Carlangonz Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Brainbug said: I think with all this we can say that these 4 steps could potentially help the german box office/theaters immensely: 1. Make tickets and theater food like popcorn etc cheaper. Yes, making things cheaper seems counterproductive on surface, but if theatergoing will get cheaper, more and more people here will be willing to watch movies because they can finally afford it. Especially familys. 2. A better schedules for all movies. More movies in the winter/Holidy season pls! Less big movies in the summer, more in the Fall and Spring! Its in the summer when its hot and sunny where most germans prefer pretty much every outdoor activity more than going to the theaters. This doesnt mean no summer releases ofc, but just less and more spread-out, so they dont cannibalize each other. 3. Stop the 3D nonsense. 4. This is not directed at Hollywood, this is directed at the afwul state of german filmmaking: Make better movies! Sadly with exception of No. 2 I think everything applies to many markets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamengo81 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 45 minutes ago, Carlangonz said: Sadly with exception of No. 2 I think everything applies to many markets. True, especially number No. 1. Here in my city in Brazil, which is a very big capital city but in one of the poorest states in the country and thusfar a lot cheaper than Rio/São Paulo, if you buy one movie ticket to a 3D session at the weekend and a Popcorno/Soda combo, for example, you will probably spend something around R$70 to R$100 which is 5-7% of the minimum wage. Let alone the price you pay for parking at the shopping, gas (which to fill the tank you spend aprox. 23% of the minimum wage) and etc... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Jane Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 “The Way of Water” breaks the German cinema record In Germany, “The Way of Water” managed the feat of even becoming the most successful film of 2022. In just two weeks, the blockbuster sold more tickets in this country than the previous leader “Minions – In Search of the Mini Boss”, which speaks volumes about the enormous interest in the film. This is also clear in view of the latest record: the “Avatar” sequel defended first place in the cinema charts with outstanding revenues of 15.5 million euros thanks to 1.13 million tickets sold. No film has ever done that on its fourth weekend after the start. Unsurprisingly, James Cameron broke a record that he had previously set himself: “Titanic” had 1.07 million viewers and revenues of 7.2 million euros on the fourth weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Brainbug said: But you had terrible german sentence structure in the middle sentence. For german speakers, it reads more like: "I have to say something, don't I? How there is no possibility, i should not. It is a must. I mean it clears up the moment i saw your english version, but it was confusing haha. The english "like ... [...]" that often begins sentences doesnt have the same meaning in german, its not a 1:1 translation. "Wie" has a different meaning, depending on the context (most of the times, its an interrogative sentence). Hör auf, Fakten zu spinnen. Ich hoffe, du lernst bald Deutsch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainbug Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, charlie Jatinder said: Hör auf, Fakten zu spinnen. Ich hoffe, du lernst bald Deutsch. Fun Fact: Im stuying history and german at my university. In a few years im actually teaching german at school so im confident in myself that i know a bit about german grammar Btw the "Fakten spinnen" is nonsense. You probabaly got that from the english "to spin facts" but the german equivalant to that is "Fakten verdrehen". The word "Spinnen" as a verb has a different meaning in german, its the english "spinning." Du hast