Indian Box Office Thread | Jawan overtakes Pathaan, becomes highest grossing Indian movie of 2023

[a2k]

36 minutes ago, Charlie Jatinder said:

YRF themselves will be on receiving end.

 

they have $20m/140cr inr guarantee from china i read.

[Olive]

2 hours ago, a2k said:

they have $20m/140cr inr guarantee from china i read.

They want to sell TOI rights for 100cr~ 140+(15-20M USD) to Chinese distributors.

[a2k]

THUGS official figure for Wed 3.80cr (3.50 Hindi + 0.30 Non-Hindi)

 

PRDP				THUGS				THUGS-PRDP Gap
Weekday	Daily	Hold	Cume	Weekday	Daily	Hold	Cume	Daily	Cume
Thu	40.35		40.35	Thu	52.25		52.25	11.9	11.9
Fri	31.05	-23.05%	71.4	Fri	29.25	-44.02%	81.5	-1.8	10.1
Sat	30.07	-3.16%	101.47	Sat	23.5	-19.66%	105	-6.57	3.53
Sun	28.3	-5.89%	129.77	Sun	18	-23.40%	123	-10.3	-6.77
Mon	13.62	-51.87%	143.39	Mon	6	-66.67%	129	-7.62	-14.39
Tue	12.04	-11.60%	155.43	Tue	4.75	-20.83%	133.75	-7.29	-21.68
Wed	10.02	-16.78%	165.45	Wed	3.8	-20.00%	137.55	-6.22	-27.9

[Gavin Feng]

TOH passed the censorship in China as a split film.

[a2k]

 

2.9 Official Thu for THUGS (2.60 + 0.30)

 

PRDP				THUGS				THUGS-PRDP Gap
Weekday	Daily	Hold	Cume	Weekday	Daily	Hold	Cume	Daily	Cume
Thu	40.35		40.35	Thu	52.25		52.25	11.9	11.9
Fri	31.05	-23.05%	71.4	Fri	29.25	-44.02%	81.5	-1.8	10.1
Sat	30.07	-3.16%	101.47	Sat	23.5	-19.66%	105	-6.57	3.53
Sun	28.3	-5.89%	129.77	Sun	18	-23.40%	123	-10.3	-6.77
Mon	13.62	-51.87%	143.39	Mon	6	-66.67%	129	-7.62	-14.39
Tue	12.04	-11.60%	155.43	Tue	4.75	-20.83%	133.75	-7.29	-21.68
Wed	10.02	-16.78%	165.45	Wed	3.8	-20.00%	137.55	-6.22	-27.9
Thu	7.37	-26.45%	172.82	Thu	2.9	-23.68%	140.45	-4.47	-32.37

 

Edited November 16, 2018 by a2k

[a2k]

It's a zero sum game. Someone always looses and it's never those at the top.

 

https://www.rediff.com/movies/report/thugs-of-hindostan-super-flop-but-yrf-will-still-make-money/20181117.htm

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Those in the know, however, pointed out that despite the film's dismal run at the box office, YRF might come out of the debacle fairly unscathed financially.

It will be the exhibitors and smaller distributors who will take almost 75% of the hit.

"The Rs 1.5 billion to Rs 2 billion deficit in the film's collection, to allow everyone involved to make money or at least break even, will hurt the exhibitors and distributors the most. Many of the deals have been signed on a minimum guarantee basis. This means the risk is primarily taken by the exhibitor," says another film executive in the know.

While it has hedged its risk through its distribution model in India, YRF has also fortified the ancillary revenue streams for the movie.

It has an ongoing deal with Amazon Prime Video for OTT streaming rights, and has also sold the satellite rights of the film to Sony Pictures Network India. The two together are estimated to fetch YRF close to Rs 700 million.

In addition to this, the film's distribution rights in China have been sold to distribution firm E Stars for an estimated Rs 1 billion.

This means that the studio will be able to break even and make profits with the help of ancillary revenues.

