Omni Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Projected 935/955 range, Japan excluded. Around 25/30 DOM, 40/50 from OS holdovers and 10/15M from China. So it will be up to the Land of the Rising Sun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'm a bit disappointed by its Brazilian performance, this market is usually very open to animated movies...I know the exchange rate real/dollar is quite bad in this moment but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernan Gonzalez Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'm a bit disappointed by its Brazilian performance, this market is usually very open to animated movies...I know the exchange rate real/dollar is quite bad in this moment but...You should take in account that a January release in the southern hemisphere is like an August opening here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zackzack Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 (edited) Only $130M more..? Japan will do close to $100M. Look at that amazing Korean number. US will do $20M more (and take the Animation 2013 crown from DM2) and the rest will push it forward. This baby is doing more than a billion WW. Edited February 4, 2014 by zackzack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portgas Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It opens today in China, right? Excited to see first numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenFan626 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It opens today in China, right? Excited to see first numbers. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Frozen will be making much of a splash in China. It is only slated to be kept in Theaters for 10 days and with less than 13% of the total screen share. This is mostly due to the local animated movies that have recently been released over there like the Monkey King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernan Gonzalez Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 It opens today in China, right? Excited to see first numbers.Yes!!! I can't wait to see them!!!But South Korea did already what most of us where expecting for the sum of the 2 countries!!! So I won't be disappointed if it doesn't deliver great numbers in China. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoguy Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 So are we expecting Frozen to get 20M-30M in China at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Planodisney Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I'm thinking lucky if 10 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wileECoyote Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I'm thinking lucky if 10 million.Not a good number but the strong SK performance is making up for any potential disappointment from China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druv10 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Frozen will be making much of a splash in China. It is only slated to be kept in Theaters for 10 days and with less than 13% of the total screen share. This is mostly due to the local animated movies that have recently been released over there like the Monkey King. Screw China. SK and Japan will push Frozen over 1B WW. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catlover Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Unfortunately, it doesn't look like Frozen will be making much of a splash in China. It is only slated to be kept in Theaters for 10 days and with less than 13% of the total screen share. This is mostly due to the local animated movies that have recently been released over there like the Monkey King. Actually the competitions that Frozen is facing are NOT animated movies. The Monkey King is a CGI-fest live action movie. But that's not important. Anyway, is Frozen really in theaters only for 10 days? Or there are just so many competitions, especially from local rom-com movies on VD, that Frozen is presumed to only have 10 days to make money, while not necessarily out of the theaters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) In China, movies are disposable. If a film has been out for 3 weeks, it's already old, and if some new big craps are opening, the old ones are screwed no matter the amount of business they were generating. That's exactly what happened to DM2, or to Pacific Rim last year, and to dozens of other blockbusters. It's part of their (lack of any) cinematographic culture. Now, Frozen isn't even seen as a big movie there, and its total gross would have likely been limited even with small competition and more than a month of showings. They sandwiched it between a few huge local goofs and at the end of the holidays, so it has always been doomed. I just can't understand how people could acritically think 30M was conservative and 50M was possible. Edited February 5, 2014 by Omni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyLL Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I just can't understand how people could acritically think 30M was conservative and 50M was possible. Perhaps because Frozen has over performed everywhere it has opened so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Not in South America. Nor in Austria and in a couple of other European markets.And that's exactly what I meant by 'being acritical'. The "reasoning" behind that was <<Well, it's doing amazing in pretty much every country. And look at those freaking numbers in South Korea. Bodes very well for the upcoming release in China. DM2 made 50M there, why can't Frozen do the same?>>. A thought like that doesn't take into account fundamental things like the release date, the competition, the saturation, the nature of Frozen and the nature of the Chinese market. Those factors, when combined, show you that 30M has always been the absolute ceiling, not the reasonable floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catlover Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) Well yeah, but back then most people here didn't know there would be big competitions for Frozen. Until a week ago, I didn't know The Monkey King would be released just days before Frozen. I thought after DM2 the market would be empty. Although, I should've figured that there would be local blockbuster movies released on Lunar New Year. And btw most people thought 30m was average, NOT conservative. Only few of them thought 50m was possible, and they're not familiar with Chinese box office. Also, not until recently someone pointed out that Frozen would be less appealing to Chinese audience. So yeah, I think I understand why people came out with that numbers. And I get about the movies-are-disposable thing. It's the same here too, but for slightly different reasons. Theaters have limited screens so after 3 weeks they have to give the screens to new movies. But what I meant was, did they already have some kind of agreement before its release about how long Frozen would be played, or the limited time is just a natural thing? Like if there were no movies released next weekend, would it still be in the theaters? Edited February 5, 2014 by catlover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portgas Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Chinese Frozen AD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Well yeah, but back then most people here didn't know there would be big competitions for Frozen. Until a week ago, I didn't know The Monkey King would be released just days before Frozen. I thought after DM2 the market would be empty. Although, I should've figured that there would be local blockbuster movies released on Lunar New Year. And btw most people thought 30m was average, NOT conservative. Only few of them thought 50m was possible, and they're not familiar with Chinese box office. Also, not until recently someone pointed out that Frozen would be less appealing to Chinese audience. So yeah, I think I understand why people came out with that numbers. Of course Frozen was going to face some big competition, China is in the middle of their holidays now. And the history of box office show that the potentially bigger movies always open right before or at the beginning of those holidays - it happens in the Usa, in Australia, in Italy, in France, in South Korea, everywhere. And it happens in China, too - you don't need to look at the exact schedule to figure out that this kind of release date was a really bad one. I remember a poster at KJ saying that often China seems to have fun screwing foreign movies by putting them on awful spots - and he was referring to Frozen's release date. Some referred to 30M as a conservative number. Anyways, it doesn't mean much, both 'conservative' and 'average' are just wrong ways to consider it. "They're not familiar with Chinese box office. Also, not until recently someone pointed out that Frozen would be less appealing to Chinese audience. So yeah, I think I understand why people came out with that numbers." My point exactly. People threw unrealistic numbers because they didn't understand the market - and didn't pay attention to the release date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Not in South America. Nor in Austria and in a couple of other European markets.And that's exactly what I meant by 'being acritical'. The "reasoning" behind that was <<Well, it's doing amazing in pretty much every country. And look at those freaking numbers in South Korea. Bodes very well for the upcoming release in China. DM2 made 50M there, why can't Frozen do the same?>>. A thought like that doesn't take into account fundamental things like the release date, the competition, the saturation, the nature of Frozen and the nature of the Chinese market. Those factors, when combined, show you that 30M has always been the absolute ceiling, not the reasonable floor. Don't exaggerate about Latin America, their numbers are still pretty good, particularly in this moment with their currency crisis. In Argentina the value of the Argentinean peso decreased by 20% for example, and in Venezuela it's worse. The economic situation must be taken into account. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 There's a difference between a solid performance and an overperformance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
