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This is a post that I've been thinking about for awhile. Recently, I opened up the discussion to other members of the staff to get their feelings on the matter, and their opinions generally matched mine, which is this:

Within the last year or so, there's been a steady increase of negative posts in movie threads. We've always had some heated discussions for some movies, but recently things have not only gotten more histrionic in those threads (generally speaking, the CBM ones), but they've started to spread to other franchises and other movies as well. I'm not talking about out-and-out trolling, I'm talking about members feeling they have to consistently shit on a movie (or studio, or star) simply because they aren't interested in the current project or projects. With every piece of news about a movie, it's now a virtual guarantee that there's a flood of people rushing to say they think it sucks, they don't like the current trailer/tv spot/actor/actress/director/concept. And I get it -- we all have movies we don't like, movies which we think are bad ideas, industry people that just don't appeal to us. But there's a fine line between expressing your opinion about this and doing it so often, with such consistency, that the collective emphasis of all of it basically brings down the entire thread and thus the entire forum.

There's no easy answer to this. We don't want to crush freedom of expression here. But at the same time, the spirit of this forum is for people to have fun talking about the movies they love and the box-office runs they love.

To have fun.

And while it may be fun -- in a sense -- to personally vent about a movie, or to vent at people who dare to enjoy something you don't, it doesn't bring fun to our community. In fact, it generally drags down the overall fun for everyone else. We've had people repeatedly mention to us over the last several months or so that in some cases they don't even bother going into some threads -- even for movies they're curious about! -- because they just don't want to deal with the overall mess those threads contain. And frankly, that matches the personal opinion of most of the staff as well.

So this post is both a request and a warning. 

The request: Next time you feel like taking a dump on a movie (or a topic) for the dozenth time, take a moment to consider whether it's really worth it. People probably already have a good idea of what your attitude about the project is. Maybe just put your posting energy into a movie that you enjoy and love or are excited about.

The warning: The staff is going to be taking a closer look at some of these threads and we'll be more active with temp thread-bans if we think it'll help the overall vibe of the forum. I'd rather we don't have to, but it's not going to constrain any of you too much if you aren't allowed to post about a movie you supposedly don't care about anyway.

Remember the words of Bill and Ted: "Be Excellent to Each Other".

They're just movies, guys. It's about having fun.

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I also wouldn't call what the film does a "celebration", to me it's a bit more ambivalent. Sure, Cameron doesn't exactly make the queen a sympathetic character, but he doesn't shy away from the fact that yeah, Ripley can be seen as a straight up murderer, and the queen has every right to be pissed at her. 

 

It IS the intent.

 

The Battle of two Mothers.

 

That s greek tragedy epic stuff.

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Sci-Fi-Horrorweek #2

 

Aliens is an incredible interesting movie. The first hour basically nothing really happens. Sure, there are character introductions, the setting and mystery is established and the Vietnam allegory is more than obvious, but the film for me kicks off with the failure of the operation. But i cant help it or me, its all just so entertaining. Cameron just has a way to make movies entertaining no matter how long they are. Aliens has some great action, but the focus is on Ripley and her evolution from survivor to heroine - now thats how you make a fantastic female protagonist! Weaver was already great in the first one, but nearly all of her most memorable moments are from this movie. The only small downside is that even tough i have a very good Blu-Ray version of this film, the effects show some age and some of the sets are reminiscent of the Star Trek TV Show in the 60s which is actually not really a negative, it adds to the charme. All in all, this is one of the best movies of teh 80s and for me the second best sequel of all time after T2.

 

9,5/10, A

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On 4/27/2014 at 2:44 PM, Tele Came Back said:

I thought this was a sequel to E.T.

 

 

Not enough cuddling.

D+

 

@Water Bottle  Ban Please.

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On 10/07/2015 at 10:09 AM, Tele Came Back said:

The brief scenes with Ripley/Hicks interactions are great, and flesh out both characters beautifully. In fact, through them you can largely see Hicks stepping up and accepting the mantle of command.

 

The internet is wrong about the extended cut, btw. (I don't remember reading anything specific about Cameron preferring it over the shorter cut, but obviously he thinks it's worth watching). The theatrical cut is tauter and better, even though you lose the brief scene where Ripley finds out her daughter is dead. Most importantly, it doesn't show the colony or what happened until the Marines actually arrive.

 

Cameron does prefer it over the theatrical version.  He said so at the beginning of the commentary on the Quadrilogy box set.  

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12 hours ago, baumer said:

 

Cameron does prefer it over the theatrical version.  He said so at the beginning of the commentary on the Quadrilogy box set.  

 

He's too close to the material to be objective. :P (Especially since IIRC he had a bit of a struggle with the studio to arrive at an acceptable running time for them.)

 

If he took out that extended colony scene at the beginning, I'd agree with him -- the brief scene with Ridley finding out about her daughter is really nice, and most of the other little touches are great.

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56 minutes ago, Tele Came Back said:

 

He's too close to the material to be objective. :P (Especially since IIRC he had a bit of a struggle with the studio to arrive at an acceptable running time for them.)

 

If he took out that extended colony scene at the beginning, I'd agree with him -- the brief scene with Ridley finding out about her daughter is really nice, and most of the other little touches are great.

 

Yes, yes and more yes. That scene ruins the extended. Like cringe worthy. And it kills the pace and mystery, its kinda dumbfounds me, Cameron likes it. 

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I personally like the thetrical better as well. But Cameron feels differently.

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1 hour ago, baumer said:

I personally like the thetrical better as well. But Cameron feels differently.

I prefer the theatrical cut also.

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Aliens is a remarkable action film. Smartly spending the first hour primarily on letting us know the characters, everyone in the ensemble (with a few intentional exceptions) is worth rooting for in their own lovable way. Weaver is fantastic as Ripley, being a clear evolution from the first film that's both more empowering and more vulnerable. Paxton and Henriksen both steal the show, but really, the entire cast is fantastic in it. Cameron stages the action with the appropriate tension that constantly reminds you that these aliens are utterly terrifying, which allows the climax to be just as cathartic to us as it is to Ripley. Aliens is a well-deserved action classic, thanks to strong characters and still exciting setpieces. A

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Watched this for the first time last night (special edition) - absolutely immense. Near flawless example of how to do sci-fi or action. You really think not much is happening at all in the first hour, then it goes from 0 to 100 real quick and suddenly all the build-up pays off big style. 

 

Made seeing Covenant today all the more 'meh'. 

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