Lordmandeep Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 The problem with mega films is that they need world ending situations. Other films have raised the stakes so much people don't get impressed or entertained anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 7 hours ago, Orestes said: After the Star Tours ride and reading EU stuff, Starkiller was already like Death Star #5 for me at least. The Jedi Academy Trilogy gave us the Sun Crusher and the original Death Star prototype. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 And the Dark Empire comic series gave us World Devastators and The Galaxy Gun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grey ghost Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Of the biggest WW blockbusters (Avengers, JW, Titanic and Avatar) I'm confident TFA will end up being one of the most well regarded. Record breaking movies always experience backlash. It comes with the territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel M Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 Initial reactions, reviews and backlash doesn't mean much to a movie's legacy. If the movie is good time will vindicate it. Empire strikes back had lukewarm/mixed reception from critics in 1980 and 35 years later it is considered a masterpiece. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 The "this movie had lukewarm reviews" in its day argument is flawed. Now we are accustomed to have metrics about a movie's reception. So people can dig up 5,10 bad reviews from 1980 and say hey " ESB" had mixed reviews, hum NO. I am sure the majority of critics & people understood how great Empire was in 1980, especially for a movie like Empire that is streamlined, efficient storytelling with so many memorable moments & characters it hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Joel M Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 3 hours ago, The Futurist said: The "this movie had lukewarm reviews" in its day argument is flawed. Now we are accustomed to have metrics about a movie's reception. So people can dig up 5,10 bad reviews from 1980 and say hey " ESB" had mixed reviews, hum NO. I am sure the majority of critics & people understood how great Empire was in 1980, especially for a movie like Empire that is streamlined, efficient storytelling with so many memorable moments & characters it hurts. I posted that link just as a sample. 10 bad reviews is like 2% in a movie's tomatometer today but it was close to half the reviews a movie released in 1980 will get. I think it's common knowledge that ESB had mixed reviews when it came out. You can search on the internet for old reviews if you don't believe me. Kubrick's The Shining got nominated for multiple razzies in 1980 and today is in every "best horror films of all time" list. The Matrix had the usual "splosions no substance" reviews back in 99 and now it's a huge milestone in sci-fi cinema. It seems absurd today with decades of hindsight but movies that are ahead of their time often get misjudged initially. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagemode87 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 On 1/1/2016 at 1:24 PM, Joel M said: Death Star 3.0 is definately the most obvious weapon for people who are in the "TFA is just a rehash of ANH" camp. But this isn't the only problem these people have with the movie. I don't think it will be a dealbreaker to anyone else who liked the movie even if they didn't need to see another Death Star. I also didn't like it, I would prefer to be anything else but a death star, but in the Starkiller base part of the movie we have 3 of the best/most memorable scenes that completely overshadow the "Ugghh, another Death Star, how original" sentiment. -Kylo Ren interrogating Rey -Han's Death -Lightsaber duel These are my 3 favorite scenes from the entire movie and all of them happened in the last act. My big problem with the movie is how Rey defeated Ren with no training whatsoever. Hard to care about Rey training with Luke Skywalker when she beat the main villain already. Kylo Ren looked terrible, reminded me of Napoleon Dynamite under there. I also hated how he casually unmasked, not once, but multiple times. It's like what's the point of the mask to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyLL Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Sagemode87 said: My big problem with the movie is how Rey defeated Ren with no training whatsoever. Hard to care about Rey training with Luke Skywalker when she beat the main villain already. Kylo Ren looked terrible, reminded me of Napoleon Dynamite under there. I also hated how he casually unmasked, not once, but multiple times. It's like what's the point of the mask to begin with. The reasons for all your issues have been hashed and rehashed over and over in this thread. If you haven't read/understood them then you will not 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 This thread will either disappear or get merged with the Star Wars Official Thread. Spoilers can now be discussed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sagemode87 Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 1 minute ago, Darth AndyLL said: The reasons for all your issues have been hashed and rehashed over and over in this thread. If you haven't read/understood them then you will not Whether they were explained or not, the way it was presented felt rushed to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 2 minutes ago, Sagemode87 said: Whether they were explained or not, the way it was presented felt rushed to me. Ok, we understand that. For over a week now you made sure we all saw that and read it 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 “How did Rey beat Kylo's ass without training" should be the new “How did Bruce Wayne get to Gotham" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayhiri Posted January 2, 2016 Share Posted January 2, 2016 AND NOW TO ALL THE HATERS: 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkshop36 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 1 hour ago, shayhiri said: AND NOW TO ALL THE HATERS: I would like this a million times if I could. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 2 hours ago, Sagemode87 said: 2 hours ago, Sagemode87 said: My big problem with the movie is how Rey defeated Ren with no training whatsoever. Hard to care about Rey training with Luke Skywalker when she beat the main villain already. Kylo Ren looked terrible, reminded me of Napoleon Dynamite under there. I also hated how he casually unmasked, not once, but multiple times. It's like what's the point of the mask to begin with. Just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean the answers aren't there. Your mind is like a parachute, it works if you open it. 2 hours ago, Sagemode87 said: 2 hours ago, Sagemode87 said: Whether they were explained or not, the way it was presented felt rushed to me. There's nothing rushed about it. She's obviously been trained before. 2 hours ago, Sagemode87 said: 2 hours ago, Ethan Hunt said: “How did Rey beat Kylo's ass without training" should be the new “How did Bruce Wayne get to Gotham" This isn't even close to that scene in TDKR. There's logic behind Rey's ability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan Hunt Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 ^^^ It was a joke because of how much people are asking about it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Sorry Ethan, my bad. I guess it all looks pretty clear to me. They really basically tell you all you need to know, you just have to be open to possibilities and not deal in absolutes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 However it seems that its like Bane in TDKR. He is so awesome and in the end he is killed so easily. A bit of a let down No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
