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I agree that Dory OS gross is disappointing. That is undeniable. But to analyze how a OS figure has been done is necessary to see the different markets. It is not the same to make a third of the OS gross in one single market like Frozen or Zootopia than to have a more shared grossed like Minions or Pets. In that sense and for hypothetical sequels, the Illumination films are more likely to increase than the Disney films. As you well say, Pixar has waited a lot to deliver the Nemo sequel. And since Nemo grossed most of its money in Europe and Japan, and considering that those are not expanding markets, I see normal this behaviour (I say this now. Before release, my Pixar fan side was thinking this could make much more money. I was obviously wrong). I would say that the same pattern can be applied to Hobbit, for instance.

I was not excluding it. I just was trying to give a reason why Dory has not been able to match JB and Zootopia OS figures. It is obvious that Zootopia was a monster in China and much more higher than Dory. But another debate is if Dory even had grossed $150m in China it would have been considered a success or still a disappointment. But it is unquestionable that in terms of real dollars, independently of subjective considerations, China has been essential to set the difference between Dory, Zootopia and JB. After this we can debate what should have grossed Dory to be considered a success OS, 700? 750? 800? Hard to say.

Grosses OS without China: Finding Dory: $487m Jungle Book: $452m Zootopia: $447m Maybe some can say that it is unfair to not take into account one market, independently of its size, but in this case, China has been the key.

Maybe is too much for ask, but are there any predictions for those Nov-Dec movies?

October 14-16th (bold titles are local films) # (Last). Title: Total Gross (nº of weekend) 1 (1). A monster calls: €11,460,236 (2nd) 2 (N). Inferno: €1,838,473 (NEW) 3 (2). Storks: €4,056,693 (3rd) 4 (4). Sausage party: €2,529,861 (2nd) 5 (3). Miss Peregrine's Home...: €4,720,637 (3rd) 6 (N). Ozzy: €555,204 (NEW) 7 (5). Mechanic: Resurrection: €1,357,020 (2nd) 8 (N). Snowden: €173,969 (NEW) 9 (*). Bridget Jones Baby: €5,001,849 (5th) 10 (*). El hombre de las mil caras: €2,303,669 (4th) 11 (*). The Magnificent Seven: €2,981,479 (4th) 12 (*). Elle: €585,254 (3rd) 13 (*). The secret life of pets: €21,687,238 (11th) 14 (*). Don't breathe: €3,777,890 (7th) 15 (*). A quiet passion: €147,039 (2nd) 16 (*). Florence Foster Jenkins: €858,312 (4th) 17 (*). Cuerpo de élite: €6,481,582 (8th) 18 (*). L'avenir: €387,864 (4th) 19 (*). Captain Fantastic: €553,927 (4th) 20 (*). Café Society: €3,777,395 (8th) J.A.Bayona Films: The Impossible: €42,408,547 (#3 all time) 6,129,025 adm (#16 all time) The Orphanage: €25,061,450 (#16) 4,420,636 adm (#49) Unless something surprises (Rogue One), what I do not see likely, "A monster calls" is already locked to win the year. Top 10 Animation: Gross 1. Shrek 2: €28,207,541 (#11 all time) 2. Toy Story 3: €24,985,359 (#17) 3. Up: €24,922,426 (#18) 4. Minions: €24,434,195 (#20) 5. Finding Nemo: €23,814,431 (#21) 6. Shrek 3: €22,289,164 (#29) 7. Ice Age 3: €21,800,259 (#33) 8. Inside Out: €21,793,018 (#34) 9. The secret life of Pets: €21,687,238 (#35) 10. The Lion King: €20,365,244 (#39) Admissions 1. The Lion King: 6,319,833 (#13 all time) 2. Shrek 2: 6,079,145 (#17) 3. Finding Nemo: 4,989,415 (#31) 4. Beauty and the Beast: 4,927,692 (#37) 5. Tarzan: 4,796,008 (#41) 6. Minions: 4,321,355 (#51) 7. Shrek 3: 4,132,081 (#60) 8. Aladdin: 4,108,477 (#61) 9. Inside Out: 3,883,493 (#78) 10. The secret life of Pets: 3,845,910 (#80)

It set the biggest Wednesday ever (national holiday) with €2.4m. And next week (October 24th-26th) we have Fiesta del Cine (€2.90 tickets). It can have another big week. "A Monster..." is definitely a monster...

