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[dudalb]

1 minute ago, Maggie said:

Putin is defending his country. The best defence is the attack

 

Look, i was with Ukraine when this war started, but the issue is complicated

With all respect, you are falling for Putin's disinformation campaign.

 

And Putin defending his country?????????????????????????

Edited February 27, 2022 by dudalb

[Porthos]

32 minutes ago, Maggie said:

Russians are quiet, but the Ukrainians are using propaganda to a maximum effect. I hope you know Ghost of Kyiv was also fake. Blatant disinformation coming from Ukraine and probably US too

 

 

 

 

Quoting rt.com?  Literally Russian state press in this case?

 

C'mon Maggie.

 

We both know that propaganda is going to be used here, but going to the modern day incarnation of Pravda?  There are better sources out there if you don't want to be sucked into valiant claims of heroism.

[Maggie]

8 minutes ago, dudalb said:

 

Have you been seeing some of the images on TV. You can't fake those.

 

LOL you can't be serious.

 

I'm gonna say it, only one of them leaders is an actor....

[Porthos]

2 minutes ago, Maggie said:

Putin is defending his country.

 

He absolutely 100 percent is not.  Not in the slightesty.

2 minutes ago, Maggie said:

The best defence is the attack

 

I'd say "defense against what", but we both know (or should know) that there was nothing to defend against here.

2 minutes ago, Maggie said:

Look, i was with Ukraine when this war started, but the issue is complicated

 

It really really REALLY is not.

 

At.

 

All.

[dudalb]

Just now, Maggie said:

LOL you can't be serious.

 

I'm gonna say it, only one of them leaders is an actor....

You are digging yourself in deeper by the post....

[ZeeSoh]

6 minutes ago, Maggie said:

Putin is defending his country. The best defence is the attack

 

Look, i was with Ukraine when this war started, but the issue is complicated

What the actual fuck. Defending his country by attacking another country and killing civilians? What a ridiculous and shameful take

[Brainbug]

Mods, we have someone literally defending a war criminal here.

[Lion Roar]

9 minutes ago, Maggie said:

Putin is defending his country. The best defence is the attack

 

Look, i was with Ukraine when this war started, but the issue is complicated

Yeah, like Hitler was defending his country when he attacked Poland? Like Japan was protecting itself when it annexed Korea and invaded China? Disgusting and shameful attempt to absolve imperialist invaders

[Maggie]

Guys, sorry i took it too far

[XXR & Friends]

16 minutes ago, Maggie said:

Putin is defending his country. The best defence is the attack

 

Well this is just stupidity. I mean you've definitely said dumb shit in the past but this is stupid, even for you.

Edited February 27, 2022 by PenguinXXR

[Porthos]

16 minutes ago, Maggie said:

LOL you can't be serious.

 

I'm gonna say it, only one of them leaders is an actor....

 

Maggie, I'll put it to you simply.

 

Sometimes, sometimes, one side is simply... WRONG.

 

If Russia was simply trying to support rebels/separatists in Eastern Ukraine?  Fine. Well, not "fine" (in fact not fine in the slighest), but part of a long sad history of geopolitical maneuvering by folks who can get away with it.

 

But that's not what happened here.  Russia, or to be more precise Putin, has decide to topple the Ukrainian government and AT BEST install a puppet regime that he can control to serve Russian interests.  Or rather his interests.

 

That's AT BEST.  It could be much much worse.  Probably is worse than that, if not much worse.

 

I get the drive to try to understand the viewpoints of others. "Surely they have rational reasons for doing something horrific.  I better investigate and Find Out The Truth."  That impulse works in lots of situations.  But sometimes, yes sometimes, people just do bad things that shouldn't be rationalized or excused.  And launching an unprovoked attack on a neighboring country when they don't pose any sort of threat to you is one of them.  Doubly so if you're nursing a 30 year grudge about loss of influence and fear of being dominated financially and culturally by foreign powers.

