el sid Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 (edited) Yes, frustrating. The ticket prices are high but didn't rise that much in the last years to explain this decline. And it's also not that there were too many bad movies, too many sequels maybe, but enough smaller new films with good reviews also failed because there was just no interest. The Thursday actuals (source Blickpunkt:Film): New Releases: Kingsman: only 32k - so the estimates were completely worthless yesterday. I wonder what happened. The weather is absolutely not to blame as cold as it is in the evenings now...That it's at the same level as the first one is ok IMO too when you look at this disappointing and boring cinema-year. Ninjago: 11k Schloss aus Glass: 2k Hereinspaziert!: 1.5k Holdovers (at least the older films had definitely a lot of walk ups yesterday, hopefully also the films which were not mentioned in the report like Barry Seal and Lucky Logan): High Society: 12k (actuals last Thursday 16k) The Circle: 8k (11k) mother!: 6.5k (10k) There's another issue which won't help: On Sunday the federal election takes place in Germany and many people will prefer to sit in front of their TV or laptop in the afternoon and evening. I also hope that „It“ will be a big hit. The reservations still look very good and it has caught a nice release date because of the legal holiday („Tag der Deutschen Einheit“) on Oct. the 3rd, a Tuesday. Edited September 22, 2017 by el sid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Parr Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 I'd say high ticket prices very much are the reason. Prices don't need to rise much, it is enough when they are constantly at a high level. High prices paired with nothing worth of interest leads to not a lot of people going to the movies. France takes the opposite approach, and it is succeeding with it. That isn't to say that moving to similar prices would have the same effect here, sometimes the damage is already done. Simply put, the foreign releases didn't really offer much this year. Comic book movies don't matter all that much here, so that already takes away stuff like Wonder Woman, GotG, Spiderman or Logan. Though GotG did rather well for that kind of movie actually. Despicable Me 3 simply isn't Minions, which always have been the most popular part about that franchise, but it still improved over part 2. Beauty and the Beast is tough to judge, but these kind of remakes don't seem to raise much interest here either. BatB is already at the upper end, compared to a movie like Jungle Book. So more or less everything big that came out in the US doesn't really match the tastes of the german audiences. POTC, as a former popular franchise collapsed even more. The only biggish movies that probably held better in Germany than in the US were Fifty Shades Darker and FF8, with a surprisingly good number for Baywatch, compared to what it made elsewhere. In other words: the US didn't really offer anything of worth lately, which showed in Germany as well. And the times before that looked lacklustre because the movies that succeeded elsewhere simply aren't what the audiences like here. It's not like the rest of the year is hopeless. It seems to have decent presales, and the two biggest movies of the year haven't come out yet either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 5 hours ago, George Parr said: I'd say high ticket prices very much are the reason. Prices don't need to rise much, it is enough when they are constantly at a high level. High prices paired with nothing worth of interest leads to not a lot of people going to the movies. France takes the opposite approach, and it is succeeding with it. That isn't to say that moving to similar prices would have the same effect here, sometimes the damage is already done. Simply put, the foreign releases didn't really offer much this year. Comic book movies don't matter all that much here, so that already takes away stuff like Wonder Woman, GotG, Spiderman or Logan. Though GotG did rather well for that kind of movie actually. Despicable Me 3 simply isn't Minions, which always have been the most popular part about that franchise, but it still improved over part 2. Beauty and the Beast is tough to judge, but these kind of remakes don't seem to raise much interest here either. BatB is already at the upper end, compared to a movie like Jungle Book. So more or less everything big that came out in the US doesn't really match the tastes of the german audiences. POTC, as a former popular franchise collapsed even more. The only biggish movies that probably held better in Germany than in the US were Fifty Shades Darker and FF8, with a surprisingly good number for Baywatch, compared to what it made elsewhere. In other words: the US didn't really offer anything of worth lately, which showed in Germany as well. And the times before that