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  1. 1. Should the Matrix be eligible?

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Thanks for your interest.

 

@joselowe @Barnack @across the Jat verse @toutvabien could you guys please revise your lists to include at least 10 films before the deadline so they qualify? the tentative deadline is August 1st.

 

if you are unsure here is some lists:

 

https://letterboxd.com/kalo23/list/watchlist-gay-film/

https://letterboxd.com/kalo23/list/gay-dairies/

 

@LegionWrex is that list in order? 

 

 

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My full list:

 

1.      Everything, Everywhere All at Once (2022)

2.      The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975)

3.      The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928)

4.      Cabaret (1972)

5.      The Matrix (1999)

6.      The Handmaiden (2016)

7.      Y Tu Mama Tambien (2001)

8.      The Power of the Dog (2021)

9.      Portrait of a Lady on Fire (2019)

10.   Disobedience (2017)

11.   Rebecca (1940)

12.   Blue is the Warmest Color (2013)

13.   Tar (2022)

14.   You Won’t Be Alone (2021)

15.   Mulholland Drive (2021)

16.   Jennifer’s Body (2009)

17.   Moonlight (2016)

18.   Climax (2018)

19.   But I’m a Cheerleader (1999)

20.   Some Like it Hot (1959)

21.   The Favourite (2018)

22.   Philadelphia (1993)

23.   Call Me By Your Name (2017)

24.   Brokeback Mountain (2005)

25.   Hedwig and the Angry Inch (2001)

26.   Cloud Atlas (2012)

27.   Can You Ever Forgive Me? (2018)

28.   The SpongeBob Squarepants Movie (2004)

29.   Luca (2021)

30.   Tangerine (2015)

31.   Tick, tick… Boom! (2021)

32.   Fear Street: 1666 (2021)

33.   The Color Purple (1985)

34.   Midnight Cowboy (1969)

35.   Carrie (1976)

36.   Fried Green Tomatoes (1991)

37.   The Green Knight (2021)

38.   Carol (2015)

39.   Booksmart (2019)

40.   Pray Away (2021)

41.   The Matrix Resurrections (2022)

42.   Precious (2009)

43.   Clue (1985)

44.   Rocketman (2019)

45.   The Perks of Being a Wallflower (2012)

46.   Milk (2008)

47.   Love, Simon (2018)

48.   Fame (1980)

49.   Fear Street: 1994 (2021)

50.   Boy Erased (2018)

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1. Moonlight (Barry Jenkins)

2. The Handmaiden (Park Chan-wook)

3. The Matrix (The Wachowski Sisters)

4. Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie III: Rebellion (Akiyuki Shinbo and Yukihiro Miyamoto)

5. Happy Together (Wong Kar-wai)

6. Liz and the Blue Bird (Naoko Yamada)

7. Portrait of a Lady on Fire (Celine Sciamma)

8. Adolescence of Utena (Kunihiko Ikuhara)

9. Everything Everywhere All at Once (Daniels)

10. Bound (The Wachowski Sisters)

11. Paris is Burning (Jennie Livingston)

12. Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo (Hideaki Anno)

13. Call Me by Your Name (Luca Guadagnino)

14. Brokeback Mountain (Ang Lee)

15. Y Tu Mama Tambien (Alfonso Cuaron)

16. Water Lilies (Celine Sciamma)

17. Tar (Todd Field)

18. Carol (Todd Haynes)

19. Beau Travail (Claire Denis)

20. Midnight Cowboy (John Schlesinger)

21. Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche)

22. Blue (Derek Jarman)

23. The Matrix Resurrections (Lily Wachowski)

24. The Watermelon Women (Cheryl Dunye)

25. Hedwig and the Angry Inch (John Cameron Mitchell)

26. The Rocky Horror Picture Show (Jim Sharman)

27. A Single Man (Tom Ford)

28. Nimona (Nick Bruno and Troy Quane)

29. The Favourite (Yorgos Lathimos)

30. Pain & Glory (Pedro Almodovar)

31. Joyland (Saim Sadiq)

32. Tangerine (Sean Baker)

33. But I'm a Cheerleader (Jamie Babbit)

34. Cruising (William Friedkin)

35. Milk (Gus van Sant)

36. Rebecca (Alfred Hitchcock)

37. Flee (Jonas Poher Rasmussen)

38. Rope (Alfred Hitchcock)

39. Love, Simon (Greg Berlanti)

40. Let the Right One In (Tomas Alfredson)

 

Added about 15 to my list. Final count.

 

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1 hour ago, Fanboy said:

Jennifer's Body I can understand, the movie is very homoerotic, but the Spongebob Squarepants movie? I might have to have that one explained to me. 

I don't think we’re supposed to include homoerotic though? 
 

