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[YM!]

Thing is with a more savvy GA RT has a bigger effect since given how expensive going to the movies are nowadays. An night to the movies for a single person is $30 and $100 for an average family. If something gets bad reviews, some of the GA might be turned off and want to save the money for something else all the road or rent it on Redbox/Netflix or go on a $5 Tuesday.

[WrathOfHan]

In all my hot takes, I don't think anyone has argued against my opinion with a RT score. Just sayin'.

[DAR]

On June 16, 2017 at 10:51 AM, baumer said:

Using the words Pixar and dumped in the same sentence is pretty silly in my opinion.

Yeah I don't think you dump a movie on 4200 screens on the same weekend that's been pretty successful for you over the years

[TheMovieman]

10 minutes ago, superduperm said:

Shame it doesn't seem to be doing great box office wise. I believe it deserves better.

 

Have to think Cars 2 really hurt it. That was an awful movie. It was the only Pixar movie I've ever truly hated.

[The Panda]

It's difficult to really get a good dataset to test the RT effect.  If you separate by genre you spread yourself thin (because you really shouldn't use films prior to maybe 2014, because RT has grown immensely in popularity since then), but if you broaden your samples you'll dilute your results because what defines success is relative. (Say, Get Out's total is a massive success for a small budget horror film, but it'd be a disaster for an Avengers movie)

 

 

[grey ghost]

8 minutes ago, damnitgeorge08 said:

And baywatch did more than nice guys and lobsters which discards RT's credibility. Gotg vol. 2 will have better legs than civil war which also discards rt. Alien covenant is gonna have bad legs af, which also discards rt credibility.

That was my point, rt is not objective.

 

Let's stick to tentpole films if we want to do a fair analysis of RT's impact.

[grim22]

2 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said:

In all my hot takes, I don't think anyone has argued against my opinion with a RT score. Just sayin'.

 

Does anyone argue with your hot takes in general? Don't think people are engaging.

[YM!]

Early this year, me and a group of friends had a discussion on BVS and it's quality. They pointed out their likes and dislikes and their opinions but never the RT score.

[WrathOfHan]

Just now, grim22 said:

 

Does anyone argue with your hot takes in general? Don't think people are engaging.

Of course they are. It spawned at least 4 or 5 pages in WW's OW thread  

[The Panda]

1 minute ago, TheMovieman said:

 

Have to think Cars 2 really hurt it. That was an awful movie. It was the only Pixar movie I've ever truly hated.

 

Yeah, I tend to go see every Pixar/WDAS movie in theaters, but I'll be skipping Cars 3 until redbox maybe.

[DAR]

2 minutes ago, WrathOfHan said:

In all my hot takes, I don't think anyone has argued against my opinion with a RT score. Just sayin'.

46% Consensus:. Despite some potential Han's post get lost in a myriad of making fun of Ethan Hunt's love life and potentially dangerous MRA takes

[WrathOfHan]

Just now, DAR said:

46% Consensus:. Despite some potential Han's post get lost in a myriad of making fun of Ethan Hunt's love life and potentially dangerous MRA takes

[The Futurist]

I can't really prove it but I am convinced RT killed Baywatch's box office chances in America, it s definitely the kind of movie that could have worked well at a time when the World wasn't under the Tomatro's dictatorship.

Those were the days ...

[titanic2187]

8 hours ago, Barnack said:

 

I<m not sure if all of those fit the mid-budget bill, Hancock was a 166 million net budget movie, an around 200 million gross budget. All the night at the museum were over 100 million production I think. Well in today world they can feel like mid budget in comparison with those 300m+ movies.

 

If we define mid budget by between 35m to 85 million, and using the-numbers as a source of budget, in the last 3 year's those are the movie that made over 100 million at the WW box office (only 60 of them), without animation and Fifty shade of grey it would look even worst (and like you said about the domestic market, many of those were world success not domestic):

 