Additionally, the film has been released abroad as well, and has collected around Rs 400 million so far, further adding to YRF's kitty.

While YRF may avoid huge losses on account of the film, the industry is disappointed in Thugs of Hindostan given its star cast (Aamir Khan Amitabh Bachchan, Katrina Kaif and Fatima Sana Shaikh), the time of release and the scale of release.

"It's not enough for the producer to make money. The various stakeholders -- distributors and exhibitors -- should not suffer, or at least the risk should be the same," says another distributor.

"Theatrical (business) is still the bread and butter for many in the eco-system, and if films don't do well in the theatres and have to depend on OTT and satellite revenues for profitability, then there is something wrong with the model."

 

[MaxAggressor]

What are the all time top BO disasters in India?? Where would ToH rank among them??

[a2k]

11 minutes ago, Charlie Jatinder said:

That's kind of complicated. I mean there was Tubelight last year with budget of ₹90cr, had huge ₹300cr plus recoveries from theatrical and ancillaries rights, but films Distributors who bought the Indian theatrical rights for ₹145cr approx, lost about ₹90cr.

Producer made over ₹200cr but distributor lost more than 60% of money.

The top disasters on basis of absolute  loss would be;

1. Thugs Of Hindostan

2. Tubelight

3. Bombay Velvet

4. Agnyaathavasi (Telugu)

5. SPYder (Telugu)

 

Other big disasters are Jab Harry Met Sejal, Dilwale, etc.

Dilwale is hardly a 'disaster'. Under-performed big time but evaded even the Flop tag as far as I know.

Edited November 18, 2018 by a2k

[Premium George]

Mohenjodaro.

[Gavin Feng]

http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/bollywood/exclusive-exhibitors-thugs-hindostan-mental-trauma-demand-refund-minimum-guarantee-yrf/

 

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Thugs of Hindostan has proved to be one of the biggest disasters of this decade as neither the producers nor the actor and not even the exhibitors have made money from this magnum opus starring Aamir Khan, Amitabh Bachchan film directed by Vijay Krishna Acharya. The only party for whom the film has proved to be a profitable venture are the sub-distributors of YRF who distributed the film on commission basis, as it has been the norm for all their films. Before getting into the actual issue, let us first explain the business model of Thugs of Hindostan.

Is this mean theaters lost money?

[a2k]

11 minutes ago, Gavin Feng said:

http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/bollywood/exclusive-exhibitors-thugs-hindostan-mental-trauma-demand-refund-minimum-guarantee-yrf/

 

Is this mean theaters lost money?

Yes. I think especially the scattered theatre owners across the country outside big cities. Single screens who are not part of big chains of multiplexes probably lost the most due to lack of negotiating power and also because the film was supposed to suit them thematically compared to more urban centers, so they paid a lot. A single screen union for collective negotiating is needed.

Edited November 19, 2018 by a2k

[Rahul Singh]

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[NamakFiskKa]

2 hours ago, Charlie Jatinder said:

 

 

 

[MaxAggressor]

http://www.bollywoodhungama.com/news/bollywood/scoop-china-distributors-thugs-hindostan-back-rs-110-crore-minimum-guarantee-deal/

 

Commenting on the same, a source close to the development reveals, “Estars Films had entered into an understanding with Yash Raj Films on a Rs. 110 cr minimum guarantee, but looking at the performance of Thugs of Hindostan at the domestic box office despite the massive promotions and the wide screen count, they have decided to rework the deal.” When prodded for further details the source continued, “Under the new deal that is being worked Estars is looking at entering into a revenue sharing deal with Yash Raj Films, while foregoing the predefined MG format. Currently, the poor performance and negative reviews the film received in India and overseas is being cited as the main reason.”