Spongebob being here is just daft. 

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2 hours ago, Krissykins said:

Wait, are we allowing Jennifer’s Body? If so, I need to add it to my list. 
 

None of the characters are gay though and there isn’t a story around sexuality. 

 

Megan Fox is under the impression that Jennifer was bi or a closeted lesbian sleeping with guys just to fit in. She has said so in multiple interviews. I' wouldn't be surprised if that was the intent of the writer as well. Makes the movie and character all the more tragic.

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Can't say that I love The Hours but it's a different kind of lesbian story and the score alone makes it worthy of adding to the list.

 

Also you have Meryl Streep, Nicole Kidman, Julianne Moore, Toni Collette and Allison Janney making out with women in a single movie

 

 

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On 7/2/2023 at 6:59 AM, Krissykins said:

Wait, are we allowing Jennifer’s Body? If so, I need to add it to my list. 
 

None of the characters are gay though and there isn’t a story around sexuality. 

 

No. I haven't seen it and if it doesn't have any of those things I don't see how it could be. 

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On 7/1/2023 at 7:40 PM, LegionWrex said:

1. Moonlight (Barry Jenkins)

2. The Handmaiden (Park Chan-wook)

3. The Matrix (The Wachowski Sisters)

4. Puella Magi Madoka Magica the Movie III: Rebellion (Akiyuki Shinbo and Yukihiro Miyamoto)

5. Happy Together (Wong Kar-wai)

6. Liz and the Blue Bird (Naoko Yamada)

7. Portrait of a Lady on Fire (Celine Sciamma)

8. Adolescence of Utena (Kunihiko Ikuhara)

9. Everything Everywhere All at Once (Daniels)

10. Bound (The Wachowski Sisters)

11. Paris is Burning (Jennie Livingston)

12. Evangelion: 3.0 You Can (Not) Redo (Hideaki Anno)

13. Call Me by Your Name (Luca Guadagnino)

14. Brokeback Mountain (Ang Lee)

15. Y Tu Mama Tambien (Alfonso Cuaron)

16. Water Lilies (Celine Sciamma)

17. Tar (Todd Field)

18. Carol (Todd Haynes)

19. Beau Travail (Claire Denis)

20. Midnight Cowboy (John Schlesinger)

21. Blue is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche)

22. Blue (Derek Jarman)

23. The Matrix Resurrections (Lily Wachowski)

24. The Watermelon Women (Cheryl Dunye)

25. Hedwig and the Angry Inch (John Cameron Mitchell)

26. The Rocky Horror Picture Show (Jim Sharman)

27. A Single Man (Tom Ford)

28. Nimona (Nick Bruno and Troy Quane)

29. The Favourite (Yorgos Lathimos)

30. Pain & Glory (Pedro Almodovar)

31. Joyland (Saim Sadiq)

32. Tangerine (Sean Baker)

33. But I'm a Cheerleader (Jamie Babbit)

34. Cruising (William Friedkin)

35. Milk (Gus van Sant)

36. Rebecca (Alfred Hitchcock)

37. Flee (Jonas Poher Rasmussen)

38. Rope (Alfred Hitchcock)

39. Love, Simon (Greg Berlanti)

40. Let the Right One In (Tomas Alfredson)

 

Added about 15 to my list. Final count.

 

Like I love The Matrix. but I just can't justify it being LGBT. I know the directors are trans, but there is nothing aside from maybe some vague allegory (and the minor butch chick character maybe)  I just am not sure I can justify it being eligible.

 

 

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Kalo said:

Like I love The Matrix. but I just can't justify it being LGBT. I know the directors are trans, but there is nothing aside from maybe some vague allegory (and the minor butch chick character maybe)  I just am not sure I can justify it being eligible.

Even beyond Lana and Lilly basically coming out saying that it is, it really doesn't get more blatant then the "blue pill, red pill" scene which is literally Neo choosing HTR (estrogen pills were red at the time). The idea of feeling outside of your body, your entire being feeling wrong, that just something isn't right. The idea that everybody is against you as soon as you even make an attempt outside of the norm and question yourself. Trinity being entirely androgynous in her appearance (particularly during the nightclub scene). The Matrix is ultimately really interesting as a queer text cause it's status AS a queer text is both somehow retroactive yet fully obvious once realized. It's impossible to view it as anything but a trans narrative within the context of both it's directors as well as the era it came out (which is that it being anything other then subtext means it wouldn't have even gotten made).

 

That being said, it IS absolutely subtext, and The Matrix has also been very validly read as a metaphor for capitalistic societies (something the directors have also acknowledge), and if you feel like limiting the list to more blatantly queer films that don't rely on subtext, I'll gladly remove it as well as Resurrections. That being said, I stand by them being queer films.

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