noch einen weiten Weg vor dir, bevor du die deutsche Sprache meisterhaft beherrschst, mein junger Padawan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 55 minutes ago, Brainbug said: Btw the "Fakten spinnen" is nonsense. are you telling me multi-billion dollar company google lied to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 On 1/3/2023 at 9:42 AM, charlie Jatinder said: Austria Christmas weekend for record Rang Titel Verleih Besuche Wochenende Besuche gesamt 1 Avatar 2: The Way of Water Disney 67.673 288.196 2 Gestiefelte Kater, Der: Der letzte Wunsch UPI 24.002 35.650 3 Räuber Hotzenplotz, Der Const/STCanal 10.801 46.733 4 Weihnachtsfest für Teddy, Ein Polyfilm 8.613 47.409 5 Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Disney 3.335 178.705 6 Strange World Disney 3.222 38.506 7 Whitney Houston: I Wanna Dance with Somebody Sony 2.338 3.786 8 Violent Night UPI 2.128 31.392 9 Magic Flute, The - Das vermächtnis der Zauberflöte Const/Tobis 2.826 24.893 10 Oskars Kleid Warner Bros 1.989 2.615 Rang Titel Verleih Besuche Wochenende Besuche gesamt 1 Avatar 2: The Way of Water Disney 77.550 531.022 2 Gestiefelte Kater, Der: Der letzte Wunsch UPI 21.887 94.352 3 Räuber Hotzenplotz, Der Const/STCanal 8.286 68.199 4 Whitney Houston: I Wanna Dance with Somebody Sony 4.329 16.842 5 Oskars Kleid Warner Bros 4.156 15.169 6 Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Disney 3.126 186.118 7 Schule der magischen Tiere 2, Die Const/Leonine 2.873 231.182 8 Was man von hier aus sehen kann Const/STCanal 2.107 3.110 9 Menu, The Disney 1.548 46.409 10 Violent Night UPI 1.732 36.297 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said: -Snip- Seriously now, They are simply delaying weekend chart by whole week now. It was 2 days late 1st, then 4 days late and now whole week. they put out Local film chart almost next day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brainbug Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, charlie Jatinder said: are you telling me multi-billion dollar company google lied to me? Yes, i do. "Fakten spinnen" in the sense of the english "to spin facts" is not something any german would ever say lol. Problem with Google Translator and other instant translation methods is often that they take words face-value and while that works in many cases, in others it fails hilariously because some words just dont have a 1:1 translation in other languages or cant be used in the same way as in the original language. One of my personal favourite examples is: German: "Ich glaube, ich spinne!" to English: "I believe, i spider!" This is a face-value direct translation of all the german words into english, but the german "ich spinne!" is in fact in english something like "im going crazy!" because it comes from the verb "spinnen" (english: similar to "beeing mad/crazy") and not the word "Spider" in the sense of the animal. God im probably annoying everyone who wants to see box office numbers in this thread LOL 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 hours ago, Brainbug said: Fun Fact: Im stuying history and german at my university. In a few years im actually teaching german at school so im confident in myself that i know a bit about german grammar Btw the "Fakten spinnen" is nonsense. You probabaly got that from the english "to spin facts" but the german equivalant to that is "Fakten verdrehen". The word "Spinnen" as a verb has a different meaning in german, its the english "spinning." Du hast noch einen weiten Weg vor dir, bevor du die deutsche Sprache meisterhaft beherrschst, mein junger Padawan. Oh, a fellow teacher - but German and history - chemistry and mathematics are far better You do sound like a teacher xD Ich bin aktuell im meinem Referendariat:) 7 hours ago, Bruce said: “The Way of Water” breaks the German cinema record In Germany, “The Way of Water” managed the feat of even becoming the most successful film of 2022. In just two weeks, the