somebody85 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, mredman said: can't be good at all for the entertainment business that Disney is now a monopoly and will Disney now even make normal movies now like FOX used to do. This deal is very bad Yes, they will still make "normal" movies. Fox Searchlight is staying intact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebody85 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, Lordmandeep said: and the thing is I would not dream of paying 15 bucks to see such a film in theatres, but I will likely catch that film on Netflix. I agree. It's the same with stuff like Valerian and it's usually the right choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Barnack said: Went away in good part due to a destruction of value and price reduction, if they would try to make CD money from streaming piracy would still be going on: Adjusted for inflation the drop was spectacular, 28.6 b to 10.7 billion, a 65% drop. You can fully pirate the CD experience of musics, you can fully pirates the streaming experience (and will be if it is not kept to a really low price, like music did and now Netflix do), you cannot pirate fully the theatrical experience (or the live music show) and if you try to do the current windows money just from streaming, piracy would probably still be going on because of the price point you would need to charge for it. The issue is you are seeing either your mega blockbuster doing really or the small indie films doing well. The mid-level films are not doing great. Hollywood is really benefiting from certain franchises being massive cash cows. Put into perspective Spiderman, Raganorak and GOTG2 alone would be responsible for almost 10% of tickets sold this year. Edited December 14, 2017 by Lordmandeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, mredman said: can't be good at all for the entertainment business that Disney is now a monopoly and will Disney now even make normal movies now like FOX used to do. This deal is very bad Again. Disney is not close to being a monopoly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, Harpospoke said: If the studios are making less of them, that's how we know. Studios like making money. If there is a market there, they are certainly not going to ignore it. That market response is in part right, but also in part not fully in force here. 1) Movies are not making revenues only from the movie, 2 equally loved by audience movies, some studio would still prefer the one that generate toys/video games to sales between the 2 2) Between 2 movie that are has loved the one that can generate a sequel will be the one a studio exec prefer. 3) International, intl business is a big part of the pie, between 2 movie has loved by a big part of audience, the one that can appeal (and pass the local government censorship) a studio exec will prefer the one that can play everywhere. There is some force in play here outside what people like to watch when they actually watch it. I doubt the percentage of people that actually watched Whiplash and liked it is particularly lower than the first Ninga Turtle movie for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, somebody85 said: Yes, they will still make "normal" movies. Fox Searchlight is staying intact. If Searchlight are now the normal movies and not called the specialty small movies (and that perception is getting true, I heard mid budget talk about Logan Lucky (with an under 30m price tags), that just show how far we got into that new reality. Edited December 14, 2017 by Barnack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FantasticBeasts Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, The Last Panda said: Again. Disney is not close to being a monopoly. Literally if Disney is not a monopoly there are no monopolies in any department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebody85 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Just now, Barnack said: If Searchlight are now the normal movies and not called the specialty small movies (and that perception is getting true, I heard mid budget talk about Logan Lucky (with an under 30m price tags), that just show how far we got into that new reality. Thats why I put it in quotes lol. I still believe Searchlight is specialty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Iger seeks to calm the Fox troops, noting track record with Pixar/Marvel/Lucas:"We have not only respected the cultures of those organizations, we have respected and appreciated the talent."— Brooks Barnes (@brooksbarnesNYT) December 14, 2017 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, FantasticBeasts said: Literally if Disney is not a monopoly there are no monopolies in any department. A loose definition of monopoly needs 90% market share for one company. Disney + Fox isn't close. Edited December 14, 2017 by The Last Panda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnack Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, FantasticBeasts said: Literally if Disney is not a monopoly there are no monopolies in any department. If Disney is a monopoly, what would be an oligopoly ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FantasticBeasts Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 minute ago, The Last Panda said: A loose definition of monopoly needs 90% market share for one country. Disney + Fox isn't close. When I use the word monopoly (and I bet most of other people do so as well), I don't go with the strict definition of the term, I know exactly what it means. By calling Disney a monopoly you state the fact that they have an excessive control of the market making it veryy difficult for other brands to compete with them. But yeah, you are not wrong either. It is a matter of understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepItU25071906 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 Disney, Fox deal slammed by Hollywood writers: 'Makes matters even worse' https://t.co/CGqq4eQBZV pic.twitter.com/DduXw60XgS — James Hibberd (@JamesHibberd) December 14, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 They don’t own Paramount, Warner Bros, Universal, Sony, Lionsgate, etc. https://t.co/XAbaBJgThi— Jeremy Conrad (@ManaByte) December 14, 2017 And that’s why Fox sold to Disney. https://t.co/WUu4n6viwE— Jeremy Conrad (@ManaByte) December 14, 2017 Disney doesn’t own Universal, Warner Bros, Paramount, Sony, Lionsgate, or any of the smaller indie studios. But go ahead and keep claiming they control the entire industry. https://t.co/SPjiTlaghA— Jeremy Conrad (@ManaByte) December 14, 2017 That’s actually not it. Comcast was interested as well.Fox went up for sale due to not being able to compete in the Netflix streaming era. They didn’t want to build the Netflix competitor that Disney wants to. It was the only way for those franchises to survive. https://t.co/jRCldnv6Z0— Jeremy Conrad (@ManaByte) December 14, 2017 They’re trying to compete with the Netflix/Amazon streaming juggernaut.That’s the same reason why Time Warner (who owns DC) is selling to AT&T because AT&T has DirectTV and DirectTV Now already built up for streaming. https://t.co/zjShf7H6vq— Jeremy Conrad (@ManaByte) December 14, 2017 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomCat Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 All I can say I've retained from this, is the amount of people who don't know what a Monopoly actually is. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordmandeep Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 A monopoly also exists due to restrictions placed on competitors in order to make one company succeed such as by the government. The fact Disney makes a lot of super hit movies is not the government's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebody85 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Barnack said: Do you remember the days Microsoft got in big trouble because the operating system was shipped with a free Internet browser that put Netscape and other in trouble ? I remember the days when Netscape sent out free CDs with PC magazines lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Futurist Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, XO21 said: Iger doesn't want to anger the Elites of the West and East coasts and he will provide them comfort food with plenty of Indie/AMPAS/Sundace interchangeable movies. Edited December 14, 2017 by The Futurist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebody85 Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, KeepItU25071906 said: "The Writers Guild of America issued a statement on Thursday criticizing the deal as a further consolidation of power which will make it even tougher for creatives to get fair wages." Maybe the writers of The Walking Dead got word on this deal months in advance....would explain a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronJimbo Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 (edited) Who really knows if the quality of films with decline or incline from this, because that's what really matters. I want new films what make me feel things, things I like to feel or feelings I've never felt before. If we narrow the perspective to Avatar though... to be honest. GIVE ME THAT INFLATED CRITIC SCORES GIVE ME THOSE TV SPOTS AFTER TV SPOTS GIVE ME THOSE PANDORAN VEGETABLE PACKAGINGS GIVE ME THAT DISNEY QUEEN NEYTIRI GIVE ME $4 BILLION DOLLARS WORLD WIDE Edited December 14, 2017 by IronJimbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
