Rudolf Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 When you read the reviews, you get the impression that they desperately wanted to like it, but could not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sims Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 When you read the reviews, you get the impression that they desperately wanted to like it, but could not. I get the exact opposite impression, that they were determined to find fault with the movie if it wasn't a masterpiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanboy Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Considering that JC movies make much more than Pixar movies, double, tripple as much, i`d say all those people who didn`t turn Pixar shit into Camerons aren`t fans. The difference between Pixar and a JC movie (Titanic and Avatar, which is really only two movies) is people actually like pixar movies as much as they did when it was released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I get the exact opposite impression, that they were determined to find fault with the movie if it wasn't a masterpiece. interesting for me it always sounds like .... how can I dislike a Pixar movie, especially one with a heroine for the first time in history, that would be totally incorrect, but ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iEye Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) Come on, he was brought on in Fall 2010. Like anyone had any idea how John Carter was going to perform at that time. Performance isn't what we are talking about here. You can't tell me no one knew that John Carter wasn't working out and I bet there are people within Pixar who probably thought the same thing. What someone here said, this movie just needed a bit more time to make it perfect. I'll never agree to the idea off pulling the person who originally came up with the idea. I think what you do is bring people on board to help her out. Edited June 15, 2012 by iEye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddddeeee Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 They seem to be liking Merida a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 If this movie does end up to be widely disliked, I can't help but think back 2 years ago when I remember seeing a few people elsewhere on the internet debating about how Toy Story 3 was symbolic in the "ending to what we know as Pixar" just as the movie represented the ending of the toys way of life. I wonder... But anyway, I'm really, really, really shocked by this. I didn't expect this movie to get anywhere close to 64% on RT, let alone with a decent chance of getting lower. It sounds a lot more like mixed opinions than just flat out negative ones though, and also a lot of the "bad for Pixar" talk most reviews mention do really unfairly put the movie down, especially since it is completely newblood doing it. I am getting a bit worried though, and I really hope we aren't about to enter a Dark Ages for Pixar... Please save us, Pete Doctor and Bob Peterson! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLK Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Only 11 reviews are in so that 64% can very well move up. I am expecting a 75-80% RT rating when everything is said and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoot Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) Even if it was because of "political bullshit", they brought in a guy who was just as inexperienced as she was to take over. And another inexperienced filmmaker was brought on as co-director. I wouldn't call Brenda Chapman inexperienced at all. If they were just going to flounder around for the story, Lasseter should have kept her in charge of her own movie. And in fact, after Cars 2, should Lasseter even have that much clout over story issues nowadays? Edit: nothing against Mark Andrews directing, I think that it's important for new artists to direct... I just think this is more a management issue than anything. Edited June 15, 2012 by whoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iEye Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Exactly right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) I wouldn't call Brenda Chapman inexperienced at all. If they were just going to flounder around for the story, Lasseter should have kept her in charge of her own movie. And in fact, after Cars 2, should Lasseter even have that much clout over story issues nowadays? You know what I mean. She hadn't done any solo directing yet. And neither had Mark Andrews. Of course you need some experience in other areas before you're given a full-fledged directing gig (which Andrews did have, as well) Plus he was brought on before Cars 2 was released. Obviously that wasn't a liability on Lasseter's part yet. Edited June 15, 2012 by tribefan695 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanboy Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Even with the reviews, I still want to say 300M is still possible. I do. But, uh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I am much older than a boy and I would condemn boys for not wanting to see a girl as the hero, but if they can make a case that Merida acts like an annoying sister always quarreling with mom, I can make ammends for that. Such a word of mouth would kill Brave's BO chances far more than not being a masterpiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gideon Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 The topic of the latest movie from Pixar: James Cameron? John Carter? 64% at RT? What's all this?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoot Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) You know what I mean. She hadn't done any solo directing yet. And neither had Mark Andrews. Of course you need some experience in other areas before you're given a full-fledged directing gig (which Andrews did have, as well) Plus he was brought on before Cars 2 was released. Obviously that wasn't a liability on Lasseter's part yet. Chapman was a longtime member of the brain trust though, and was an important player in Lion King, co-directed Prince of Egypt... I think she deserved a bit more slack than she got. Again, nothing against Andrews. I actually want to see him direct his own film, something he developed from the start. Dude is a Brad Bird disciple I believe. I don't fault him. Lasseter needs a vacation IMO. Edited June 15, 2012 by whoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Lasseter needs a vacation IMO. He's still doing pretty well with Disney Animation, to be fair. Think too much of his focus has drifted over there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harpospoke Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Lasseter needs a vacation IMO. That may be the truth if Brave turns out to be another failure. But even if the guy has lost it....he still should be remembered as one of the great filmmakers ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iEye Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 ^ What measures are you using to judge him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 man such arrogance here. Nobody needs to leave PIXAR or take a vacation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoot Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 He's still doing pretty well with Disney Animation, to be fair. Think too much of his focus has drifted over there? That too. Actually Lasseter's struck me more as an inspirational manager than an actual story writer who does the heavy lifting; probably why WDAS is faring much better than Pixar nowadays? They're inspired while Pixar just gets Lasseter's story notes? Chris Sanders, Dean Deblois, and now Glen Keane were all lost on Lasseter's watch though... Not really a good thing, but given the studio's latest output, forgivable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
