The Disney Thread | Happy 90th to Donald Duck!

[dudalb]

DIsney had a bad years, but predictons that is is doomed are really, really, silly.

I know Disney is the studio that a lot of people love to hate,but lets get real. Every company has bad years.

Edited November 28, 2023 by dudalb

[dudalb]

On 11/22/2023 at 1:06 PM, franfar said:

Any profits they make next year are basically gonna cover this year's losses, not including any losses from that year. They dug themselves into a financial hole

 

That is the way it has always works, Studio never expect every film to make money, they just hope that hits make enough to cover the red ink from the failures and generat the major profits.

[dudalb]

On 11/21/2023 at 1:19 PM, Mr Impossible said:

The way they make their movies is unsustainable and getting dragged into politics has compounded their issues. They are seen as a divisive studio for right and wrong reasons. Kinda sad that their 100th year might be their worst. All of their movie branches are faltering. Disney Animation clearly a mess, Star Wars is completely polarized, MCU quality is on the decline and becoming more polarized. I think Pixar funny enough has the best shot at making a comeback than the other divisions. Disney hurt that Pixar by putting it out there films on Disney+ and making a Lightyear movie no asked for. I can’t believe they still haven’t gotten rid of Kathleen Kennedy. Maybe she really does have dirt on everyone in Hollywood? 

A.I don't hink getting drageed into politics had much to do with Disney bad year at the box office.That is right wing BS. Warners made a openly political film with "Barbie" and had a huge hit. And Oppenhiemer tilted to the  left as well.

They just made movies that people did not want to see.

And it is NOT  Disney's worst year.Some of hte years in the late 70's and early 80's were a lot worse;The Mouse came clost to bankruptcy.

[AniNate]

Anything that gets a 90% on RT is typically set up well for success at least, especially when it comes to mainstream fare. I have no doubt a movie with the ambitions of Wish would be doing very respectful business right now if that were its fate.

Edited November 29, 2023 by AniNate

[Eric is Quiet]

2 hours ago, MysteryMovieMogul said:

But quality has always been an issue with Disney. Frozen 2 has the exact same Cinemascore as Wish, but the former made $477,373,578 domestically at the box office. Wish may not even make a quarter of that. The Rise of Skywalker wasn't great either, and yet it made $515,202,542 domestically at the box office.

 

The culture has changed, and I don't think quality is the fix. It'll help, for sure, but I don't think it's going to make the problem disappear.

Frozen 2 and TROS are nostalgic toy commercials, Wish isn't. Simple as that mate.

[Gavin Feng]

1 hour ago, SpiderByte said:

And Igers town hall was... basically the same stuff he's been saying since he came back as CEO. That Chapek pushed too much out during the pandemic, and things need to be spaced out more and expenses scaled back.

 

come on, we all know the quantity problem has long existed during the first era of Iger. Don't forget how he pushed Star Wars (incl denying the request of pushing SW7 back to 2016 due to no operational plan of trilogy) and finally destroy everything.

[SpiderByte]

15 minutes ago, Gavin Feng said:

 

come on, we all know the quantity problem has long existed during the first era of Iger. Don't forget how he pushed Star Wars (incl denying the request of pushing SW7 back to 2016 due to no operational plan of trilogy) and finally destroy everything.

....but that's the era Disney has strayed far away from. Part of Iger coming back is very specifically to recreate the success from 2015-2019.

[Eric is Quiet]

 

[dudalb]

1 hour ago, SpiderByte said:

....but that's the era Disney has strayed far away from. Part of Iger coming back is very specifically to recreate the success from 2015-2019.

Problem is the world had changed a lot since 2019, and what worked then might not work now.

 

[cannastop]

pecker-head Bob Iger. 🤡

[PlatnumRoyce]

23 hours ago, dudalb said:

A.I don't hink getting drageed into politics had much to do with Disney bad year at the box office.That is right wing BS. Warners made a openly political film with "Barbie" and had a huge hit. And Oppenhiemer tilted to the  left as well.

They just made movies that people did not want to see.

Quality/inability to sell films is the main reason but...Disney themselves are openly saying this is a real reason for declining box office receipts in their yearly report. Remember, Disney didn't "make a political movie" they picked a big culture war fight with a leading presidential candidate in on grounds a and framing designed to split a left wing coalition from the median voter. This fight generated many rounds of literal front page news coverage stretching over a month. They also unambiguously lost that fight which really hinders the ability to reframe the events in a banal pabulum style position. It was a real thing that hurt them and there was a second round of that early this year (which clearly caused DeSantis to lose some face/reputation but didn't exactly do anything to help Disney's own brand). 