As @efialtes76 said, WOM seems to be great. "A monster calls" has set the biggest Wednesday ever in Spain. It grossed €2.4m on Wednesday 12th (National holiday) and sold 359,345 admissions. It was the second biggest film around the world, just behind Operation Mekong (China). The cume after 6 days is €7.3m. It seems early to call it a disappointment...

As you already said, nothing impressive. Disappointing

October 7 - 13: 1. Wonder Woman 2. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 3. War for the Planet of the Apes 4. Beauty and the Beast 5. Arrival 6. Dunkirk 7. Blade Runner 2049 8. Dr. Strange 9. Rogue One 10. Moana

"A Monster Calls", new J.A.Bayona film (director of Jurassic World 2), is being released today. I do not dare to give a prediction, but his last two films were enormous hits: The Orphanage: €25,061,450 (4,420,636 admissions). It ranks #16 all-time (#49 adjusted) The Impossible: €42,408,547 (6,129,025 admissions). It ranks #3 all-time (#16 adjusted)

September 30 - October 2 (bold titles are local films) # (Last). Title: Total Gross (nº of weekend) 1 (N) . Miss Peregrine's Home...: €1,804,361 (NEW) 2 (N) . Storks: €1,273,589 (NEW) 3 (1) . The Magnificent Seven: €2,107,100 (2nd) 4 (2) . Bridget Jones Baby: €3,994,033 (3rd) 5 (3) . El hombre de las mil caras: €1,467,133 (2nd) 6 (5) . Don't breathe: €3,415,962 (5th) 7 (4) . Cuerpo de élite: €6,228,370 (6th) 8 (7) . Florence Foster Jenkins: €575,063 (2nd) 9 (N) . Elle: €158,420 (NEW) 10 (6) . The secret life of pets: €21,361,298 (9th) 11 (9) . Captain Fantastic: €373,565 (2nd) 12 (12). Café Society: €3,633,444 (6th) 13 (10). War dogs: €1,615,423 (4th) 14 (N) . Sing Street: €76,441 (NEW) 15 (11). Nine lives: €1,367,104 (5th) 16 (17). L'avenir: €215,603 (2nd) 17 (N) . Vientos de La Habana: €68,271 (NEW) 18 (8) . Robinson Crusoe: €587,161 (3rd) 19 (13). Pete's dragon: €3,409,139 (7th) 20 (15). Ben-Hur: €2,757,318 (5th) Tim Burton as Director in Spain: 1. Alice in Wonderland: €22,785,941 (2,866,049 admissions) 2. Planet of the Apes: €13,733,120 (3,272,999) 3. Charlie and the Chocolat Factory: €8,363,663 (1,722,365) 4. Batman: €7,885,388 (3,536,426) 5. Dark Shadows: €6,102,157 (971,603) 6. Sleepy Hollow: €5,974,863 (1,529,228) 7. Corpse Bride: €4,385,656 (860,159) 8. Mars Attacks!: €3,996,215 (1,201,440) 9. Sweeny Todd: €3,303,665 (575,712) 10. Batman Returns: €2,825,818 (1,104,444) 11. Big Fish: €2,725,844 (563,282) 12. Frankenweenie: €2,262,099 (353,572) 13. Beetlejuice: €1,684,003 (909,730) 14. Big eyes: €693,978 (107,957) 15. Edward Scissorhands: €584,817 (256,333) 16. Ed Wood: €445,404 (132,038)

Glad to see Astérix films. They are so funny

September 30 - October 6: 1. Wonder Woman 2. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 3. War for the Planet of the Apes 4. Beauty and the Beast 5. Arrival 6. Dunkirk 7. Dr. Strange 8. Rogue One 9. A monster calls 10. Moana

I have read that she will be Mrs. Hubbard. That is Lauren Bacall's role in 1974 film, which was, IMO, one of the best characters of the film.

September 23 - 29: 1. Wonder Woman 2. Guardians of the Galaxy 2 3. War for the Planet of the Apes 4. Beauty and the Beast 5. Dunkirk 6. Dr. Strange 7. Rogue One 8. A monster calls 9. Passengers 10. Moana