 

However, contrary to the reports, a trade source well in the know denies the same saying, “A renegotiation is definitely not on the cards. As far as I know, the deal and the said amount are cast in stone and remain the same, nothing has changed.” Further explaining the source continued, “Thugs of Hindostan is a big film and all deals were done before its release, notwithstanding the box office collections the deal will continue to remain the same”

 

While this change in deal is certainly a massive blow to the makers of Thugs of Hindostan we hear that even the release date of the film in China has now been changed. Though keeping in line with our previous report, the Chinese version of Thugs of Hindostan will see Amitabh Bachchan and Fatima Sana Sheikh’s roles being edited while enhancing Aamir Khan’s role will no longer release in December. Detailing this, the source adds, “Now that the deal between Estars Films and Yash Raj Films is being renegotiated, the release of Thug of Hindostan in China has been pushed. In fact, the film will now release only in January 2019, instead of December 2018 as mentioned earlier. But rest assured the run time of the film will be just 2 hours 21 minutes which is still shorter than the Indian version.”

 

However matters don’t end there. Letting out yet another detail the source tells us that unlike his previous visits to China, this time round Aamir Khan will skip his promotional visit. “Aamir Khan has become a household name in China, and given the success of his films here, the actor generally makes a trip to China to promote his films. But this time, Aamir will be giving China a miss, and will forego his usual visit to promote the film in China.” Now, with this latest bit of information, the Chinese box office prospects of Thugs of Hindostan have taken a massive blow. Given the rather competitive Chinese market and the plethora of releases, we guess only time will tell whether the Chinese release of Thugs of Hindostan will be a profitable venture for Yash Raj Films.

[Premium George]

Under.

[a2k]

THUGS an absolute stunner at the BO - Competition free Aaamir, AB, Kat, YashRajFilms Diwali release gets the OD record and becomes a disaster. Wouldn't have seen the sub-150cr Nett in a million years. And in an era when producers cash in mighty amounts even when the movie fails (Tubelight, JHMS, Fan), YRF gonna loose a lot with THUGS - a new low. SS didn't have Aamir in lead so apart from that his last 3 films were ATBs (D3, PK, DANGAL) and they average 330-340 nett!

Edited November 21, 2018 by a2k

[grim22]

22 hours ago, a2k said:

THUGS an absolute stunner at the BO - Competition free Aaamir, AB, Kat, YashRajFilms Diwali release gets the OD record and becomes a disaster. Wouldn't have seen the sub-150cr Nett in a million years. And in an era when producers cash in mighty amounts even when the movie fails (Tubelight, JHMS, Fan), YRF gonna loose a lot with THUGS - a new low. SS didn't have Aamir in lead so apart from that his last 3 films were ATBs (D3, PK, DANGAL) and they average 330-340 nett!

It’s definitely crazy just how it collapsed. Social media is here to stay now.

[grim22]

9 minutes ago, Charlie Jatinder said:

RAONE had such word of mouth and unbelievable crash after gigantic opening, but even it managed to gross ₹155cr in 2011. With over 60% inflation in ticket prices in 7 years, this is simply insane.

 

In Delhi-NCR the film had 178 shows on opening day in PVR chain of cinemas. This weekend there will be only 6, just one more than Andhadhun which is now in 8th week.

The thing that worked for Ra.One was that even with all it's various flaws it was still definitely entertaining. By all accounts, Thugs and entertainment are on the opposite ends of the spectrum.

[Premium George]

Thugs can be compared to bvs. It's better than race 3, but there's not much to see. Just plain boring.

Raone first half was dope, second half not so much. I still don't know how dhoom 3 did how much it did.

[grim22]

10 minutes ago, Premium George said:

Thugs can be compared to bvs. It's better than race 3, but there's not much to see. Just plain boring.

Raone first half was dope, second half not so much. I still don't know how dhoom 3 did how much it did.

Dhoom 3 is definitely an enigma. But it shows the issues which would kill Thugs. The world is sparsely populated - apart from the leads no one else gets any screentime. The stunts are incomprehensible. The dialogue is so on the nose it’s painful. Dhoom 3 used the long holiday stretch really well in the end.