings for this format chain wide. Neither does Gladiator. 

 

I'm sure if these showings were available, it would be capturing a lot of sales. And they sell for more than IMAX tickets.

 

You also don't have late evening shows in some theatres. 

 

This whole thing feels like a weird experiment by the chain and I can't tell why.

 

Wicked, D2, T-42, western GTA (Southern Ontario), Thursday previews and Wednesday EA

 

Total Sales: 29

New Sales: 10

Growth: 34%

Theatres: 5

Showtimes: 11

Tickets per Showtime: 3.5

Chains tracked: MTC4

Ticket Premium in effect: N

 

Sales by Showtime

Late Afternoon: 8/3

Early Evening: 23/5

Late Evening: 8/3

 

Preview Sales by Format

Regular: 0/1

Regular 3D: 0/2

Dolby: 8/2

Dolby 3D: 31/6

 

Comps

3.000x Beetlejuice 2 for $29.4M

0.780x Joker 2 for $4.9M

0.328x Dune 2 for $3.3M

 

Average: $12.5M 

 

EA sales

Total sales: 107

New sales : 30

Growth: 39%

Theatres: 3

Showtimes: 3

Formats: Dolby 3D

 

2.326x Joker 2 for $1.6M

7.643x Beetlejuice 2 for $23.7M

0.360x Dune 2 for $0.7M

 

Average: $8.7M

 

I've taken out the big outlier comps like Twisters and IO2. They may become relevant later, but not much help now.

 

For Day 20, this is pretty good. Good growth for EA and previews. With not many comps, the overindex from Dune is probably pullig it down.

 

This is a big holiday weekend in Canada with a lot of people travelling, so it might slow any ticket buying momentum for the next few days, so we'll need to see if maintains its pace.

[vafrow]

On 10/10/2024 at 5:32 AM, vafrow said:

 

Gladiator II, D2, T-43, western GTA (Southern Ontario), Thursday previews 

 

Total Sales: 21

New Sales: 2

Growth: 11%

Theatres: 5

Showtimes: 10

Tickets per Showtime: 2.1

Chains tracked: MTC4

Ticket Premium in effect: N

 

Sales by Showtime

Late Afternoon: 0/2

Early Evening: 19/5

Late Evening: 2/3

 

Preview Sales by Format

Regular: 4/6

IMAX: 17/4

 

Comps

0.176x Dune 2 for $1.8M

1.615x KOTPOTA for $8.1M

0.467x Joker 2 for $2.9M

1.235x BB:RoD for $7.3M

 

Average: $5.0M

 

Not much of a day 2. I'll run comps for a few more days as is, but will probably not have anything once I switch to T minus for a while.

 

 

Gladiator II, D3, T-42, western GTA (Southern Ontario), Thursday previews 

 

Total Sales: 28

New Sales: 7

Growth: 33%

Theatres: 5

Showtimes: 10

Tickets per Showtime: 2.8

Chains tracked: MTC4

Ticket Premium in effect: N

 

Sales by Showtime

Late Afternoon: 1/2

Early Evening: 19/5

Late Evening: 8/3

 

Preview Sales by Format

Regular: 11/6

IMAX: 17/4

 

Comps

0.193x Dune 2 for $1.9M

2.000x KOTPOTA for $10.0M

0.560x Joker 2 for $3.5M

1.647x BB:RoD for $9.7M

 

Average: $6.3M

 

This is staying steady. I think Bad Boys will probably be the comp I'm watching most, and it had a shorter sales window.

 

I'll probably do another update tomorrow, but I'll probably then switch to T minus and won't bother posting an update until there's enough useful comps.

[vafrow]

On 10/6/2024 at 8:59 AM, vafrow said:

 

Smile 2, T-12, Western GTA (southern Ontario), Thursday Previews

 

Total Sales: 24

New Sales: 2

Growth: 9%

Theatres: 5

Showtimes: 10

Tickets per Showtime: 2.4

Chains tracked: MTC4

Ticket Premium in effect: N

 

Sales by Showtime

Early Evening: 22/5

Late Evening: 2/5

 

Preview Sales by Format

Regular: 24/10

 

Comps 

0.960x AQP:D1 for $6.5M

0.220x Alien Romulus for $1.4M

0.533x Furiosa for $1.9M

 

Average: $3.3M

 

Not much exciting here. I probably won't get back to this for posted updates until next weekend.