September 23-25 (bold titles are local films) # (Last). Title: Total Gross (nº of weekend) 1 (N) . The Magnificent Seven: €1,035,693 (NEW) 2 (1) . Bridget Jones Baby: €2,967,391 (2nd) 3 (N) . El hombre de las mil caras: €649,155 (NEW) 4 (2) . Cuerpo de élite: €5,900,855 (5th) 5 (3) . Don't breathe: €3,061,503 (4th) 6 (4) . The secret life of pets: €21,034,211 (8th) 7 (N) . Florence Foster Jenkins: €250,675 (NEW) 8 (9) . Robinson Crusoe: €493,132 (2nd) 9 (N) . Captain Fantastic: €182,510 (NEW) 10 (5) . War dogs: €1,466,275 (3rd) 11 (11). Nine lives: €1,251,763 (4th) 12 (7) . Café Society: €3,472,357 (5th) 13 (14). Pete's dragon: €3,346,078 (6th) 14 (6) . Free state of Jones: €512,867 (2nd) 15 (8) . Ben-Hur: €2,675,125 (4th) 16 (10). Tarde para la ira: €912,535 (3rd) 17 (N) . L'avenir: €84,637 (NEW) 18 (17). Kubo and the two strings: €1,595,504 (5th) 19 (15). The Little Prince: €509,794 (3rd) 20 (16). Lights out: €4,591,262 (6th) For the record: Bridget Jones's Diary (2001): €13,643,809 Bridget Jones: The edge of reason (2004): €8,144,994 Top 10 animation: 1. Shrek 2: €28,207,541 2. Toy Story 3: €24,985,359 3. Up: €24,922,426 4. Minions: €24,434,195 5. Finding Nemo: €23,814,431 6. Shrek 3: €22,289,164 7. Inside Out: €21,802,136 8. Ice Age 3: €21,800,259 9. The Secret life of Pets: €21,034,211 10. The Lion King: €20,365,244

Divide by 100, more or less (today 1$=100.5 Yen). So: Your Name: $111m Godzilla: $73.3m Dory: $67.7m You can easily get the value of each currency against dollar in google (just type "dollar yen")

This is my list (finally, 60 films): 1. Fantasia (1940) 2. Spirited Away (2001) 3. WALL-E (2008) 4. Inside Out (2015) 5. Toy Story 3 (2010) 6. Beauty and the Beast (1991) 7. Howl's moving castle (2004) 8. Ponyo (2008) 9. Grave of the fireflies (1988) 10. Snow White and the seven dwarves (1937) 11. Princess Mononoke (1997) 12. My neighbor Totoro (1988) 13. Monsters Inc. (2001) 14. Ratatouille (2007) 15. Toy Story 2 (1999) 16. The twelve tasks of Asterix (1976) 17. Shrek (2001) 18. Cinderella (1950) 19. The Incredibles (2004) 20. Finding Nemo (2003) 21. Asterix in Britain (1986) 22. The Jungle Book (1967) 23. Aladdin (1992) 24. Toy Story (1995) 25. Up (2009) 26. Robin Hood (1973) 27. Shrek 2 (2004) 28. Nightmare before Christmas (1993) 29. The sword in the stone (1963) 30. Sleeping beauty (1959) 31. Peter Pan (1953) 32. Frozen (2013) 33. Tangled (2010) 34. Lady and the tramp (1955) 35. The three caballeros (1944) 36. A Bug's Life (1998) 37. 101 Dalmatians (1961) 38. The Lion King (1994) 39. Bambi (1942) 40. Pinocchio (1940) 41. Alice in Wonderland (1951) 42. The Croods (2013) 43. Asterix and Cleopatra (1967) 44. Dumbo (1941) 45. Asterix the Gaul (1968) 46. Asterix and Caesar (1985) 47. How to train your dragon (2010) 48. Cars (2006) 49. Despicable me (2010) 50. Despicable me 2 (2013) 51. Pocahontas (1995) 52. Ice Age (2002) 53. Shrek the Third (2007) 54. Puss in boots (2011) 55. Monsters University (2013) 56. The good dinosaur (2015) 57. Bolt (2008) 58. Brave (2012) 59. Cars 2 (2011) 60. Minions (2015)

It deserves each yen, dollar, euro or whatever grossed.

