ChipDerby Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 1 minute ago, WrathOfHan said: They did. I mean, yeah. They showed everyone getting killed during the episode. I assume that's where they got the footage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bacon Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, Baumer liked Blair Witch said: It plays out like this in the comics. You don't like it, don't watch. And it sucked in the comics, too. EDIT: and the episode sucking has little to do with it being too violent. It's a hodgepodge of narrative shortcuts and transparently manipulative writing. Not to mention the series' trademark feet-dragging. If nothing else, it would've been much more effective at the end of last season without that insulting cliffhanger. Edited October 25, 2016 by Kevin Bacon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 4 hours ago, Kevin Bacon said: And it sucked in the comics, too. EDIT: and the episode sucking has little to do with it being too violent. It's a hodgepodge of narrative shortcuts and transparently manipulative writing. Not to mention the series' trademark feet-dragging. If nothing else, it would've been much more effective at the end of last season without that insulting cliffhanger. LOL....well, you are entitled to your opinion. I disagree vehemently. And the numbers for the premiere justify the cliffhanger. So you can feel they made a mistake, but the cliffhanger has been around forever. One of the best cliffhangers of all time was the show DALLAS, when JR Ewing was shot at the end of one season. During the off season, they even had shirts printed up with the question, "Who shot JR?" So the cliffhanger is a quintessential part of TV. Here's the numbers for both the show and for Talking Dead....they both slayed http://deadline.com/2016/10/walking-dead-ratings-season-7-premiere-nfl-1201842022/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Bacon Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Baumer liked Blair Witch said: LOL....well, you are entitled to your opinion. I disagree vehemently. And the numbers for the premiere justify the cliffhanger. So you can feel they made a mistake, but the cliffhanger has been around forever. One of the best cliffhangers of all time was the show DALLAS, when JR Ewing was shot at the end of one season. During the off season, they even had shirts printed up with the question, "Who shot JR?" So the cliffhanger is a quintessential part of TV. Here's the numbers for both the show and for Talking Dead....they both slayed http://deadline.com/2016/10/walking-dead-ratings-season-7-premiere-nfl-1201842022/ Hey, you're entitled to enjoy it. You're the show's target audience, after all. I can appreciate that you got something out of it. However, it's kind of insulting to say that because I thought this cliffhanger was cheap and lame, I don't understand how cliffhangers work. I don't even need to point to shows like Bojack Horseman, Mr. Robot, and Better Call Saul that regularly end episodes with excellent cliffhangers--The Walking Dead itself has had tons of great cliffhangers! But the season six finale was the complete opposite of a good cliffhanger. It was a gimmick cliffhanger that was designed to do exactly what you said: stir up discussion and pop a rating when the show came back. It's what happens when a show tries to be a cultural phenomenon (which The Walking Dead is absolutely succeeding at) instead of great art. Because in no universe do high ratings correlate to quality TV. Usually, if anything, it's the other way around. The mixed (at best) critical reception would be a much better link for me to retort with, but for some reason Metacritic is taking its sweet time getting the reviews together for this season. The best way I can put it is this: a good cliffhanger leaves the viewer in suspense of what happens next. A cliffhanger that leaves the viewer wondering what already happened, with rare exceptions, is a bad one. The strength of the narrative isn't the source of the suspense, it's a hokey camera trick outright concealing the narrative from you and making you wait six months to learn what the story even is. They could've simply played out the scene as it did in this episode--Negan kills dudes without the first person goofiness, Rick says he's gonna kill Negan, Negan takes him to the RV and slams the door. Cut to black. Exact same story, but everything works better. The deaths would've had way more punch, the season finale actually delivers what the story's been building towards, and there's a great cliffhanger leaving everyone hungry for what comes next. But rather than simply tell the story, they bend over backwards to stir up social media buzz. And yeah, "Who shot JR?" was in a very different time of television. If Dallas aired today, it wouldn't exactly be considered prestige television. The Walking Dead isn't, either, but with the dumb shit with Glen last year, followed by that cliffhanger and this hour of misery porn, the show's sinking to the point where I don't think it's even trying to be anymore. They've embraced the series as an apocalyptic soap opera and decided to write for the invested fanbase rather than try to improve the writing. They'll keep hammering home the same themes and beats, periodically killing off a