The Marvel / MCU Thread || From Blade to Secret Wars, All Things Marvel!

[ChipDerby]

1 hour ago, HummingLemon496 said:

Captain Marvel is from the pre-Endgame MCU which everyone already agrees was the peak, it doesn't need defending like Multiverse of Madness does. And Captain Marvel didn't open close to $200M like MoM did.

 

It opened over $150 mil for a character we hadn't even seen. And finished over $1.1 bil.

 

Multiverse was directly coming off the 3rd biggest MCU film, in which Strange was a prominent figure.

[HummingLemon496]

3 minutes ago, ChipDerby said:

It opened over $150 mil for a character we hadn't even seen. And finished over $1.1 bil.

 

Multiverse was directly coming off the 3rd biggest MCU film, in which Strange was a prominent figure.

Captain Marvel was the homework for the biggest movie of all time in original run WW admissions

[ChipDerby]

1 hour ago, HummingLemon496 said:

Captain Marvel was the homework for the biggest movie of all time in original run WW admissions

 

It literally wasn't. It had no connection to Endgame at all. It would've dropped like Multiverse if it was only homework, as everyone would've realized "oh this doesn't connect directly". You're addicted to opening weekends bro.

[dudalb]

7 hours ago, BadOlCatSylvester said:

Multiverse of Madness opening as big as it did is not a surprise at all. They marketed it as the direct followup to what was, at the time, the biggest movie of the decade. The movie was unfortunately not very well received when it was released, and because of a combination of false marketing and the movie itself being a jumbled mess, it got pretty poor audience scores and declined steeply after its mega opening. And even today, that movie isn't looked back upon very fondly and is seen as the beginning of the end for Marvel as the behemoth we knew them as.

 

As for Shawn Levy being eyed for Avengers 5, it's even less surprising. Let's face it, he's among the very few established Hollywood directors who'd go anywhere near this franchise these days. He's already in business with Marvel thanks to Deadpool 3, and he has plenty of experience in managing big ensemble pieces. Unless Deadpool 3 turns out to be another rotten egg, I'd be very surprised if he didn't ultimately sign on. He is an unfortunate downgrade over the last guy they had attached to this, but Free Guy has proven that he is capable of turning in a good movie when surrounded with the right talent, so we'll see how it all settles.

 

[dudalb]

2 minutes ago, dudalb said:

For some damn reason, the post above did not give me a space to respond to the quote.

I think it is clear the MOM is a bit like BvS, big opening, a lot of people went to see it, but a lot did not really like what they saw. I liked it, but admit it had some real flaws.

And I see some people here are under the de;lusion that it is the CBM fans who make or break a movie. That is just plain wrong. It is the much despised General Audience who makes or breaks  a movie that costs as much as the typical Marvel movie does.

A lot of the GA seem to be burned out on CBM's overall. Oh, they will still turn out for certian movies, like "Spiderman'Mwh" but they are not automatically going to every Marvel Studio  movie the way they used to.

 

[HummingLemon496]

2 hours ago, ChipDerby said:

 

It literally wasn't. It had no connection to Endgame at all. It would've dropped like Multiverse if it was only homework, as everyone would've realized "oh this doesn't connect directly". You're addicted to opening weekends bro.

No, people thought Captain Marvel would be key to fighting Thanos. It did gang-busters because people thought it would have a connection to Endgame. And it didn't drop hard like Multiverse of Madness because it got an 'A' CinemaScore whereas Multiverse of Madness got a 'B+' indicating better audience reception of the former. 

 

And I think OWs are important because that's how you measure pure, 100% hype irrespective of WOM

 

And yes I do think Captain Marvel is impressive. It was a smash domestically, it sold 43M admissions which is like ~500-510M now. Multiverse of Madness is only at 36.5M admissions which is 15% behind Captain Marvel and couldn't even outgross it nominally ($411M vs $426M). 

 

But the reason why I glaze up Multiverse of Madness but not Captain Marvel is because the latter was from pre-Endgame MCU which everybody already agrees was the peak of the franchise, whereas MoM was supposedly part of the "declining" post-Endgame MCU so I think it's important to defend it. 

Edited June 5 by HummingLemon496

[Insomnia]

3 hours ago, HummingLemon496 said:

Captain Marvel was the homework for the biggest movie of all time in original run WW admissions

The irony of this is Captain Marvel was barely in Endgame, and even for the parts she was...did the audience really even need to know much about her? Nothing about her first movie factored into Endgame.

 

What I'm basically saying is I think there was more to Captain Marvel (the movie) than Endgame hype or Endgame homework. People underestimate that movie and what it did on its own.

 

It definitely benefited from being released when it did though. That truly was peak MCU.