blockbuster sold more tickets in this country than the previous leader “Minions – In Search of the Mini Boss”, which speaks volumes about the enormous interest in the film. This is also clear in view of the latest record: the “Avatar” sequel defended first place in the cinema charts with outstanding revenues of 15.5 million euros thanks to 1.13 million tickets sold. No film has ever done that on its fourth weekend after the start. Unsurprisingly, James Cameron broke a record that he had previously set himself: “Titanic” had 1.07 million viewers and revenues of 7.2 million euros on the fourth weekend. Slightly more than doubling the € - that's insane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nox Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Slightly off-topic, but FB3 did reach 3m admissions after all. http://insidekino.de/DJahr/D2022.htm 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 Germany's Top20 last weekend: title admissions th. PTA total adm. total € drop week 1 Avatar 2 1.132.880 739 1.533 6.510.435 87.516.932 +6 4 2 Puss in Boots 2 255.013 633 403 997.853 8.392.480 +24 3 3 Operation Fortune 125.947 480 262 142.615 1.344.431 - 1 4 Der Räuber Hotzenplotz 99.033 710 139 654.143 4.756.232 +12 5 5 Oskars Kleid 86.909 579 150 341.532 3.103.823 +14 3 6 The Banshees of Inisherin 63.416 120 528 69.125 658.625 - 1 7 Die Schule der magischen Tiere 2 54.644 381 143 2.529.556 18.496.566 +56 15 8 I Wanna Dance with Somebody 48.621 430 113 209.826 2.122.378 +5 3 9 Was man von hier aus sehen kann 37.069 143 259 93.218 831.775 +32 2 10 Black Panther 2 18.954 182 104 1.496.801 16.979.479 -12 9 11 Einfach mal was Schönes 16.336 282 58 606.317 5.606.997 -16 8 12 Hui Buh und das Hexenschloss 15.783 277 57 519.247 3.959.869 +8 10 13 Belle & Sebastian 2 14.611 253 58 14.634 110.146 - 1 14 Triangle of Sadness 13.708 126 109 429.881 4.127.266 +25 13 15 Strange World 13.569 236 57 284.048 2.235.104 -1 7 16 The Menu 12.396 130 95 307.477 2.891.647 +14 8 17 Die Mucklas... 11.594 167 69 270.027 1.906.503 +44 12 18 She Said 11.109 121 92 121.904 1.107.407 +28 5 19 Rheingold 10.172 97 105 991.601 9.845.635 +4 11 20 Terrifier 2 9.796 157 62 93.824 994.812 +30 5 Wonderful weekend - nearly every release had some satisfying numbers! Operation Fortune opened much higher than the latest Guy Richie crime comedy, and The Banshees of Inisherin had a healthy PTA - as did Puss in Boots 2 which is making up for the depressed OW. And then there's Avatar 2 which is simply blowing everything out of the water - highest 4th weekend ever! 9mil total are a lock and 10mil in play … crazy! And congratulations to domestic children's book adaption Die Schule der magischen Tiere 2 which crossed 2,5mil total - a lot stronger than part 1 which was already considered a big success! Once more, Austria's weekend was even better, Avatar is already past 700k here (the 4th weekend was actually its biggest to date), Puss and Fortune and Hotzenplotz were a lot stronger, too - so we had 4 releases >10k admissions. Next weekend: Of course, with holidays now officially over, we have to get used to more "normal" numbers, but there's little doubt Avatar 2 will continue to draw in the crowds - can it come near 700k? The only "big" opener will be M3gan … and while there's no other horror release in theaters atm, there's very little breathing space in the evening - Top 3 would be a surprise. As an aside - I have no idea what Disney is doing with Strange World … on a weekend where nearly every release increased (and family stuff even more so), this dropped again. Just sad. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, IndustriousAngel said: Germany's Top20 last weekend: title admissions th. PTA total adm. total € drop week 1 Avatar 2 1.132.880 739 1.533 6.510.435 87.516.932 +6 4 2 Puss in Boots 2 255.013 633 403 997.853 8.392.480 +24 3 3 Operation Fortune 125.947 480 262 142.615 1.344.431 - 1 4 Der Räuber Hotzenplotz 99.033 710 139 654.143 4.756.232 +12 5 5 Oskars Kleid 86.909 579 150 341.532 3.103.823 +14 3 6 The Banshees of Inisherin 63.416 120 528 69.125 658.625 - 1 7 Die Schule der magischen Tiere 2 54.644 381 143 2.529.556 18.496.566 +56 15 8 I Wanna Dance with Somebody 48.621 430 113 209.826 2.122.378 +5 3 9 Was man von hier aus sehen kann 37.069 143 259 93.218 831.775 +32 2 10 Black Panther 2 18.954 182 104 1.496.801 16.979.479 -12 9 11 Einfach mal was Schönes 16.336 282 58 606.317 5.606.997 -16 8 12 Hui Buh und das Hexenschloss 15.783 277 57 519.247 3.959.869 +8 10 13 Belle & Sebastian 2 14.611 253 58 14.634 110.146 - 1 14 Triangle of Sadness 13.708 126 109 429.881 4.127.266 +25 13 15 Strange World 13.569 236 57 284.048 2.235.104 -1 7 16 The Menu 12.396 130 95 307.477 2.891.647 +14 8 17 Die Mucklas... 11.594 167 69 270.027 1.906.503 +44 12 18 She Said 11.109 121 92 121.904 1.107.407 +28 5 19 Rheingold 10.172 97 105 991.601 9.845.635 +4 11 20 Terrifier 2 9.796 157 62 93.824 994.812 +30 5 Wonderful weekend - nearly every release had some satisfying numbers! Operation Fortune opened much higher than the latest Guy Richie crime comedy, and The Banshees of Inisherin had a healthy PTA - as did Puss in Boots 2 which is making up for the depressed OW. And then there's Avatar 2 which is simply blowing everything out of the water - highest 4th weekend ever! 9mil total are a lock and 10mil in play … crazy! And congratulations to domestic children's book adaption Die Schule der magischen Tiere 2 which crossed 2,5mil total - a lot stronger than part 1 which was already considered a big success! Once more, Austria's weekend was even better, Avatar is already past 700k here (the 4th weekend was actually its biggest to date), Puss and Fortune and Hotzenplotz were a lot stronger, too - so we had 4 releases >10k admissions. Next weekend: Of course, with holidays now officially over, we have to get used to more "normal" numbers, but there's little doubt Avatar 2 will continue to draw in the crowds - can it come near 700k? The only "big" opener will be M3gan … and while there's no other horror release in theaters atm, there's very little breathing space in the evening - Top 3 would be a surprise. As an aside - I have no idea what Disney is doing with Strange World … on a weekend where nearly every release increased (and family stuff even more so), this dropped again. Just sad. I feel like the 10% rule for Austria hasn't really worked in the past year (Austria always did a little more than a tenth of the German box office - because the population is slightly more than a tenth of the German one: ~9m for Austria and 84.3m for Germany - so 10.7% and they were overall slightly more likely to go to the cinema the difference depending on the year being negligible or very small though). 2022 had big outliners like TGM (completely different worlds). And right now most movies are ahead by quite a lot in Austria (PiB should probably be approaching 140k already (more than 40% ahead). Hotzenplotz above 85k etc. Black Panther is around 190k. Right now Oskars Kleid seems to be the only exception. RO had pretty awful late legs and only added around 1.5 its 4th weekend. If we take TFA for example, Avatar would add another 2.78m and end its run with 9.29m - that should definitely be not too hard. It it follow NWH it would add another 4.06m and end with 10.57m. It definitely won't follow the original Avatar though, cause that added around 9.5times its 4th weekend and for Avatar 2 that would mean 10.59m and a 17.1m total. or if you see it differently it did a little more than double its 4th weekend total - even that would mean around 14m for Avatar 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristis Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) AVATAR 1 AVATAR 2 1st WE 893 --- 893 1.157 --- 1.332 midweek 594 --- 1.487 481 --- 1.813 1.487 --- 1.638 --- 2nd WE 857 -4% 2.344 735 -36% 2.548 midweek 850 +43% 3.194 1.101 +129% 3.649 1.707 +15% 1.836 +12% 3rd WE 740 -14% 3.934 1.067 +45% 4.716 midweek 496 -42% 4.430 661 -40% 5.377 1.236 -28% 1.728 -6% 4th WE 625 -16% 5.055 1.133 +6% 6.510 midweek 212 -57% 5.267 235* -64% 6.745* 837 -32% 1.368 -21% 5th WE 598 -4% 5.865 midweek 219 +3% 6.084 817 -2% 6th WE 593 -1% 6.677 midweek 189 -14% 6.866 782 -4% 7th WE 528 -11% 7.394 midweek 219 16% 7.613 747 -4% 8th WE 547 +4% 8.160 midweek 149 -32% 8.309 696 -7% 9th WE 398 -27% 8.707 midweek 190 28% 8.897 588 -16% 10th WE 370 -7% 9.267 midweek 99 -48% 9.366 469 -20% Total 12,2x 12,2x 10.897M** 8,21x*** 7,13x 9.500M *following RO midweek **only 1st release ***multipler from 4-day and 5-day OW respectively A2s lead grew from its low point, 204k after 2nd WE, to 1,455M after 4th WE (and maybe around 1,550M after 5th WE if it dropped 40% to 675k). The lead should start to shrink over the course of the 5th weekdays. https://www.insidekino.com/Y/DuellJC.htm Edited January 10, 2023 by Aristis 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Jane Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 If its break 10m admission it will have €130m+ box office Insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bruce said: If its break 10m admission it will have €130m+ box office Insane ATP right now is €13.44. (4th weekend had an ATP of €13.66) - so looks like it might stay around €13.45 ATP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Jane Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Taruseth said: ATP right now is €13.44. (4th weekend had an ATP of €13.66) - so looks like it might stay around €13.45 ATP. Germany box office probably higher than France France ATP is only around $10.5 Need 14m beat Germany Edited January 10, 2023 by Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bruce said: Germany box office probably higher than France France ATP is only around $10.5 Need 14m beat Germany Right now I'd say France still holds the edge. Around 14m would translate to roughly $147m with your ATP While around 10m in Germany would translate to roughly $142m. Both are going to be far closer to A1 Dollargross than anticipated though - most predictions in the Summer were probably around $70m-$80m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanks Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 AUSTRIA: 06.01.2023 - 08.01.2023 Movie Title Weekend Total Avatar: The Way of Water Disney 14.12.2022 €1,749,743 €11,469,021 Puss in Boots: The Last Wish Universal 12/22/2022 €315,319 €1,592,704 Operation Fortune Const/Leonine 01/05/2023 €197,083 €354,869 The Robber Hotzenplotz Constantine 08.12.2022 €120,153 €850,567 Whitney Houston: I Wanna Dance with Somebody Sony 12/22/2022 €64,738 €321,146 Oscar's dress warner 12/22/2022 €59,836 €273,088 The Banshees of Inisherin Disney 01/05/2023 €48,789 €86,343 The School of Magical Animals 2 Const/Leonine 09/29/2022 €45,118 €1,987,495 Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Disney 11/09/2022 €33,924 €2,522,740 The Menu Disney 11/17/2022 €28,652 €498,455 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taruseth Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Shanks said: AUSTRIA: 06.01.2023 - 08.01.2023 Movie Title Weekend Total Avatar: The Way of Water Disney 14.12.2022 €1,749,743 €11,469,021 Puss in Boots: The Last Wish Universal 12/22/2022 €315,319 €1,592,704 Operation Fortune Const/Leonine 01/05/2023 €197,083 €354,869 The Robber Hotzenplotz Constantine 08.12.2022 €120,153 €850,567 Whitney Houston: I Wanna Dance with Somebody Sony 12/22/2022 €64,738 €321,146 Oscar's dress warner 12/22/2022 €59,836 €273,088 The Banshees of Inisherin Disney 01/05/2023 €48,789 €86,343 The School of Magical Animals 2 Const/Leonine 09/29/2022 €45,118 €1,987,495 Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Disney 11/09/2022 €33,924 €2,522,740 The Menu Disney 11/17/2022 €28,652 €498,455 How f high is the ATP in Austria? roughly €15.15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...