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[Dragon]

3 minutes ago, Water Bottle said:

 

The problem was never really the amount of CGI destruction. They might have cut down on it but that wasn't what people were really complaining about.  In both films, the destruction was cool but shallow.

 

If Batman during the Doomsday fight had been trying to save people while Wonder Woman and Superman fought Doomsday off, that would have started to address concerns.

 

People don't just want to see Superman beat up bad guys.  They want to see him save us from bad guys.  And even the little saving that was in the movie?  All gloom.

But werent they in abandon area

[CJohn]

4 minutes ago, Water Bottle said:

 

The problem was never really the amount of CGI destruction. They might have cut down on it but that wasn't what people were really complaining about.  In both films, the destruction was cool but shallow.

 

If Batman during the Doomsday fight had been trying to save people while Wonder Woman and Superman fought Doomsday off, that would have started to address concerns.

 

People don't just want to see Superman beat up bad guys.  They want to see him save us from bad guys.  And even the little saving that was in the movie?  All gloom.

That was not what 99% of the Internet was saying about Man of Steel. 

 

They also make Doomsday go to an abandoned area. There is nobody to save there  

[The Futurist]

This over the top grim dark, rainy night bullshit needs to die.

 

Even Nolan s Batman smiled a bit in TDK.

 

I don't see any kid going out of BvS thinking Batman or Superman were cool, wanting to buy their toys.

Wonder Woman perhaps.

 

[The Futurist]

So there is never gonna be superheores fighting in a big city destroying everything without worrying about useless collateral damage again ?

 

Da INTERNETZ KILLED D PORN.

 

Edited April 2, 2016 by The Futurist

[Nova]

6 minutes ago, nilephelan said:

I can't believe what I hear sometimes.  The DC iconic property featuring Batman and Superman with about $400m in budget/advertising thrown behind it is going to get beat down at the box office by a C-list character and a budget about 1/5th the budget, an R rating, no 3D and a worse release date.  It also is going to get beat down by an original cartoon movie featuring a cute bunny and some funny sloths.  This isn't even mentioning the horrible reviews and bad cinemascore/WOM and crumbling numbers overseas which is the real danger for WB/DC.   

 

That isn't a troll, but an honest assessment of the current competition releasing immediately around it.  

 

With all this said, the reaction you see from some people is "don't worry, they are listening and learning, it will be fine and this is all overreaction".  It blows my mind.  

 

Someone mentioned Divergent earlier, and if they continue to let Snyder direct these, that is exactly the sort of diminishing box office trajectory they are asking for.  People simply aren't going to trust him or Warner Bros. and won't spend their money on it.   

We've been saying this all week and it's just been us talking to ourselves. And anytime we state as such we get labeled a troll and want the movie to fail. Anyone who has been critical of the film's box office has been called a hater. Even though it's honestly just an honest assessment of what's going on with the movie and the movies around it like Deadpool and Zootopia. When we say there's no way WB is happy about this, we get some long winded response about how they're thrilled even though everything that's been said before this film came out was that $1B is the expectation. 

Edited April 2, 2016 by Nova

[Heat Vision]

46 minutes ago, Mango said:

I'm betting Batfleck is going to begin production sooner or later. I could see WB pulling a Marvel/Spidey thing and shifting the schedule a bit to fit it into 2018.

 

December 2018 is open.

 

Warner Bros dropped the ball though. I would have tried to counter the negativity is some way. Maybe announce a couple of future projects and bring some positive buzz to the DCEU.

 

And those that say Affleck is replacing Snyder are delusional. Affleck has never done a project that big in his life. He probably learned a lot from Snyder when it comes to directing Batman and he has a film with more grounded action before in The Town. Batman is where he should be at.

[Water Bottle]

1 minute ago, Dragon said:

But werent they in abandon area

 

That was part of the problem. No immediate stakes that people's lives are in danger.  

 

Just now, CJohn said:

That was not what 99% of the Internet was saying about Man of Steel. 

 

They also make Doomsday go to an abandoned area. There is nobody to save there  

 

One of the things I've learned is don't just listen to feedback.  Get to the core of the feedback. 

[CJohn]

3 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

This over the top grim dark, rainy night bullshit needs to die.

 

Even Nolan s Batman smiled a bit in TDK.

 

I don't see any kid going out of BvS thinking Batman or Superman were cool, wanting to buy their toys.

Wonder Woman perhaps.

 

Do you think they got out of TDK or MoS happy? C'mon, all 5 movies are not for kids. This is not the problem. The problem is that people don't like MoS and BvS. It is as simple as that.

[75Live]

4 minutes ago, CJohn said:

That was not what 99% of the Internet was saying about Man of Steel. 

 

They also make Doomsday go to an abandoned area. There is nobody to save there  

 

yeah so one could say that taking him to an abandoned area is actually saving people  

[CJohn]

1 minute ago, Water Bottle said:

 

That was part of the problem. No immediate stakes that people's lives are in danger.  

 

One of the things I've learned is don't just listen to feedback.  Get to the core of the feedback. 

Ultron did what you wanted BvS to do and it was absurd, created pacing problems and really stupid boring moments. Honestly, MoS created a really stupid dumb discussion on the Internet. 

[Gannicus]

5 minutes ago, CJohn said:

That was not what 99% of the Internet was saying about Man of Steel. 

 

They also make Doomsday go to an abandoned area. There is nobody to save there  

 

The internet then made fun of Whedon he showed the Avengers rescuing people for half of the end of the movie. 