looked lacklustre because the movies that succeeded elsewhere simply aren't what the audiences like here. It's not like the rest of the year is hopeless. It seems to have decent presales, and the two biggest movies of the year haven't come out yet either. Yes, partly it's the ticket prices. But often there's no interest in general. Everytime I walk through Munich on my way into the cinema I'm a bit "angry" to see the large amount of people who sit in the many lounges, pubs and cafés around where a single drink costs almost as much as a ticket (2D). And as said in earlier talks, cinema itself was never that popular here and now with many possibilities to see a film not long after its release comfortable at home it has become even more difficult. Obviously the quantity of fans who are willing to pay more for a theater experience is limited no matter which topics the films have. But of course we also need fresh new ideas especially when it comes to the blockbusters and bigger films, that's true. Let's see, the autumn could indeed make up for the summer and hopefully 2018 will offer more films that connect with the audience. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 (edited) The second trend (every film stays either flat or did improve): #1 Kingsman 2: 225k #2 Ninjago: 150k #3 High Society: 100k (-20%) #4 The Circle 55k (-28%) #5 Bullyparade: 50k (-52%) #6 mother!: 45k (-35%) #7 Annabelle 2: 37.5k (-43%) #8 Lucky Logan 35k (-50%) #9 Barry Seal: 32.5k (-50%-> not the holds I hoped for ) #10 Happy Family: 27.5k (-42%) #11 Die Pfefferkörner: 25k (-39%) Edited September 23, 2017 by el sid 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 ugh, that's a 50% drop for Cruise ... mother! also with a drop in the 35% range despite the arthousey appeal. But Circle and High Society are holding well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 (edited) With 3rd Trend Kingsman2 is now down to 210k... Ninjago 150k High Society 90k -28%/-41% The Circle 52,5k -31% Bully 52,5k -50% mother! 42,5k -39% Annabelle 40k -35% Edited September 24, 2017 by Aristis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepItU25071906 Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Aristis said: With 3rd Trend Kingsman2 is now down to 210k... Annabelle 40k -31% Kingsman Annabelle has solid WOM, as I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 1 hour ago, KeepItU25071906 said: Kingsman Annabelle has solid WOM, as I see. Annabelle has great WOM for a Horror movie (even if I calculated a wrong drop...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 Germany's Top20 last weekend: title admissions th. PTA total adm. total € drop week 1 Kingsman 2 196.625 601 327 216.579 2.076.762 - 1 2 The Lego Ninjago Movie 157.515 558 282 163.695 1.224.829 - 1 3 High Society 90.294 482 187 282.327 2.321.404 -28 2 4 Bullyparade 55.315 633 87 1.729.509 13.957.871 -47 6 5 The Circle 50.308 343 147 312.092 2.575.335 -34 3 6 mother! 41.609 358 116 133.069 1.194.709 -41 2 7 Annabelle 2 36.807 438 84 561.138 5.003.434 -40 5 8 Happy Family 32.928 575 57 357.824 2.550.464 -30 5 9 American Made 31.513 493 64 281.902 2.367.821 -51 3 10 Logan Lucky 30.964 356 87 152.196 1.201.009 -70 2 11 Die Pfefferkörner und der Fluch … 26.198 524 50 144.493 930.236 -36 3 12 Despicable Me 3 22.659 450 50 4.486.335 36.864.244 -36 12 13 The Glass Castle 15.881 102 156 20.808 155.953 - 1 14 Grießnockerlaffäre 15.478 256 60 773.362 6.075.865 -53 8 15 Jugend ohne Gott 15.236 254 60 180.337 1.403.654 -31 4 16 A Teströl és Lélekröl 14.902 83 180 16.052 123.955 - 1 17 Emoji 14.825 369 40 623.456 4.483.764 -36 8 18 Ostwind 3 14.499 430 34 1.036.363 6.942.955 -38 9 19 The Hitman's Bodyguard 12.876 268 48 267.496 2.295.805 -62 4 20 À bras ouverts 12.417 194 64 23.310 163.706 - 1 Depressing weekend once more … Kingsman 2 didn't reach the first one's numbers (but at least is having something like a decent opening); The LEGO Ninjago Movie dropped hard from the prior LEGO movies (which were not too bestselling in the first place). Drops were bad, too … ugly, ugly weekend. Next weekend: No way next weekend will be as depressing as this one - with two big openers, Cars 3 and It, business is bound to go up, but let's see if those releases live up to expectations. Even if Cars 2 was not that well received, an opening in the 500k range seems possible for the Pixar release, and the King adaption might soar to similar levels (I don't really believe so but with good presales and a final marketing push, 300k should be the absolutely lowest limit). 