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You may very well, great! But if that's true, maybe you have compiled over 20,000 posts complaining about how stupid liberal elites only like pretentious shit and "real" people hate stupid SJWS and their non-blockbuster movies, so pardon me for being confused. Also, I like MMA, and am skipping a movie this afternoon to watch the football game. Stop being a victim and generalizing. The whole anti-"snob", anti-intelligence bullcrap has gone too far. It's possible to love sports and also be able to enjoy a movie like Moonlight way more than Fantastic Sky Beam Hunt 3.

I'm surprised Lordmandeep is defending Patriot's Day given the BO performance of it. I thought he hated any movie that grossed under 200 million.

Sad that Fences hasn't held better. I thought it was terrific. Also think that the complaint that it was "too much like a stage play" is maybe the sneaky worst go-to complaint of 2016. It's a Pulitzer Prize winning play that takes place entirely in one backyard. What did people expect, car chases and Denzel shooting people? It adds montages and season changes and a ton of subtle but classical shit that really adds to a work that would still be awesome if I filmed it on a cellphone in my own backyard. Great movie, man.

I hope so! I enjoyed the hell out of it. In my top five of the year, actually, pending Silence/Jackie/OJ/Elle/The Lobster.

What's up with Lion's expansion? I know Weinstein is in trouble, but it's not expanding at all and it has no marketing. Having seen the movie, I think it could absolutely be a big time hit if they do something with it, given the coming nominations as well.

I was being extremely conservative, but excellent. I said for a month in the LLL topic it could even challenged Chicago, and someone people thought I was nuts. But it's on the way.

I think Gosling's character made a very natural progression from a typical obnoxious white boy who goes on about the "magic of jazz" and acts like a pretentious dick, to someone who we learn more about and learn to love as the movie goes on. I think he had actually had a pretty defined arc here. Also, I love this fucking movie to no end.

So, with nominations and wins still pending, where does La La Land end up? That's really all that's interesting to me right now. It looks set for 125+ probably.

Holy fuck. Do we still have a post of the year category at the Boffies? if so, I know what I'm voting for.

If Ryan Reynolds gets nominated or Deadpool I'm boycotting the Boffies forever. My Best Actor right now is Affleck, Washington, Pine, Gosling, and Gyllenhaal but I still need to see quite a few movies, especially the Lobster and Sully. I'd maybe put Patel over Garfield or Jake G if he counts as a lead. Also, Andy Samberg is a legit contender for me. Popstar still holds up better than anything I saw before November tbh, including Hell or High Water. I expected more people to FYC Popstar, but consider that shit for Movie, Comedy, Actor, and Song (x4) for sure.

After seeing Lion, I can see why Oscar voters and guilds are (apparently!) taking to it so well. After the three big locks I honestly think it might be the next safest bet along with Hell or High Water. I think Silence, Fences, and Arrival are all more vulnerable, honestly. I actually think Garth Davis could be the semi-annual out of nowhere Best Director nod.

Really enjoyed it. It meanders in the second half a bit much, but Patel is charismatic enough to carry it, and the payoff is fantastic. The first half is freaking spectacular, honestly, and Davis is certainly a very promising talent to look for- I look forward to his Mary Mags movie very much next year. Gonna end up in my top ten of the year, which is a bit of a shock cuz I really wasn't too excited at all going into it.

Fuck, I still need to see Fences, OJ (the doc), Hidden Figures, Jackie, Lion, Patriot's Day, The Lobster, Captain Fantastic (ugh), Sully, and Kubo to get a real handle on all the big contenders. Also need to catch up on Stranger Things and The Americans and Black-ish. Lotta work to put in. My three favorites of the year are LLL, Moonlight, and Manchester, which are pretty much the consensus critical top three, so not worth FYCing them. For an underrated yet viable contender, please consider Nocturnal Animals in a bunch of stuff. This movie was real good and while I can see it being divisive (it has been), I thought about it more afterwards than most movies this year. Gyllenhaal/Adams in Lead, music, cinematography, Shannon for Supporting Actor, Ford for director, etc.

This better get more controversial before WrathofHan becomes the Geraldo Rivera of the box office forums.

If Fences follows War Horse exactly (same release schedule) it'd only do 64 million, which is disappointing. With more star power, better reviews and Oscar buzz, and stiff OD competition relative to WH, I think it could do about 70-75, which is fine.

Damn I was hoping for at least 5 million, especially with strong sellouts.

I saw that David Poland tweet. Anyone could figure that Fences, a movie with robust sellouts in 2,000+ theaters on Christmas Day, was not only doing 1 million for the day. Dumb tweet.

6.2m would be a pretty awesome start for Fences given that it's only playing on one screen per theater in 2,200 locations.

For lordman it's an equation. Above 80 percent on RT+under 300m at the box office. If it has both those factors, it is automatically pretentious.

There's a difference between a couple of people who just dislike a very popular movie (Hell, I know people that dislike the Shawshank Redemption and Raiders of the Lost Ark, two near perfect movies for what they are IMO) and a very vocal subgroup of people who try to shape the narrative around a film as "overrated" or "pretentious" or something like that, and if you check the discourse around La La Land, that's happening. When it becomes a cohesive opposition around a theme, whether it be a movie winning too many Oscars, or being copycat, or being overhyped by critics, or being a fraud of some sort, or being something that pretentious people like to be "cool" (check all the posters saying that about Mad Max, for example), I call that a backlash, specifically when it tries to drown out previous glowing remarks. I mean, it's kind of an intangible thing that pretty much everyone on these boards have used for the eight years I've been on here. Why is this suddenly a debate?

That's not what I meant and you know it, come on.

Damn, that blows. James Brown died on Christmas day, too, and he's one of the greatest ever. Really shitty to lose another. Also, La La Land floored me. Unreal movie. I don't get the inexplicable backlash to it. Then again, I don't get the inexplicable backlash to Whiplash either, considering I haven't seen a better movie in theaters since. I'd watch Chazelle direct someone reading the phonebook after these two movies. Brilliant talent.

In Florida, kids were in school all week this week, and will be off the entire week of the 2nd to 6th. I don't know if that's regular throughout the country, but I'm sure at least a few states are gonna do it. This year's calendar might line up well for the first week of January to see better than usual post holiday drops.

Can we have a separate category for miniseries/TV movie? There's way too much good to have to squeeze in The Night Of and OJ with things like Mr. Robot and GOT and all those drama shows. There's plenty of options this year.

Anecdotal evidence, but that trailer gets insane buzz every time I've seen it. South Florida loves Denzel, though. I think it'll do fairly well throughout the holidays and do 70+ at the box office. Maybe 5 or 6 mill on Sunday.