redfirebird2008

B. Numerous great elements, but plenty of annoying flaws too.

B+. The best Batman movie IMHO.

Gets better and better with repeat viewings. I'd give it a solid A.

I think BJ is predicting $600m for it. But didn't he leave the board?

I don't think it will increase WW. But the lack of China for TDK last time hurt it a lot. This time around it will have China, which will be a nice boost for some of the other markets where it will drop (like the UK and Australia). I expect $800-900m worldwide, which is damn good. If this is the "letdown" for a sequel to a big Batman movie, I think WB will be pretty happy with that result compared to the box office of Batman Returns. Heck, Batman Begins only made $370m. They've got to be very happy with where the franchise is sitting compared to where it was, which was dead in the water.

You're welcome.

Aren't you predicting $450m for it? How is that suffering?

Except in the quality department, where IM1 blew SM1 out of the water and SM2 blew IM2 out of the water.

That double the budget thing is definitely not an exact science, heh.

It didn't even cost $400m to produce and market, so how they could they possibly lose that much on it? The loss is probably more in the $150-200m range, which is still huge.

Not sure about that.

Which makes me wonder if that's the floor for TDKR ($890m worldwide).

Bad legs? Didn't the thing open day and date pretty much everywhere? Most of the time you have a staggered release, which makes the legs look stronger than they otherwise might be.

Domestically sure, but I think overseas audiences didn't give a flying hoot about the quality of it. It made a ton of cash over there. They just wanted to see it, regardless of quality.

The only pity is it made more money worldwide than any superhero movie other than TDK. That is a damn shame when you consider some of the great stuff out there that didn't get anywhere near the exposure from audiences that SM3 received. I'm talking about the likes of X1, X2, X:FC, BB, IM1, and so on.

TDK isn't even the best movie in the Batman franchise, never mind completely blowing away the entire genre. Granted, I think the Batman franchise has some of the very best superhero flicks around (BB, MOTP, B89, BR, UTRH, etc.).

Huh?

All depends on how big this one ends up with the total. The weekend can always get bigger. More frontloading is a natural trend in the movie business, especially with sequels. It will be interesting to see how good the legs are on this one. If it hits $450m, I would think the sequels will have a hard time beating it outside of opening weekend.

Way to go out on a limb. :lol:Just bustin' your balls. $375m is a lock IMHO. $400m is very likely.

So 4 movies. HP made almost $2.4 billion domestic for 8 movies. THG would have to make $600m per movie. Doesn't seem likely. Avatar is the only one with a chance to pull off that kind of feat.

Agree. As far as the franchise question, isn't this one only going to have three movies? Potter had 8. THG definitely has the potential to make more money (domestic) per film, but beating the 8-film total for the HP franchise is pretty much impossible with only 3 movies.

That's because their Sundays were underestimated. TDK's Sunday went up by $4m, but the weekend only went up by $3m because Friday was overestimated by $1m. Was $68m on Sunday morning and ended up at $67m actual. Same thing with Potter, which was $92m and dropped to $91m with the actual.

That's the smart approach. TDK and DH2's Friday numbers were both overestimated by $1m.

Much better than small. Sunday projection was pretty conservative. We haven't heard from Nikki tonight, which is odd. When TDK's Sunday overperformed, she did an update around 8 PM Pacific saying it was headed for well over $40m.

Yeah, I think that was pretty conservative. I was expecting 20-25%.