Release Date	Movie	Production Budget	Domestic Gross	Worldwide Gross	Ratio
7/10/2015	Minions	$74,000,000	$336,045,770	$1,167,245,366	15.77
7/8/2016	The Secret Life of Pets	$75,000,000	$368,384,330	$875,958,307	11.68
2/12/2016	Deadpool	$58,000,000	$363,070,709	$783,770,709	13.51
12/21/2016	Sing	$75,000,000	$270,329,045	$628,791,988	8.38
2/13/2015	Fifty Shades of Grey	$40,000,000	$166,167,230	$570,998,101	14.27
2/19/2016	Mei Ren Yu	$60,720,000	$3,229,457	$552,198,479	9.09
9/25/2015	Hotel Transylvania 2	$80,000,000	$169,700,110	$470,751,398	5.88
1/22/2016	Zhuo yao ji	$56,000,000	$32,766	$386,096,060	6.89
2/10/2017	Fifty Shades Darker	$55,000,000	$114,434,010	$376,860,515	6.85
5/20/2016	The Angry Birds Movie	$73,000,000	$107,509,366	$349,336,197	4.79
1/20/2017	xXx: Return of Xander Cage	$85,000,000	$44,898,413	$345,114,933	4.06
1/9/2015	Taken 3	$48,000,000	$89,256,424	$327,656,424	6.83
2/6/2015	The SpongeBob Movie: Sponge Out of Water	$74,000,000	$162,994,032	$311,594,032	4.21
6/10/2016	The Conjuring 2: The Enfield Poltergeist	$40,000,000	$102,470,008	$311,270,008	7.78
2/10/2017	The Lego Batman Movie	$80,000,000	$175,750,384	$310,940,997	3.89
9/18/2015	Maze Runner: The Scorch Trials	$61,000,000	$81,697,192	$310,697,192	5.09
1/27/2017	Resident Evil: The Final Chapter	$40,000,000	$26,844,692	$307,353,906	7.68
1/16/2015	Paddington	$55,000,000	$76,223,578	$259,541,430	4.72
12/25/2015	Daddy’s Home	$50,000,000	$150,357,137	$238,757,137	4.78
9/9/2016	Sully	$60,000,000	$125,070,033	$238,552,082	3.98
6/5/2015	Spy!	$65,000,000	$110,825,712	$233,125,712	3.59
9/18/2015	Everest	$65,000,000	$43,309,450	$221,662,676	3.41
10/28/2016	Inferno	$75,000,000	$34,355,263	$219,572,877	2.93
6/17/2016	Central Intelligence	$50,000,000	$127,440,871	$217,196,811	4.34
6/26/2015	Ted 2	$68,000,000	$81,284,830	$217,022,588	3.19
9/16/2016	Bridget Jones’s Baby	$35,000,000	$24,139,805	$203,555,567	5.82
11/11/2016	Arrival	$47,000,000	$100,546,139	$197,929,547	4.21
9/25/2015	The Intern	$40,000,000	$75,764,672	$197,232,734	4.93
2/5/2016	Xi You Ji zhi Sun Wu Kong San Da Bai Gu Jing	$60,000,000	$709,982	$194,058,503	3.23
3/4/2016	London Has Fallen	$60,000,000	$62,524,260	$193,857,962	3.23
4/7/2017	Smurfs: The Lost Village	$60,000,000	$44,336,614	$192,951,866	3.22
4/28/2017	Baahubali 2: The Conclusion	$30,000,000	$18,985,794	$184,075,552	6.14
9/23/2016	Storks	$70,000,000	$72,679,278	$174,102,281	2.49
11/25/2015	Creed	$37,000,000	$109,767,581	$173,567,581	4.69
10/7/2016	The Girl on the Train	$45,000,000	$75,395,035	$170,327,930	3.79
2/10/2017	John Wick: Chapter Two	$40,000,000	$92,029,184	$166,926,061	4.17
10/16/2015	Bridge of Spies	$40,000,000	$72,313,754	$162,610,473	4.07
10/21/2016	Jack Reacher: Never Go Back	$60,000,000	$58,697,076	$160,038,407	2.67
11/4/2016	Hacksaw Ridge	$40,000,000	$67,209,615	$158,701,644	3.97
10/16/2015	Goosebumps	$58,000,000	$80,069,458	$158,162,788	2.73
1/22/2016	Yip Man 3	$36,000,000	$2,679,437	$156,835,197	4.36
2/27/2015	Focus	$65,000,000	$53,862,963	$154,362,963	2.37
10/14/2016	The Accountant	$40,000,000	$86,260,045	$153,060,045	3.83
12/25/2015	The Hateful Eight	$62,000,000	$54,117,416	$145,443,360	2.35
7/17/2015	Trainwreck	$35,000,000	$110,038,130	$140,949,327	4.03
10/23/2015	The Last Witch Hunter	$80,000,000	$27,367,660	$131,234,406	1.64
8/12/2016	Pete’s Dragon	$65,000,000	$76,233,151	$128,375,539	1.98
1/15/2016	Ride Along 2	$40,000,000	$90,862,685	$124,827,316	3.12
9/4/2015	Tian jiang xiong shi	$65,000,000	$74,070	$122,519,874	1.88
12/23/2016	Why Him?	$38,000,000	$60,323,786	$117,523,786	3.09
1/22/2016	The 5th Wave	$38,000,000	$34,912,982	$110,678,636	2.91
5/20/2016	Neighbors 2: Sorority Rising	$35,000,000	$55,340,730	$108,758,521	3.11
4/17/2015	Paul Blart: Mall Cop 2	$38,000,000	$71,038,190	$107,597,242	2.83
3/27/2015	Get Hard	$40,000,000	$90,411,453	$106,511,453	2.66
12/18/2015	Sisters	$30,000,000	$87,044,645	$106,030,660	3.53
8/14/2015	The Man From U.N.C.L.E.	$75,000,000	$45,445,109	$105,445,109	1.41
3/6/2015	Chappie	$49,000,000	$31,569,268	$105,002,056	2.14
12/25/2015	Joy	$60,000,000	$56,451,232	$101,134,059	1.69
7/29/2015	Vacation	$31,000,000	$58,884,188	$100,655,892	3.25
5/25/2017	Baywatch	$60,000,000	$53,547,500	$100,637,396	1.68

