The Marvels | November 10, 2023 | Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter

[Bob Train]

3 minutes ago, Hypercortical said:

imagine saying this about Nia DaCosta of all people
 

 

Teen girls aren't watching this anyways so IDK why it matters. They will watch Hunger Games instead. It is gonna skew 60/40 in favor of dudes like the OG. Women don't care about Superheroes anymore, as evidence by the 70/30 split The Flash had.

[Hypercortical]

1 minute ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

Guess the type of movie should be considered too. Joker subject matter was quite heavy so it turned off some.

 

That doesn't seem like it's what the rotten critics are complaining about, but ok. 

[BoxOfficeZ]

That was a huge misstep. Felt like almost a complete waste of time watching it. There might be a movie in there somewhere but it was horribly chopped up in the editing stage and it's really obvious after seeing it. It's all over the place and the movie is barely coherent. I guess the actors are there to say a few goofy lines occasionally.

[Hypercortical]

oh what's this?

Spoiler

 

God I love this art style so much
Oh apparently this is in the film. I will spoiler it.

Edited November 9, 2023 by Hypercortical

[Liiviig 1998]

24 minutes ago, Hypercortical said:

That doesn't seem like it's what the rotten critics are complaining about, but ok. 

They were alot of criticisms like that on joker movie.

Some weird ones even saying it was " incel fuel"  or dangerous for society .

 

The move has it problems but it's nature and heavy subject matter  definitely played apart too. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 9, 2023 by Liiviig 1998

[WorkingonaName]

The media frenzy around Joker was a psyop 

[Hypercortical]

1 minute ago, Liiviig 1998 said:

They were alot of criticisms like that on joker movie.

Some weird ones even saying it was " incel fuel"  or dangerous for society .

 

The move has it problems but it's nature and heavy subject matter  definitely played apart too. 

 

MCU skews male too. But it has 4 guadrant appeal and cuts across all demographics.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mostly see 3 genres of criticism
1. Incel fuel
2. only feigns depth

3. Copies better films without really getting it. 

[YachtyLogs]

This isn't the Joker thread. 

[Hecking Nidorino]

30 minutes ago, Bob Train said:

Teen girls aren't watching this anyways so IDK why it matters. They will watch Hunger Games instead. It is gonna skew 60/40 in favor of dudes like the OG. Women don't care about Superheroes anymore, as evidence by the 70/30 split The Flash had.

 

my audience looked about 70% adult men. Most of the women also appeared to the girlfriends/wives (though obviously you can't tell if she brought him as opposed to vice versa). 
 

Granted this was the very first screening so it would’ve skewed hard towards diehards. Casual audience may be more balanced 

Edited November 9, 2023 by Hecking Nidorino
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[Hypercortical]

5 minutes ago, YachtyLogs said:

This isn't the Joker thread. 

That's true, but the point of my joker-talk was to cast doubt on the theory that female critics tend to rate MCU films higher just because women are "less critical" or "more easily pleased", which is relevant because The Marvels has a pretty high gap between the scores of the male and female critics. Men currently at 54% women at 71%, and an even larger gap of 40/63 for top critics. 

edit: recent MCU films at least. I only looked at The Marvels, Love & Thunder, and Gotg 3. Next I'll see if it was any different for the earlier phases 

Edited November 9, 2023 by Hypercortical

[The GOAT]

Just now, Hecking Nidorino said:

 

my audience looked about 70% adult men. Most of the women also appeared to the girlfriends/wives (though obviously you can't tell if she brought him as opposed to vice versa). 

This is what no opposite sex love interest does to a movie. 

[Nicson]

I want everyone to be reminded that The Flash constantly kept going up and down on the 60's on RT and that was after being up to 73%. If the Marvels is already going rotten and is barely going upwards just to 59%, it's gonna fall hard when Friday rolls by

[Bob Train]

Just now, Nicson said:

I want everyone to be reminded that The Flash constantly kept going up and down on the 60's on RT and that was after being up to 73%. If the Marvels is already going rotten and is barely going upwards just to 59%, it's gonna fall hard when Friday rolls by

Yeah. I think all the Marvel fanboys and IGN-types have already rated it. No where to go but down.

[MovieMan89]

On the bright side, after two rotten mcu movies in one year, those people that have been whining about how Disney “pays off” the critics with MCU for a decade can finally shut up. 

[Blaze Heatnix]

5 minutes ago, Nicson said:

I want everyone to be reminded that The Flash constantly kept going up and down on the 60's on RT and that was after being up to 73%. If the Marvels is already going rotten and is barely going upwards just to 59%, it's gonna fall hard when Friday rolls by

 

It doesn't matter. Barely rotten or barely flash for a barely movie. I'll be watching it on discount day, cause I need a good laugh! XD

[Liiviig 1998]

Tbh the only female led superhero movie that I felt was marketed well to women was Wonderwoman.

 

The rest have just been lacking here. BOP, BW, CM were heavily male driven in terms of Audience engagement.

 

DC choosing to adapt BOP rather Gotham city sirens still bugs me  to this day.

 

Suicide squad was panned but Harley was  one of the best things about it

[The GOAT]

4 minutes ago, Bob Train said:

Yeah. I think all the Marvel fanboys and IGN-types have already rated it. No where to go but down.

Has the MovieBob's review already been processed? It just needs about 5-10 straight fresh tomatoes to get the score up to 60%. 

[Hypercortical]

3 minutes ago, Bob Train said:

Yeah. I think all the Marvel fanboys and IGN-types have already rated it. No where to go but down.

idk maybe. We're about 118-130 people in. (the number they display is different from the number of reviews you can count). 
when Gotg 3 was a little over 100 people, it was still at 79% (I know, because I just recorded all its first 100 or so reviews to compare the gender divide), and it's currently 82 (and I thought it was more like 84, but ok). So there is possibility of going up. 

[OncomingStorm93]

IMO, Deadpool 3 is Marvel’s last best-chance at audience perception course correction.

 

 I do believe that Feige has realized that the MCU has to “grow up” with it’s audience, and the (seemingly) violent Echo, presumably being up-violented Daredevil, R rated Deadpool, and R rated Blade can help reshape the perception of MCU projects.

 

The MCU’s core audience is a little over a decade older than when The Avengers debuted. The content needs to reflect that. In that regards, The Marvels/Quantumania seemed to regress  in maturity. Multiverse of Madness and Love and Thunder kinda did too, cancer  jokes and corpse resurrection notwithstanding.

[WorkingonaName]

3 minutes ago, The GOAT said:

Has the MovieBob's review already been processed? It just needs about 5-10 straight fresh tomatoes to get the score up to 60%. 

He is too busy melting down on X.