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kramerica1975 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) On 27.9.2017 at 8:36 AM, IndustriousAngel said: Next weekend: No way next weekend will be as depressing as this one - with two big openers, Cars 3 and It, business is bound to go up, but let's see if those releases live up to expectations. Even if Cars 2 was not that well received, an opening in the 500k range seems possible for the Pixar release, and the King adaption might soar to similar levels (I don't really believe so but with good presales and a final marketing push, 300k should be the absolutely lowest limit). I think It will be huge here with more than 600k. first weekend admission. Edited September 28, 2017 by Kramerica1975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 that would be excellent! At least marketing is working hard, there's reviews in every paper and even some clowns in the streets, they're really pushing this! Would be a nice relief from the horrible summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I don't think it will miss 500k. Early numbers seem to be great. If it won't be frontloaded it could reach 3xKingsman (or more considering Kingsman was frontloaded), I think... I wan't the Thursday numbers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Some Thursday estimates from insidekino.de/forum: New releases:It: 145.5k (released in 660 theaters, mostly reviews around 7/10, some are (even) better) - a great start! And the member of insidekino who counts and posts these estimates says it's a conservative estimate Cars 3 - Evolution: 4k evening only! (614, with one exception ok and good reviews) Rock My Heart: ?k (365, mostly ok reviews, some are very good) Victoria und Abdul: 6k (300, ok and good reviews) Tal der Wölfe: Vaterland: ?k (ca. 70, no reviews so far) Holdovers: Kingsman - The Golden Circle: 21k (actuals last Thursday 32k) - would be a good hold High Society: 6k (12k) The Circle: 3.5k (8k) - probably again higher in actuals mother!: 2k (6.5) - the same Schloss aus Glas: 1k (2k) Hereinspaziert! / À bras ouverts: 1.5k (1.5k) Edited September 28, 2017 by el sid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalismanRing Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 On 9/23/2017 at 6:32 AM, IndustriousAngel said: ugh, that's a 50% drop for Cruise ... mother! also with a drop in the 35% range despite the arthousey appeal. But Circle and High Society are holding well. The Circle? Why???????????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinaTakla Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) Austria Yearly Box Office Rank Movie Title Distributor Gross Release 1 Despicable Me 3 UPI $4,883,728 7/7 2 Fifty Shades Darker UPI $4,449,808 2/10 3 Beauty and the Beast (2017) Disney $4,173,297 3/16 4 The Fate of the Furious UPI $4,159,760 4/14 5 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales Disney $3,717,328 5/25 6 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 Disney $3,450,633 4/27 7 Baywatch PPI $3,443,070 6/1 8 The Boss Baby Fox $2,259,646 3/30 9 Spider-Man: Homecoming Sony $1,755,851 7/14 Edited September 29, 2017 by MinaTakla 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 Oh wow, Friday estimates arew online and it's looking much better than I thought; It is on its way to a 750k+ weekend! Cars3 otoh is behind my expectations with only 275k, but finally a really good overall weekend! Kingsman2 is estimated at 150k, that would be a 24% drop - nice after the not so great opening! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) It looked like "It" has a 3-4 multiplier compared to Kingsman yesterday so I'm not surprised. But let's hope it's not too frontloaded. Reservations look very good for today and Saturday but Sunday could be better. Monday is often used as a bridge day and Tuesday is a legal holiday. And some Thursday actuals (source as always Blickpunkt:Film): It: 130k / 1.2M Euro / 1.4M US$ - a little bit disappointing compared to yesterday, even lower than the conservative estimate Cars 3: 20k Kingsman 2: 20k - very nice (32k last Thursday) High Society: 7.5k Victoria und Abdul: 7.3k -> 60k OW predicted in the first trend, in line with expectations Tal der Wölfe: Vaterland: 3.150 admissions Rock My Heart: 2k -> 27.5k OW predicted, underperforming Edited September 29, 2017 by el sid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 I saw Victoria & Abdul yesterday, well received but not a big seller - should have some legs though. With the big marketing push, a bit of frontloading for It seems only natural, let's see how it plays out but with those numbers it should still be doing fine until helloween. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giesi Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Mark G has to delay the Saturday Update, but he says in the forum that IT has risen to 850k on the low-end already It‘s just getting bigger and bigger, 2nd biggest opening weekend of 2017 should be reachable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the beast Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 So How is IT's weekend looking in terms of dollars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...