 

Smile 2, T-7, Western GTA (southern Ontario), Thursday Previews

 

Total Sales: 29

New Sales since T-12: 5

Growth: 21%

Theatres: 5

Showtimes: 10

Tickets per Showtime: 2.9

Chains tracked: MTC4

Ticket Premium in effect: N

 

Sales by Showtime

Early Evening: 25/5

Late Evening: 4/5

 

Preview Sales by Format

Regular: 29/10

 

Comps 

0.674x AQP:D1 for $4.6M

0.180x Alien Romulus for $1.2M

0.293x Furiosa for $1.0M

 

Average: $2.3M

 

This has not trended well this week. Dropping against comps and just not moving the needle on sales. My impression is that Terrifier has probably stole its thunder. If you're a high schooler and people are talking about Terrifier, taking about Smile feels the equivalent of talking about Kung Fu Panda. 

[vafrow]

On 10/6/2024 at 9:06 AM, vafrow said:

 

Venom: The Last Dance , T-19, Western GTA (southern Ontario), Thursday Previews

 

Total Sales: 49

New Sales : 0

Growth: 0%

Theatres: 5

Showtimes: 19

Tickets per Showtime: 2.6

Chains tracked: MTC4

Ticket Premium in effect: Y

 

Sales by Showtime

Late Afternoon: 0/4

Early Evening: 39/8

Late Evening: 10/7

 

Preview Sales by Format

Regular: 0/0

Dolby: 0/1

Dolby 3D: 11/6

IMAX: 13/4

IMAX 3D: 0/2

4DX 3D: 2/3

VIP: 23/3

 

Comps 

0.690x Joker 2 for $4.3M

1.960x GB:FE for $9.2M

0.803x Beetlejuice² for $7.9M

 

Average: $7.1M

 

A zero sales day, after a couple of big days. It's still on healthy ground and likely will be more walk up heavy.

 

Venom: The Last Dance , T-14, Western GTA (southern Ontario), Thursday Previews

 

Total Sales: 86

New Sales since T-19: 37

Growth: 76%

Theatres: 5

Showtimes: 19

Tickets per Showtime: 4.5

Chains tracked: MTC4

Ticket Premium in effect: Y

 

Sales by Showtime

Late Afternoon: 5/4

Early Evening: 61/8

Late Evening: 20/7

 

Preview Sales by Format

Regular: 0/0

Dolby: 3/1

Dolby 3D: 21/6

IMAX: 26/4

IMAX 3D: 2/2

4DX 3D: 3/3

VIP: 31/3

 

Comps 

0.851x Joker 2 for $5.4M

2.263x GB:FE for $10.6M

1.162x Beetlejuice² for $11.4M

 

Average: $9.1M

 

This has done well all week. Really, no signs of a bottom of the U. Has stayed steady and now in the final two weeks.

[Shawn Robbins]

 

8 hours ago, vale9001 said:

The first day was also probably under eras, i remember fandango wrote for that something like "best day after or since star wars". But they didn't count It as "movie" in this case. 

Eras was also PG-13.

[Shawn Robbins]

 

[vale9001]

19 minutes ago, Shawn Robbins said:

 

Eras was also PG-13.

 

i searched the news

 

"” Expectedly, the film also broke Fandango’s best first-day ticket sales record for 2023, leaving superhero blockbusters like Avengers: Endgame and Star Wars: The Force Awakens in the dust."

 

So it basically broke the record of all time if I didn't get it wrong. Fandando writing now Wicked "only" is #2 best sellers of the year shouldn't mean i guess it sold more than The eras.

 

Also i didn't rememeber we actually had a real number about the money earned "Per Deadline, in total Swift sold more than $37 million in pre-sale tickets in the first 24 hours of pre-sales."