[HAL 9000]

1 hour ago, nilephelan said:

I will repeat again, here is the plan for WB if they are listening.....

 

- Delay the Justice League movie and get rid of Zack Snyder.  Get a diverse team of people to step in and run the DC Universe properly and not rushed.  

- Immediately move forward with Affleck directing Batman and put it in the JL release date of Nov. 17th, 2017

- Make sure everything is done to make sure Suicide Squad is a success in August.  Looks like they are doing that and I bet it will be.  

- Wonder Woman looks like it will be a success as well in June 2017

- If all of that is a success, then start production on Justice League next year with a new director.  

 

It really isn't that hard of a fix.  Batman v Superman was a failure, but the consensus is that Affleck was great as Batman and Gail Gadot was great as Wonder Woman.  Focus on that first and do the Justice League thing once audiences have bought in and you have the right directors and producers in place.  

 

 

"It really isnt that hard of a fix" 

 

Theres a million things that could go wrong in that ToDo list. Suicide Squad might just do OK. Wonder Woman looks like it will be a success? To say we dont even have a trailer yet is putting it mildly. She was kind of liked in a mostly despised movie for showing up and fighting. I would say Gadot was great looking as "Wonder Walking Around Parties Woman" but I wouldnt say she was great. A Batman movie is to go from a few notes on napkins by Affleck into a movie in theaters in 18 months?

 

None of that is impossible but I would hardly call it "not that hard of a fix".

[CJohn]

Just now, Gannicus said:

 

The internet then made fun of Whedon he showed the Avengers rescuing people for half of the end of the movie. 

Exactly.

 

MoS created a monster lmao. People on the Internet are so dumb. Just burn all these fandoms to the ground. Murder them all. Don't let a single one of them stay alive.

[The Futurist]

1 minute ago, CJohn said:

Do you think they got out of TDK or MoS happy? C'mon, all 5 movies are not for kids. This is not the problem. The problem is that people don't like MoS and BvS. It is as simple as that.

 

I don't know, you root for Batman in TDK's trilogy.

Same for Supes in MOS.

 

Batman & Superman were both insufferable in BvS to me but that s all very subjective.

 

I think the Nolan s trilogy had something appealing to kids.

Nolan thought about this as there are kids in his movies that react to what Batman does.

 

This BvS movie is so grim, characters have no light in them.

 

 

[Water Bottle]

Just now, CJohn said:

Ultron did what you wanted BvS to do and it was absurd, created pacing problems and really stupid boring moments. Honestly, MoS created a really stupid dumb discussion on the Internet. 

 

Nice of you to use a movie that was better received than BvS as an example of why I'm right. 

[Intergalactic Ping Pong]

The WB gambled to see if this style could result in a four quadrant blockbuster. They chose a director whose previous top WW gross before DC was $456 million. His style hasn't shown to be one that results in four quadrant hits. For one, men like his style far more than women. Also, most parents certainly wouldn't decide to take their small children to see a Snyder live-action film in theaters. 

 

The WB was willing to take a risk and I don't fault them for that. They could have chosen to copy Marvel but they didn't and that's a good thing in my book. If their aim is a 4 quad hit (likely), then they now know they need to tweak a few things. I hope they continue to develop their own style and let Marvel do their thing while DC does its thing. Because if Marvel and DC become too similar, it would be bad for CBMs, IMO. 

 

I enjoyed the movie but I realize it isn't a 4 quad film. Was it actually expected to be? I'm sure the WB hoped it would be, but they certainly made choices that don't reflect an end goal of a four quad film. If Snyder stays on board, then that will be a definitive statement in my book that they aren't trying to make a four quad JL. Either route is good in my book, because not all films will have universal appeal. I'll probably enjoy JL if it is in this style, but for the WB's sake, I hope they keep their advertising and marketing costs down. The next film won't be making $1.5 billion and the WB should accept that if they go forward with Snyder. Moderate the costs and expect a mid-level hit. That's the sensible thing to do.

[CJohn]

2 minutes ago, Water Bottle said:

 

Nice of you to use a movie that was better received than BvS as an example of why I'm right. 

Dude, the movie had shit legs. Not as bad as BvS, but it was definitely not well received at all.

 

Also, the Internet complained about Whedon spending HALF OF THE THING having the heroes saving the civilians lol. 

2 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

 

I don't know, you root for Batman in TDK's trilogy.

Same for Supes in MOS.

 

Batman & Superman were both insufferable in BvS to me but that s all very subjective.

 

I think the Nolan s trilogy had something appealing to kids.

Nolan thought about this as there are kids in his movies that react to what Batman does.

 

This BvS movie is so grim, characters have no light in them.

Heh, no argument against this. You spend 90% of the movie where you have nobody to root for in BvS because they are not fighting a villain. 

[department store basement]

2 minutes ago, The Futurist said:

Batman & Superman were both insufferable in BvS to me but that s all very subjective.

 

Agreed. I was rooting for WW.

[jj99]

21 minutes ago, Nova said:

That's what I thought but I know people love to hate him so I was wondering how he was perceived in Portugal. But yes Ronaldo coming through has made my day 

 

As a life long Real Madrid hater and a Ronaldo Stan (Man Utd Fan) i don't know how to take the result.

[Water Bottle]

Just now, CJohn said:

Dude, the movie had shit legs. Not as bad as BvS, but it was definitely not well received at all.

Heh, no argument against this. You spend 90% of the movie where you have nobody to root for in BvS because they are not fighting a villain. 

 

I said "better recieved" than BvS, CJohn, not well recieved.