xieh tie Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poweranimals Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 13 hours ago, NCsoft said: China box office right now is just a horror show... Never would I have imagined just a few years ago when everything was on the up, that we would witness this drastic decline (and to think just last year we still had the highest grosser of all time). I hope things turn around, even if it's just to an extent. Honestly, I'm fine with this trajectory continuing until they make some changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borobudur Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 23 hours ago, porginchina said: November's on pace to be just as bad!! Currently ¥210 million month-to-date without any noteworthy releases on deck; maybe Detective Conan will do okay next week but the Wikipedia tells me it released April in Japan, meaning piracy will take a toll. One of the huge problems here is a lack of new product— WAY worse than the problems facing the US/Canada. 扫黑行动 (The Tipping Point) just became the first release of any note since National Day kicked off on Sept. 30 (and National Day was historically weak). It's honestly astonishing how awful China's 2022 has been at the box office. I believe China is the only market where 2022 box office is actually dropping from 2021. China lost >$600m of box office in 2021 for their MCU denial. A rough estimate about how much these movies can get if proper release was given. SC - $75m Eternals -$50m Venom - $200m NWH - $300m For 2022, the potential BO loss isn't any better and A2 is denied, the loss can go up to $1bn. DS2 - $100m Thor 4 - $75m TGM - $50m BA- $75m BP2- $100m On 11/13/2022 at 9:18 AM, Gavin Feng said: Someone already said, they're fascist So the worshipping of XI isn't fascist? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porginchina Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 In a weekend where Wakanda Forever took ~$180 million in the States, here in China, 扫黑行动 (The Tipping Point) opened to ¥62.75 million, or ~$8.9 million, in a commanding first place with a ~60% market share. The "second-largest" box office market in the world, showing its might. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Feng Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Borobudur said: So the worshipping of XI isn't fascist? Exactly what I'm saying. Superhero fans have very similar behavior pattern. "Kevin Feige is god and never make mistake. Any problem on Marvel movies and shows come from director and writer." Edited November 14, 2022 by Gavin Feng 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Gavin Feng said: Exactly what I'm saying. Superhero fans have very similar behavior pattern. "Kevin Feige is god and never make mistake. Any problem on Marvel movies and shows come from director and writer." Chinese fans have seen the light. Western fans should learn. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Feng Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, charlie Jatinder said: Chinese fans have seen the light. Western fans should learn. How? Even you believe Xi is a god? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie Jatinder Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, Gavin Feng said: How? Even you believe Xi is a god? I was referring to Kevin Feige thing. Besides we have Modi, how much worse could Xi be, if at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porginchina Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Probably grasping at straws after the absolute misery that has been 2022 at the Chinese box office what with Covid and lockdowns and censorship, but I'm wondering whether we'll see a few more Hollywood movies sneak into Chinese theaters following the Biden-Xi summit in Bali today and what appears to be the partial resumption of high-level US-China dialogue; would be an easy way to signal openness to America and would have the side effect of stemming some of the financial bleeding that domestic Chinese theaters have suffered over the past few years. (okay so I really want to see Avatar: The Way of Water in theaters so there's a good chance I'm just deluding myself… side note: we're now close enough to Avatar's worldwide release that an announcement of its Chinese release, IF it gets a Chinese release, should be coming sooner rather than later) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasNicole Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Maybe he knows something we don't (yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The GOAT Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 6 hours ago, porginchina said: Probably grasping at straws after the absolute misery that has been 2022 at the Chinese box office what with Covid and lockdowns and censorship, but I'm wondering whether we'll see a few more Hollywood movies sneak into Chinese theaters following the Biden-Xi summit in Bali today and what appears to be the partial resumption of high-level US-China dialogue; would be an easy way to signal openness to America and would have the side effect of stemming some of the financial bleeding that domestic Chinese theaters have suffered over the past few years. (okay so I really want to see Avatar: The Way of Water in theaters so there's a good chance I'm just deluding myself… side note: we're now close enough to Avatar's worldwide release that an announcement of its Chinese release, IF it gets a Chinese release, should be coming sooner rather than later) I can't imagine the BOXOFFICE being on the top 1000 things for them to pay attention They simply do not care. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG10 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 5:44 AM, Borobudur said: I believe China is the only market where 2022 box office is actually dropping from 2021. China lost >$600m of box office in 2021 for their MCU denial. A rough estimate about how much these movies can get if proper release was given. SC - $75m Eternals -$50m Venom - $200m NWH - $300m For 2022, the potential BO loss isn't any better and A2 is denied, the loss can go up to $1bn. DS2 - $100m Thor 4 - $75m TGM - $50m BA- $75m BP2- $100m So the worshipping of XI isn't fascist? Thanks for using realistic estimates, I still remember some users talking about 150/200M for Shang Chi and Black Adam, 500/600M for No Way Home and other absurdities... On the other hand I think that Dr Strange could have grossed more while Top Gun Maverick wouldn't have been released even in 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porginchina Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 12 hours ago, The GOAT said: I can't imagine the BOXOFFICE being on the top 1000 things for them to pay attention They simply do not care. For the government as a whole, absolutely not; for the divisions within the government dedicated to regulating Chinese media (including movies), absolutely yes. They have been flexible on the foreign movie quota in the past to meet box office targets (although those clearly no longer matter); more pertinently, China has timed announcements to political events (i.e., Shanghai Disneyland was announced immediately after an Obama visit to China in 2009). So, yeah, I'm probably deluding myself, but there are faint glimmers of reasoning for hope. Maybe. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xieh tie Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 its official, The movie will be released next Chinese new year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porginchina Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 50 minutes ago, xieh tie said: its official, The movie will be released next Chinese new year Should be interesting to see how this one performs. Should open enormously, but we haven't seen many successful sequels to a Chinese mega-hit yet (not counting anthology films)… Monster Hunt 2 and Detective Chinatown 3 got tanked with toxic word of mouth and Wolf Warrior 3 simply never happened (The Battle at Lake Changjin II, I guess, although I'm not sure how much that counts as a sequel given that my understanding is they went in without a fully developed plan, shot too much footage, and decided to split the movie in two). From the footage I've seen so far, my hopes are low for Wandering Earth 2; looks visually drab and dour, and there's almost no way that warping the plot to include Wu Jing's character despite his death in the first part will end well. Plus, who knows what'll be going on with zero-Covid and lockdowns in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXRDJisDoctorDoom Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 hours ago, xieh tie said: its official, The movie will be released next Chinese new year $440M OW / $750M Total 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPLC Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 When a little over 3 weeks before the world release we still have no news, we're not going to lie to ourselves we all know that unfortunately A2 will never be released in China Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Jane Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 38 minutes ago, LPLC said: When a little over 3 weeks before the world release we still have no news, we're not going to lie to ourselves we all know that unfortunately A2 will never be released in China 12.15 in China will have offical report before 11.22 Go to watch Avatar 2 Os thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
porginchina Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 16 minutes ago, Bruce said: 12.15 in China will have offical report before 11.22 Go to watch Avatar 2 Os thread As ever— and especially this year— with China, absolutely nothing's official until it's official. But if those rumors are true I'm going to be so happy/might consider ordering myself some blue facepaint via Taobao so I can do a midnight screening in full Pandoran spirit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Jane Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, porginchina said: As ever— and especially this year— with China, absolutely nothing's official until it's official. But if those rumors are true I'm going to be so happy/might consider ordering myself some blue facepaint via Taobao so I can do a midnight screening in full Pandoran spirit. I have friend who actually working in the censorship department I am not just hearing the internet hype Few month ago is also me first post the thread that Minions 2 will return,you think why I know that before the offical report? Edited November 16, 2022 by Bruce 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...