 

deadpool is a CBM movie, hence offer that tremendous advantage, from this list, none of them grossed more than $200m domestically

[grey ghost]

11 minutes ago, AHepBurn said:

Thing is, you can't quantify "good" like that. Movies are art. And by it's nature art is highly subjective.

 

For instance I generally like Tony Scott films. Top Gun (56% - Rotten, 86% Audience)) is currently kind of a beloved classic and the highest grossing film of 1986. That situation probably doesn't occur with Rotten Tomatoes in the 80s. Man on Fire (39% - Rotten, 89% Audience), another Tony Scott film, wouldn't have gotten a fair shot. And so on and so forth.

 

There's so many films throughout history that have needed a bit of time to be properly appreciated and there are movies that were initially really praised but have since gone down in opinion. Citizen Kane wasn't entirely appreciated on it's release and it's really only today that it's regarded as one of the greatest movies ever. My personal favorite cult film, Big Trouble in Little China, was initially mixed in critical response upon release but sits at 82% - Fresh today. The Thing, another John Carpenter movie, was really hit hard by critics upon release but currently sits at 81% - Fresh today. I'm sure everyone has movies that they love but have low ratings on RT and vice versa.

 

Rotten Tomatoes doesn't really measure if a movie is "good." At best it really measures is "If I were the average moviegoer, what percentage likelihood would I say 'It was alright.'" for wide release movies. And critical reception at times could be even more out of tune with audience reception when it comes to smaller films like The Witch (91% - Fresh, 56% Audience), which I will also say my horror aficionado friends absolutely loathed.

 

So yes, Rotten Tomatoes is a problem and it's one that Hollywood needs to solve.

 

What you can do is measure how many people somewhat obsessed with film would recommend a certain film.

 

And depending on how often you agree with critics and how extreme the rating is, that's enough to get a reliable read whether the movie is a waste of time and money.

[grim22]

If we as casual observers are discussing RT this much, there must definitely be a film industry level discussion as to what to do about the RT problem for sure.

 

i don't think they will embargo to day of release, but they might start putting in things like - "You can review the movie but not put your review on RT till Sunday of release" or similar as a blanket practice.

[YM!]

I think that certain genres (depending on brand) can be RT proof like animation, superhero movies, and Star Wars (as long as it's over 20%) since the GA has more trust for those genres. 

[aabattery]

Just now, YourMother said:

I think that certain genres (depending on brand) can be RT proof like animation, superhero movies, and Star Wars (as long as it's over 20%) since the GA has more trust for those genres. 

 

Ah yes. The Star Wars genre.

[WrathOfHan]

Here's a solution to the RT problem: MAKE SOME MORE GOOD FUCKING MOVIES

[DAR]

So I picked a critic from RT Mike Ryan.  I looked at his Best and Worst Reviewed.  

 

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/critic/mike-ryan-16092/movies

 

His best I agreed with 7.  And worst I agreed with 5 only because there's two I haven't seen.