 

Yes, there will be propaganda flying from all sides.  And, yes, there will almost certainly be folks on the sidelines looking to take advantage of things.  Vultures and other carrion eaters can often be seen circling the skies of the battlefield.  And sometimes those vultures take human form.

 

But that doesn't detract from the very simple truth:  This war is going on because Putin wanted it. 

 

Full. Stop.

 

The reasons why Putin launched this war might be varied and numerous.  It.  Was. And. Is. Still. WRONG.

 

Edited February 27, 2022 by Porthos

[Brainbug]

3 minutes ago, Lion Roar said:

Yeah, like Hitler was defending his country when he attacked Poland? Like Japan was protecting itself when it annexed Korea and invaded China? Disgusting and shameful attempt to absolve imperialist invaders

 

And on top of that, he threatened nuclear war (!) on anyone who dares to interfere in his war of agession campaign. Putin is a total nutcase and is not only the enemy of Ukraine, but also for everyone who wants to live in a free, democratric world.

[dudalb]

Just now, Maggie said:

Guys, sorry i took it too far

Piece of advice:

A. CHeck your source. That article you cited was by someone who war infamous for being a Putin apologist.

as a trip to wikipedia would have shown.

B. Handle seirious issues a lot more carefully then you do geek/fanboy stuff.

[Eric is Quiet]

Moderation

 

@Maggie that's enough. Straight up, full disclosure, that is enough. There's a lot of things we let slide here, but war apologism is not one of them. Cut it out or I'm cutting you out.

 

And to everybody else, please drop the subject.

[lorddemaxus]

 

29 minutes ago, Porthos said:

 

Remember, Putin (and many of people of his ilk) like to:

 

 

Such a great turn of phrase and one we should use more often.

Fuck Putin, but this is kind of a wack counter-arguement. Groups like the Azov Batallion (which is a part of the Ukranian military) and Ukranian Insurgent Army are still up and running. America elected a black president, but that doesn't mean that racism is not a huge problem here anymore.

[dudalb]

And Benedict Donald, at CPAC, just defended Putin. I guess those stories about Putin having photos of Donnie taking a GOlden Shower might be true.

[filmlover]

On a more frivolous note (as a break from all the distressing stuff happening in the world right now), it appears that now that we've freed Britney, is #FreeAmanda next?

 

Amanda Bynes Reportedly Files To End 8-Year Conservatorship Which Gives Her Mother Control Of Actress’ Life & Estate

Amanda Bynes Files To End 8-Year Conservatorship Over Life & Estate – Deadline

 

[Porthos]

12 minutes ago, lorddemaxus said:

 

Fuck Putin, but this is kind of a wack counter-arguement. Groups like the Azov Batallion (which is a part of the Ukranian military) and Ukranian Insurgent Army are still up and running. America elected a black president, but that doesn't mean that racism is not a huge problem here anymore.

 

Not sure if this still falls under @Eric Says Trans Rights's admonishment, since it seems to be spinning off a bit, but to me that really does fit the definition of "take something that has a grain of truth and spin it into a web of lies".  The adage of half-truths/partial truths being the worst sort of lies.

 

More of a general comment than anything else than specifically anything about Ukraine.

Edited February 27, 2022 by Porthos

[Eric is Quiet]

10 minutes ago, filmlover said:

On a more frivolous note (as a break from all the distressing stuff happening in the world right now), it appears that now that we've freed Britney, is #FreeAmanda next?

 

Amanda Bynes Reportedly Files To End 8-Year Conservatorship Which Gives Her Mother Control Of Actress’ Life & Estate

Amanda Bynes Files To End 8-Year Conservatorship Over Life & Estate – Deadline

 

I hope people also put in the energy for Nichelle Nichols, who is also trapped in an abusive conservatorship from her son. All of this really, really sucks

 

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/free-britney-nichelle-nichols-conservatorship

[Maggie]

Guys, again sorry for my last comments. I have not had any sleep for the last few days and my mind went dark.