major cast member for shock value, introducing walking plot devices like Negan, until eventually there's only Rick and Carl left and who knows what the hell they'll do then. Edited October 26, 2016 by Kevin Bacon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumer Posted October 26, 2016 Share Posted October 26, 2016 The Walking Dead is on Season Seven and still has excellent ratings. It's currently the number one show on television. So it's obviously doing something right. The greatest shows of all time, (ratings wise) usually last around 10 seasons. Friends, Seinfeld, MASH and Cheers all lasted 10-11 seasons. Dallas stayed on 14. Television shows have a certain shelf life. There are exceptions of course, like The simpsons but at the same time they are not anywhere close to at the top of the ratings anymore. If you think it's a gimmick now, you're entitled to that opinion. But it's been following the comics in a general sense and people seem to like it well enough. I love it and there are plenty who love it as well. My only advice to you is that if you dislike it so much, watch something else. That's the beauty of TV, there's a litany of shows you can invest your time in. I personally love it and I think the show is just as good now as it was in season 2 and 3. I even had these shirts made up for my three friends who are die hards like me. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omario Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Just wow. Could barely look at the screen from the second the episode started. One of the best i have ever seen of any series. My heart was about to burst out of my chest with the tension. Amazing. I usually watch the walking dead once the whole season is finished but i decided the watch the first episode due to getting spoiled about Glenns death. Did not know about the rest though. But still hit me hard. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Thoughts 10 minutes into new episode : Just for a change, can this new civilization oasis leader actually be benevolent and have nothing up his sleeve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75Live Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 On 10/31/2016 at 0:29 AM, tribefan695 said: Thoughts 10 minutes into new episode : Just for a change, can this new civilization oasis leader actually be benevolent and have nothing up his sleeve? well you got your answer before the episode ended I thought this was a really good follow up to the premiere. We all needed a little levity and some jokes to recover from the first episode. It was good to see Carol and Morgan again. Plus since neither of them know yet what happened to their group by Negan, I have a funny feeling at least one of the two, most likely Carol, are going to do something pretty big to make up for it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerbs Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 3 hours ago, 75live said: well you got your answer before the episode ended I thought this was a really good follow up to the premiere. We all needed a little levity and some jokes to recover from the first episode. It was good to see Carol and Morgan again. Plus since neither of them know yet what happened to their group by Negan, I have a funny feeling at least one of the two, most likely Carol, are going to do something pretty big to make up for it all. I think carl might exact some revenge first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75Live Posted November 2, 2016 Share Posted November 2, 2016 10 hours ago, zerbs said: I think carl might exact some revenge first. I could see that, as well. Lots of ways they can go. I am not caught up to the point in the comics and the show are in the same place, which I do on purpose so I can be less spoiled going into the show. Although I did finish compendium volume 2 and about to start volume 3 so depending on how fast I read, I will get to whenever Negan shows up and stop reading 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4815162342 Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 Wait....we're getting a Walking Dead episode centered on this asshole? Who the hell cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75Live Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) Another winning episode last night. So far the season has been really good. I'm expecting a not so good episode at some point, as it's hard to keep all this going for a whole season Edited November 7, 2016 by 75live 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJohn Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Lmao they burned all the mattresses. Besides the season premiere which was the stuff of legends this season has been the usual meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
75Live Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 decent episode. My only complaint is that I don't think it needed to be 90 minutes. I mean it didn't seem that long, but still probably could have made just the normal 60 minutes and still would have worked 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDerby Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 This episode was great. Great tension throughout due to the first episode. And Carl! And SHANE! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
