riczhang Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Fair enough...but the point about IM2 having "bad" WOM is completely false. There was no such thing. The estimates and expectations were simply off.What social circles have you been hanging out in? I don't mean it in a bad way, just genuinely curious, because I distinctly remember it having bad WOM among everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riczhang Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 IM2 was an atrocious film.The first bit was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 IM2 isn't atrocious, that's ridiculous. Its third act was much better than the first, but it isn't as charming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riczhang Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 IM2 isn't atrocious, that's ridiculous. Its third act was much better than the first, but it isn't as charming.IM2's 3rd act, dragged on, and on. It was horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixiesvision Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 All of this panic just because of what notfabio says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 The first bit was good. It was so boring and forgettable that I honestly can't remember a single scene from the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishstick Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Most people are liking it. Look at yahoo, RT, cinemascore.Liking isn`t enough. It needs love. TA is what it is because people loved it. TDK was what it was because people loved it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Nevada Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 IM2 was so boring and messy that I didnt even watch it all the way through. And you all know what I think of BR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riczhang Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 It was so boring and forgettable that I honestly can't remember a single scene from the movie.At least admit the Monaco car racing bit was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 IM2 isn't atrocious, that's ridiculous. Its third act was much better than the first, but it isn't as charming.Yes it is.One of the most boring films I have EVER seen. Just horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTF Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) I'm not wrong any more than you are right. The effect is there, but not to the extent you think it is. The film was over hyped from the beginning. The shooting is just one reason the numbers are down.If it only does $155-160m ow then that's a huge impact in my book, to the tune of about $25-30m. And the shooting is the only reason. The reasons you are giving would be why its legs and overall dom # would be down, not ow. Edited July 21, 2012 by FTF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmoore Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I disagree with that. Batman was quite loved during its release. But Returns was still able to surpass 89's admissions in OW fairly handily.BR = $45 mil; B = $40 mil three years prior. I wouldn't call that handily. And the reviews for Batman were good - not great. Certainly not the universal acclaim of TDK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackO Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 At least admit the Monaco car racing bit was good.That was only good part of the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 At least admit the Monaco car racing bit was good.I remember the Whiplash part was good...but that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nAlkaline Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I would say the nearly 200,000 users on IMDB who voted the film as an average of 7.1 (and undoubtedly higher on OW as is standard) means the film was generally well-liked...if people can point to TDKR's current IMDB score as proof of incredible WOM, I think my inference is valid. I personally thought it was an average film but I don't think that was the general thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riczhang Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 That was only good part of the movie. :thinking:Yup, pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Nevada Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I swear, I dont remember anything from IM2 except I was bored 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sims Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Liking isn`t enough. It needs love. TA is what it is because people loved it. TDK was what it was because people loved it.This is a pointless argument if legs turn out to be better because of the deflated OW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I would say the nearly 200,000 users on IMDB who voted the film as an average of 7.1 (and undoubtedly higher on OW as is standard) means the film was generally well-liked...if people can point to TDKR's current IMDB score as proof of incredible WOM, I think my inference is valid. I personally thought it was an average film but I don't think that was the general thought.7.1 is very average on IMDB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmoore Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Batman certainly was as well received as TDK. I was alive in 89 and remember it well. It kicked the shit out of Last Crusade. Batman Returns even had a record opening weekend when it came out, just like TDKR could of had if the shooting hadn't happened and there was no 3D to contend with. But TDKR is going to experience all the things that Returns did.Sorry, I thought you were arguing that TDKR was bound to follow the same fate as BR regardless of the shooting or not. Or are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