L.A. Confidential is a masterpiece. And I like a lot Wonder Boys. RIP

September 16-18 (bold titles are local films) # (Last). Title: Total Gross (nº of weekend) 1 (N) . Bridget Jones Baby: €1,440,270 (NEW) 2 (1) . Cuerpo de élite: €5,415,464 (4th) 3 (3) . Don't breathe: €2,610,988 (3rd) 4 (5) . The secret life of pets: €20,678,465 (7th) 5 (2) . War dogs: €1,174,584 (2nd) 6 (N) . Free state of Jones: €281,797 (NEW) 7 (6) . Café Society: €3,195,584 (4th) 8 (4) . Ben-Hur: €2,475,308 (3rd) 9 (N) . Robinson Crusoe: €236,999 (NEW) 10 (7) . Tarde para la ira: €719,727 (2nd) 11 (9) . Nine lives: €1,047,565 (3rd) 12 (N) . The Beatles: eight days a week: €237,000 (NEW) 13 (N) . Morgan: €154,387 (NEW) 14 (12). Pete's dragon: €3,198,628 (5th) 15 (11). The Little Prince: €398,753 (2nd) 16 (10). Lights out: €4,491,922 (5th) 17 (13). Kubo and the two strings: €1,499,896 (4th) 18 (N) . El futuro ya no es lo que era: €90,705 (NEW) 19 (8) . Bold father: €430,469 (2nd) 20 (14). Suicide Squad: €11,141,494 (7th) Pets has already outgrossed The Lion King. It ranks #37 all time. Next animated films to reach are Inside Out and Ice Age 3, both with €21.8m. Suicide Squad has matched The Dark Knight. It will not reach TDKR (€11.9m), but it has outgrossed every 2016 SH film.

That is a lot of pressure for me MCU adjusting DOM and OS by DOM inflation (DOM / OS / WW): 1. The Avengers: 678.2 / 770.7 / 1.449b 2. Age of Ultron: 471.5 / 904.7 / 1.376b 3. Civil War: 408 / 734.5 / 1.142b 4. Iron Man 3: 435.7 / 700.3 / 1.136b 5. Guardians of the Galaxy: 353.2 / 387.0 / 740.2 6. The Winter Soldier: 275.3 / 407.7 / 683.0 7. Iron Man 2: 342.9 / 284.5 / 627.5 8. Iron Man: 384.0 / 240.1 / 624.2 9. The Dark World: 219.8 / 375.8 / 595.6 10. Ant-Man: 185.1 / 332.8 / 517.9 11. Thor: 197.7 / 220.0 / 417.7 12. Captain America: 192.9 / 156.0 / 348.9 13. The Incredible Hulk: 162.6 / 112.3 / 274.9 DCU adjusting DOM and OS by DOM inflation (DOM / OS / WW): 1. Batman v Superman: 330.4 / 542.0 / 872.4 2. Suicide Squad: 313.8 / 406.0 / 719.8 (not adjusted by ER. Inflation 1) 3. Man of Steel: 310.0 / 338.3 / 648.3 And finally, MCU+DCU adjusted by ER, not by inflation, and without China: 1. The Avengers: 1.245b 2. Age of Ultron: 1.100b 3. Civil War: 952m 4. Iron Man 3: 945m 5. Batman v Superman: 777m 6. Suicide Squad: 719m 7. Guardians of the Galaxy: 601m 8. Iron Man 2: 546m 9. Man of Steel: 545m 10. The Winter Soldier: 529m 11. The Dark World: 504m 12. Iron Man: 502m 13. Ant-Man: 399m 14. Thor: 382m 15. Captain America: 319m 16. The Incredible Hulk: 219m

As @Jason has said, it is easy for me to change the ER. I have just to collect the current ER (or whenever ER) and change one single column. That is maybe 5 minutes. I do not have to recalculate everything again To adjust with current ER is precisely to give a better view of the magnitude of each film with the current context (if we do not take into account inflation, of course). And people tend to forget very quickly and just live present. We live in a YA society. For that reason I think it is more useful to know that with today ER Civil War would had beaten IM3 than if we say that if Civil War had had 2013's ER it would had made about 1.3b. Although that is just my opinion. I can give lists using certain ER and if some of you prefer it, I can fix a historical moment (as Avatar release being the biggest film ever). We can do it as people prefer.

The story is devastating, horrible, extremely sad and, I fear, very realistic. I saw it 3 weeks ago and I still think about it. Fortunately, I have never lived in a country in war, but my grandparents, for example, did (Spanish Civil War, during 1936-1939). They told me some stories about living under bombs, the misery generated and how horrible it was. They always cried when they remembered those stories. If they were still alive, I would try to prevent them to not see this film. It is one of the most frightening films ever. I do not remember to have experienced this fear and anxiety with a film. But in the same way, it is a mandatory film. Everybody should see it.

I have my list (54 films for the moment), but I want to see some more films before deadline. I will post it later. I had not seen Grave of the fireflies. Such a great film. It is already in my top 10. But it is the most depressing film I have ever seen. I do not want to see it again for a long time.