 

that ended to be basically more than 1/3 of its total weekend sales once the movie was out. 

Of course Wicked won't be this frontloaded but it's interesting for several reason to watch these data for some similarity in the core audience. Also keeping on mind that eras tickets were 13 and 20 dollars. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 03:15 PM by vale9001

[CompoundTheGains]

(EDIT:  Proved to be inaccurate.  Deadline says $2.6 for 8pm and later showings)

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/10/11/terrifier-3-nabs-35m-in-thursday-previews

Edited 23 hours ago by CompoundTheGains

[vafrow]

24 minutes ago, CompoundTheGains said:

$3.5mil Thursday for Terrifier 3
 

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/10/11/terrifier-3-nabs-35m-in-thursday-previews

That's impressive, and worth noting that I don't believe any theatre in Canada had it for Thursday previews. MTC4 didn't. Landmark (second biggest chain here) didn't. And the few smaller independents I checked only seemed to have it starting today.

[CJohn]

32 minutes ago, CompoundTheGains said:

$3.5mil Thursday for Terrifier 3
 

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/10/11/terrifier-3-nabs-35m-in-thursday-previews

DHD says 2.5M

[CompoundTheGains]

Deadline is only reporting the 8pm and after times.  IS NOT reporting all of the 5:30 double features box office.

[CompoundTheGains]

18 minutes ago, CJohn said:

DHD says 2.5M

Deadline is only reporting the 8pm and after times.  IS NOT reporting all of the 5:30 double features box office.  Those are higher price per tickets as well.

[Tinalera]

18 hours ago, vafrow said:

 

I would be hesitant to draw that conclusion just yet. I think the tweet said presales, which covers the full weekend. I'm not certain if Dune or Wicked would be more preview/EA heavy.

 

I didn't track Barbie over a larger area, but I recall it having a much more tangible level of momentum. It might have been the surprise factor, as the community didn't see it coming, but it felt a bit different from what we saw this week.

 

But still, good pull. Trying to piece together the information we have is going to be key if we lose the ability to see MTC1 data directly.

 

It might be true, but I feel "significantly bigger than Barbie" is a pretty big piece of news. Some outlet will run with that based on studio data soon enough if it's the case.

For a bit of a reference, heres by Earliest Track of Barbie at T-27

 

 

 

Posted June 24, 2023Barbi

Thurs July 20 and Fri July 21 (T-27)

Toronto and Montreal Canada

 

T-27		# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Toronto	Thurs	4	14	128	2458	2586	0.0494
	Fri	4	19	350	5021	5371	0.0651
		# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Montreal	Thurs	2	7	219	1248	1467	0.1492
	Fri	2	7	38	351	389	0.0976

 

Montreal has been name corrected from Calgary, will change in Canada Thread.

Posted June 24, 2023

 

Edited yesterday at 05:15 PM by Tinalera

[vafrow]

9 minutes ago, Tinalera said:

For a bit of a reference, heres by Earliest Track of Barbie at T-27

 

 

 

Posted June 24, 2023Barbi

Thurs July 20 and Fri July 21 (T-27)

Toronto and Montreal Canada

 

T-27		# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Toronto	Thurs	4	14	128	2458	2586	0.0494
	Fri	4	19	350	5021	5371	0.0651
		# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Calgary	Thurs	2	7	219	1248	1467	0.1492
	Fri	2	7	38	351	389	0.0976

Posted June 24, 2023

 

 

 

Hmm.

 

I'll be curious once you get a chance to do a Wicked update. Those numbers seem attainable. Although, I'm surprised to see such disparity in sales patterns between the two markets on Barbie. Calgary outsold Toronto in less locations and showtimes. But Friday sales for Calgary were a fraction of Thursday.

[Tinalera]

34 minutes ago, vafrow said:

 

Hmm.

 

I'll be curious once you get a chance to do a Wicked update. Those numbers seem attainable. Although, I'm surprised to see such disparity in sales patterns between the two markets on Barbie. Calgary outsold Toronto in less locations and showtimes. But Friday sales for Calgary were a fraction of Thursday.