 

Quote

We face risks relating to misalignment with public and consumer tastes and preferences for entertainment, travel and consumer products, which impact demand for our entertainment offerings and products and the profitability of any of our businesses.

[a roughly one page section that ends with]

Further, consumers’ perceptions of our position on matters of public interest, including our efforts to achieve certain of our environmental and social goals, often differ widely and present risks to our reputation and brands. Consumer tastes and preferences impact, among other items, revenue from advertising sales (which are based in part on ratings for the programs in which advertisements air), affiliate fees, subscription fees, theatrical film receipts, the license of rights to other distributors, theme park admissions, hotel room charges and merchandise, food and beverage sales, sales of licensed consumer products or sales of our other consumer products and services.

You see the corporate reputation hit in generic apolitical polls like Harris corporate rep survey. They meaningfully changed their reputation in a significantly negative direction in recent years.  

It's hard to figure out explicit connection between this stuff and the box office but especially given the run of poor and mediocre content, just having generic audience goodwill would clearly be greatly helpful. Instead they've taken a gold star brand and polarized it solely by tanking its perception among Republicans. 

Edited November 29, 2023 by PlatnumRoyce

[cannastop]

4 minutes ago, PlatnumRoyce said:

It's hard to figure out explicit connection between this stuff and the box office but especially given the run of poor and mediocre content, just having generic audience goodwill would clearly be greatly helpful. Instead they've taken a gold star brand and polarized it solely by tanking its perception among Republicans. 

OK but it's not the fault of the filmmakers that DeSantis pitched a fit or that Disney did whatever in response to that fit.

[robertman2]

Is DeSantis even relevant anymore? Thought it was all about that Vivek guy now

[Morieris]

39 minutes ago, cannastop said:

pecker-head Bob Iger. 🤡

 

I don't think this will be the way to beat the outdated and irrelevant allegations, Bob.

 

I hope other studios will step up to be inclusive if Disney feels it's not profitable and wants to appeal to, frankly, a lot of bigoted people for their continued growth.

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Morieris

[PlatnumRoyce]

 

12 minutes ago, cannastop said:

OK but it's not the fault of the filmmakers that DeSantis pitched a fit or that Disney did whatever in response to that fit.

 

Sure, but that wasn't my argument. We could probably spend all day debating how to caveat that statement but for the most part it's more akin to how wars or natural disasters semi-randomly impact films. 

[MovieMan89]

On 11/28/2023 at 3:22 PM, SpiderByte said:

And Igers town hall was... basically the same stuff he's been saying since he came back as CEO. That Chapek pushed too much out during the pandemic, and things need to be spaced out more and expenses scaled back.

The fact that he publicly throws Chapek under the bus so hard and so much since coming back is kind of insane when you consider how he made sure everyone knew he “hand picked” Chapek as his successor at the time. Lol Bob. 

[keysersoze123]

Iger has been absolute disaster this time around. As I have said before, I feel he is gone before this tenure ends for sure. 

[YM!]

From that interview, I think it's clear Iger was the one to throw DeCosta under the bus.

[MovieMan89]

On 11/28/2023 at 3:54 PM, dudalb said:

DIsney had a bad years, but predictons that is is doomed are really, really, silly.

I know Disney is the studio that a lot of people love to hate,but lets get real. Every company has bad years.

Bad year is a colossal understatement for the movies. There’s no way any other movie studio has ever even experienced a fraction of the movie losses in one year as Disney this year. 
 

What makes them OK is the absurd profit haul from last decade they’re probably still swimming in as well as their other lines of huge revenue. But if they were like the other studios and had to depend mostly on the movies, they could prob only take one more year of this before the end. 

[MovieMan89]

I truly believe that had Gunn not delivered and GOTG did as bad as previews/ OD was indicating, the shareholders would have massive pitchforks right now and there would be mass hysteria among the execs over what to do. Who even knows the kind of statements we’d be getting.

 

All the more crazy when you think about how Disney came this close to permanently cutting off their working relationship with Gunn a few years back. 
 

Elemental blowing up on D+ was their only other saving grace. 

Edited November 29, 2023 by MovieMan89