[Insomnia]

2 hours ago, ChipDerby said:

 

It literally wasn't. It had no connection to Endgame at all. It would've dropped like Multiverse if it was only homework, as everyone would've realized "oh this doesn't connect directly". You're addicted to opening weekends bro.

In fairness I think many of us probably are. 🤣

 

I mean, wouldn't a huge opening weekend just be the best medicine right now?

[dudalb]

5 minutes ago, Insomnia said:

The irony of this is Captain Marvel was barely in Endgame, and even for the parts she was...did the audience really even need to know much about her? Nothing about her first movie factored into Endgame.

 

What I'm basically saying is I think there was more to Captain Marvel (the movie) than Endgame hype or Endgame homework. People underestimate yes,that movie and what it did on its own.

 

It definitely benefited from being released when it did though. That truly was peak MCU.

Except that Captian Marvel explained who she was and how she got to be so powerful......

Danvers did not have a lot of screen time in Endgame but all her scenes were crucial.

[SpiderByte]

Nexus Point News reporting that Michael Green is doing Midnight Sons

 

https://www.nexuspointnews.com/post/exclusive-michael-green-to-pen-marvel-studios-midnight-sons-film

 

Theyre new, but they recently have had some accurate reports (specifically with the Booster Gold TV show). Grain of salt though.

[SpiderByte]

 

[poweranimals]

This has the potential to be really good if they're willing discuss and maybe debunk certain rumors.

[SpiderByte]

Well it's for all of Marvel not just movies. It does give them a place to make announcements though.

[Torontofan]

captain marvel was given the best promotion of all time.

 

After the massive cliffhanger of IW, audiences would have watched someone sit on a toliet for 2hrs to get clues about what going on next. 

[toutvabien]

On 6/5/2024 at 11:49 PM, HummingLemon496 said:

No, people thought Captain Marvel would be key to fighting Thanos. It did gang-busters because people thought it would have a connection to Endgame. And it didn't drop hard like Multiverse of Madness because it got an 'A' CinemaScore whereas Multiverse of Madness got a 'B+' indicating better audience reception of the former. 

 

And I think OWs are important because that's how you measure pure, 100% hype irrespective of WOM

 

And yes I do think Captain Marvel is impressive. It was a smash domestically, it sold 43M admissions which is like ~500-510M now. Multiverse of Madness is only at 36.5M admissions which is 15% behind Captain Marvel and couldn't even outgross it nominally ($411M vs $426M). 

 

But the reason why I glaze up Multiverse of Madness but not Captain Marvel is because the latter was from pre-Endgame MCU which everybody already agrees was the peak of the franchise, whereas MoM was supposedly part of the "declining" post-Endgame MCU so I think it's important to defend it. 

One would argue MoM started the decline.

[YM!]

38 minutes ago, toutvabien said:

One would argue MoM started the decline.

To be honest, it probably started with Eternals.

[fmpro]

44 minutes ago, YM! said:

To be honest, it probably started with Eternals.

Agree. First nail for me. What a dull and plain movie. First movie i really hated in the MCU. My son feels the same way

[Daxtreme]

55 minutes ago, YM! said:

To be honest, it probably started with Eternals.

 

As much as I like Eternals, I'm in the minority here and it is clear that it was the first GA trouble that indicated of things to come

[SpiderByte]

 

[KnightofNight237]

14 hours ago, YM! said:

To be honest, it probably started with Eternals.

The way I see it, Eternals was a hint of what could happen if Marvel missed the mark, but then they salvaged themselves with NWH and MOM back to back. MOM treaded a bit into mixed territory but it was mostly well received, then Love and Thunder shit the bed afterwards in terms of quality and really was only saved because of audience good will for Thor. Wakanda Forever then showed people the MCU could still deliver and brought a lot of goodwill back, Ant-Man 3 trailers looked good and people were hyped seemed like people were ready to forgive LAT and Eternals hence the good OW, and imo that opening weekend was the moment Marvel lost the audience's good will. It was a case of people actually did show up and Marvel just shit the bed, if they had nailed that one film imo we would be in a very different position in terms of audience goodwill. It brought light to all the wackyness and worst parts of Phase 4 that before people were ready to forget if Marvel had delivered. In a universe where Quantumania was good and setup Kang well, i think Gotg Vol.3 could've made a Billion, The Marvels could've atleast made $500M we'd be going into 2024 with amazing momentum. 

 

And now we're at a pivotal situation again, the audience is ready to give Marvel one last chance based on past trust of Deapdool and Logan, and Guardians 3 delivering. And I think if they do deliver, they have a pretty good 2025 lineup to build up positive momentum again