shayhiri Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 (edited) The saddest thing about this movie is how hard it tanked. Even the Shay's heart of ice melted a little and got him teary-eyed. Poor Pixar. Sic transit gloria mundi. * * Thus passes the glory of the world Edited December 10, 2015 by shayhiri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 Just what did Pixar do to make Shay hate them with such a passion? Or is Shay just trolling us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudalb Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 On Wednesday, December 09, 2015 1:25:38, moviesRus said: This is puzzling cause even middling and outright bad kids movies make decent money when the competition is low, which it is right now for family fare. Hotel Transylvania 2 even managed to do better. I think the lackluster marketing was a factor. It needed great WOM to overcome that,and it did not get it. The overall reaction was "Meh". Not terrible, but not that good either.OK,but nothing to write home about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoguy Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 (edited) All the families are waiting for STAR WARS. Edited December 11, 2015 by Mojoguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayhiri Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 1 hour ago, dudalb said: I think the lackluster marketing was a factor. It needed great WOM to overcome that,and it did not get it. The overall reaction was "Meh". Not terrible, but not that good either.OK,but nothing to write home about. Yes, I have been saying exactly the same thing for 5 months. The MEH Dinosaur. No hate - it just turned out I was right this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenstate5 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 15 hours ago, tribefan695 said: I don't have much respect for either contingent, but at least it's better marketing material than "#1 family movie" and it'll give Pete Sohn's resume a boost ...uh making the only financial failure from a studio that had a prior 20-year-long success track record is probably not going to do wonders to your career... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted December 11, 2015 Author Share Posted December 11, 2015 Rob Marshall made Nine and got punished with two big budget Disney movies. Not that I think Nine is some underappreciated classic but award recognition can definitely soften the blow of a flop. It was probably going to be a while before Sohn directed another film anyway and this indicates that at least someone with clout likes him. I imagine he'll be going back to merely animating/voice acting at Pixar for the immediate future, but I think he could still get a co directing gig and eventually do an original idea if he's successful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonwo Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 2 hours ago, tribefan695 said: Rob Marshall made Nine and got punished with two big budget Disney movies. Not that I think Nine is some underappreciated classic but award recognition can definitely soften the blow of a flop. It was probably going to be a while before Sohn directed another film anyway and this indicates that at least someone with clout likes him. I imagine he'll be going back to merely animating/voice acting at Pixar for the immediate future, but I think he could still get a co directing gig and eventually do an original idea if he's successful Nine was by TWC and not Disney but every director has a flop once in a while and if the studio thinks a film maker has potential, they'll use them again. I remember when Thunderbirds bombed, Working Title who has a deal with Universal basically lost the right to make movies without interference and every project from then on had to looked at and approved by Universal before it got greenlight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenstate5 Posted December 11, 2015 Share Posted December 11, 2015 5 hours ago, tribefan695 said: Rob Marshall made Nine and got punished with two big budget Disney movies. Not that I think Nine is some underappreciated classic but award recognition can definitely soften the blow of a flop. It was probably going to be a while before Sohn directed another film anyway and this indicates that at least someone with clout likes him. I imagine he'll be going back to merely animating/voice acting at Pixar for the immediate future, but I think he could still get a co directing gig and eventually do an original idea if he's successful Rob Marshall made a film that won a Best Picture Oscar and was a gigantic hit. Pretty sure that entitles him to a flop or two. Peter Sohn, a first-time feature director, is now the definite scapegoat for Pixar's first-ever movie where they cost their parent company some real dough. Lasseter won't fire the dude, but I'd be shocked if Sohn ever fully directs a feature-film again. Stanton and Bird are lucky to be the directors of Pixar's two biggest hits, both of which are getting sequels. They were outside their apparent comfort zone (I wouldn't fully blame marketing on either movie), and now they seek to rectify it by doing something that makes oodles of money and frees them to pursue their passions. Is it unfair? Yeah, probably. But that's Hollywood. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted December 11, 2015 Author Share Posted December 11, 2015 If you want a more Disney centric example, Don Hall worked on the dump job that was Winnie the Pooh but then was almost immediately given the Big Hero 6 green light, arguably an even bigger risk on paper. His co director's previous film wasn't exactly a big hit either Sohn's the youngest current Pixar director and is still a major asset to them outside of that. Seems to me there'd be plenty of opportunity for him to "redeem" himself. Maybe they put him in a sort of Dan Scanlon role and have him do a franchise sequel. It just seems way too premature to assume his filmmaking career is over because of one movie that didn't make a profit, especially since it does have its defenders outside of yours truly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenstate5 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Hall was a co-director for both. Sohn could see a co-directing job, but he won't be fully handed a feature film anytime soon. That's all I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) The situation with Winnie the Pooh was different. It wasn't a dump job by any means (and it has a 90% RT to prove it). Someone thought it would greatly thrive as counterprogramming to DH2... and was proven wrong. That and it was the last breath for a major Western studio produced hand drawn film. Edited December 12, 2015 by Spidey Freak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxenricfan Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 On 9/20/2015, 7:23:55, maxenricfan said: Is this supposed to be Pixar's version of the shitty ice age movies? this movie turned out to be like what jeremy jahns said while reviewing 50 shades of grey. making a shitty copy of a shitty film doesn't make a good movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 Regardless of the reasons for Winnie the Pooh flopping it ostensibly should've put Don Hall in the same director's jail you all think Sohn will be in. This movie may be disappointing critics by Pixar standards but there are still a lot of people who truly liked it. His visual style surely has a lot of potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenstate5 Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 3 hours ago, Spidey Freak said: The situation with Winnie the Pooh was different. It wasn't a dump job by any means (and it has a 90% RT to prove it). Someone thought it would greatly thrive as counterprogramming to DH2... and was proven wrong. That and it was the last breath for a major Western studio produced hand drawn film. Smaller budget, too. The project was also one of Lasseter's pet projects, so I know Johnny probably fell on the sword there too. This is all on Sohn now... he should jump ship to another studio but I'm sure he'll be fine. Maybe he's just not meant to direct films? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 We'll just have to see, I guess. I suspect views of the film itself are influencing opinions on both sides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) 3 hours ago, Spidey Freak said: The situation with Winnie the Pooh was different. It wasn't a dump job by any means (and it has a 90% RT to prove it). Someone thought it would greatly thrive as counterprogramming to DH2... and was proven wrong. That and it was the last breath for a major Western studio produced hand drawn film. Pooh had already been out in most of Europe since April and apparently had next to no promotion over there. Disney knew it was going to do better on home video so they didn't put much effort in the theatrical release. Edited December 12, 2015 by cookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AniNate Posted December 12, 2015 Author Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) The point remains that they gave him a much bigger budget for a lesser known source material for his next film (and Chris Williams' Bolt wasn't really a big hit either). Doing a flop for your first movie isn't necessarily a career-killer, and the whole Pixar braintrust takes responsibility for this as well; for putting faith in Sohn to finish it out and produce a successful movie (and from my perspective it's perfectly understandable that they were satisfied with the product they saw). Edited December 12, 2015 by tribefan695 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Sad to see this disappoint so much. I saw it yesterday, and it was brilliant. Yes, the story is as simple as they get, but it had a LOT of heart, and the animation was stunning. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Back when I was expecting Peanuts to tank, it was for the same reasons as Winnie the Pooh. Most of that purely innocent and whimsical kind of stuff just doesn't fly with today's kids sadly. I guess Peanuts has managed to remain relevant for longer despite being cut from the same cloth as Pooh, but I definitely don't think anyone can be blamed for Winnie the Pooh's failure. They made the best Pooh movie they possibly could have and the audiences simply weren't having it. Nothing would've changed its fate besides a complete revamp of what Pooh is, and that could've come with its own set of problems and backlash. As for TGD, I really do believe it just got caught in a bad release spot between all the animated hits from June through October this year and SW sucking up all the attention the last few months. If it's not because of that, then it's because of the whole "kids don't want cute dinosaurs" thing. Maybe a combo of the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