Welcome to MTC4 

 EDIT-That Calgary should Say Montreal, for some reason I have Calgary there-so that would be a Toronto Montreal numbers. Let me find Vancouver-Calgary for near that time

Edited yesterday at 05:08 PM by Tinalera
Correcting Info

[Tinalera]

Wicked

Thurs Nov 21 Fri Nov 22 (taken Oct 11)

Vancouver and Calgary Canada

 

		# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Vancouver
	Thurs	4	12	138	2903	3041	0.0453
	Fri	4	10	137	4482	4619	0.0296
		# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Calgary
	Thurs	3	10	46	2162	2208	0.0208
	Fri	3	16	78	3387	3465	0.0225

[Tinalera]

17 minutes ago, Tinalera said:

Welcome to MTC4 

 EDIT-That Calgary should Say Montreal, for some reason I have Calgary there-so that would be a Toronto Montreal numbers. Let me find Vancouver-Calgary for near that time

t-28		# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Vancouver	Thurs	2	10	126	1913	2039	0.0617
	Fri	2	11	202	2432	2634	0.0766
		# theatre	#show	Seats Sold	Seats Rem	Ttl seat	Percent
Calgary	Thurs	4	11	70	1902	1972	0.0354
	Fri	4	14	128	2458	2586	0.0494

 

Yes those are Van numbers, at the time I found it weird that Vancouver would have less theatres than Calgary, but this the weirdness always prevails up here lol

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Tinalera

[misterpepp]

Red One on sale Oct 25

[CompoundTheGains]

https://bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3835256/terrifier-3-tops-the-box-office-with-2-6-million-in-thursday-night-previews/

[Eric the Clown]

Quorum Updates

Saturday Night T-1: 32.15% Awareness, 39.81% Interest

Wicked T-43: 52.79% Awareness, 49.33% Interest

Mufasa: The Lion King T-71: 54.36% Awareness, 55.81% Interest

Nosferatu T-76: 18.88% Awareness, 38.12% Interest

Vicious T-141: 9.98% Awareness, 34.61% Interest

 

The Apprentice T-1: 32.42% Awareness, 36.14% Interest

Final Awareness: 39% chance of 10M

Low Awareness: 27% chance of 10M

Final Interest: 18% chance of 10M

Low Interest: 8% chance of 20M

 

Piece by Piece T-1: 35.37% Awareness, 32.7% Interest

Final Awareness: 39% chance of 10M

Animation/Family Awareness: 25% chance of 20M

Final Interest: 18% chance of 10M

Animation/Family Interest: 33% chance of 20M

 

Terrifier 3 T-1: 40.87% Awareness, 40.81% Interest

Final Awareness: 77% chance of 10M, 47% chance of 20M, 26% chance of 30M, 16% chance of 40M

Horror Awareness: 85% chance of 10M, 46% chance of 20M, 23% chance of 40M

Final Interest: 46% chance of 10M, 19% chance of 20M

Horror Interest: 41% chance of 10M, 11% chance of 20M

 

Smile 2 T-8: 48.13% Awareness, 43.84% Interest

Final Awareness: 77% chance of 10M, 47% chance of 20M, 26% chance of 30M, 16% chance of 40M

Horror Awareness: 85% chance of 10M, 46% chance of 20M, 23% chance of 40M

Final Interest: 46% chance of 10M, 19% chance of 20M, 10% chance of 30M

Horror Interest: 41% chance of 10M, 11% chance of 20M, 4% chance of 30M

 

Red One T-36: 33.53% Awareness, 43.42% Interest

T-30 Awareness: 54% chance of 20M, 33% chance of 30M

Tentpole Awareness: 100% chance of 20M, 33% chance of 30M

T-30 Interest: 56% chance of 10M, 34% chance of 20M, 20% chance of 30M

Tentpole Interest: 100% chance of 10M, 87% chance of 20M, 62% chance of 30M