MovieMan89

It's interesting how Fassbender seems to be closer to box office poison than any kind of draw considering I really don't know what's to dislike about him? You'd think he'd be a bigger star.

Gah, why does this one continue to be so overrated? I swear all people ever remember about it is that Dalmatian puppies are adorable and Cruella is an awesomely over the top villain caricature. Take those two things away and it literally has nothing at all going for it in my book though. It is an absolute chore to sit through as an adult, and I don't think kids today are fans of it either. Beating Lady and the Tramp is frustrating for me, can't understand that.

That was a fantastic Sat hold for Moana and given that, I think Sun has potential to be better than the estimate. I just wish it could have hit 90m for the 5 day, then I would be confident in 300. As it is, it will really need to be another Zootopia in terms of WOM to get there with all the competition, which I don't think is impossible given the quality and reactions to the film so far, but hard.

Yeah, it's entirely possible BFG is his first true money loser, which is outright amazing after so many years.

I am shocked the Chinese would have such interest in an anime. Highly unusual to their movie tastes.

She needs to star in a Josephine Baker biopic.

I just hope he really focuses on strengthening the existing characters and giving us interesting new ones. The reason the first one gets dumped on a lot these days is because it didn't give the audiences any characters to really hold onto or remember. So everyone nitpicks on the conventional plot that otherwise wouldn't have bothered most.

Hoping for the impossible and a Sat increase for Moana. I've yet to see a poor reaction to it, I can't fathom why it wouldn't be a WOM beast.

Second viewing was worthwhile, however I feel the first half moves very slowly once you've seen it already. Enjoyed it more the first time, understood more the second time.

All I know is they'll need to use a savvy marketing technique to get the hype rolling, cause I don't see the hype just being there after all these years. Avatar's IMAX preview day was brilliant and when the train took off for that.

I don't either, but an extra 20 could be trying for them. Zootopia was fine though.

300 feels more and more likely. I'd say the biggest thing it has going against it is a runtime 20 mins longer than the average animated film. However, considering most animated films have 5-10 min shorts attached these days, I think kids have gotten more used to 100 mins excluding previews. And Zootopia was the same length, and Moana and Dory were both around 100. So the standard seems to be moving closer to 100 anyways.

Trying to re-emulate the first movie as much as possible is basically their best bet with this, imo. I mean it will make the movie completely unnecessary, but it's going to be that regardless since it's a movie that never should have been greenlit. However, the first Cars has a certain charm, and I think it's a good movie for kids. They should just go for that again. Any attempt at maturity or depth is going to fail miserably with this franchise.

No need to be smug about it Baumer. You surely know that the theaters get a decent cut of the gross, whatever it is exactly on any given film we will never know. I wrote a paper on the situation a few years back and all the research is very conflicting, with studios claiming that the split is around 50/50, while most theater managers will say it's more like 30% for their share. And yeah I'm inclined to believe them more than studio heads. But we know it's enough though that barely making back a budget WW is nowhere near a good thing for a film today.

We should keep in mind though that the truth is we don't know exactly how much theaters get on any given movie. The percentage is probably constantly in flux, 50/50 is just a good rule of thumb so we go by it. But yeah, BFG for sure wasn't profitable or close to it.

Sorry if it came off smug, wasn't trying to. Just meant that movies with a christmas and winter themes in particular have always been released during the holiday because they just feel out of place other times of year. Then again, you have places like Cali where it's basically summer all year long so maybe to them it's a non-factor.

More often than not movies that heavily emphasize an atmosphere of a certain season do best in that respective season. Frozen in the summer would have never worked nearly as well.

I will always wonder though what Moana could have done next summer? It's a barren looking summer for animation and the movie fits perfectly with that season. Maybe they really could have had Frozen 2.0 on their hands at the box office.

Yeah, anything remotely resembling Frozen's late legs are completely out. That was just way too perfect of timing in terms of competition and tying in perfectly with the xmas holiday. That's why I never thought 400 could be in play, or even 350.

22.5 would definitely make me feel a little better. That would be a 128% increase vs Frozen's 143% so not a huge difference.

Right, but the point being 100m less than Frozen for a film that is absolutely up to the highest of WDAS standards certainly seemed logical after that OD. And maybe it will still happen. Frozen's early legs are far from extraordinary, Moana has a chance to beat it there.

Disney spent hundreds of millions creating snowstorms nationwide that holiday, and as such actually took a loss on Frozen. What a bomb.

300 seemed perfectly logical to me after it beat Frozen's OD and kicked its ass in critical reception. The amazing WOM and legs could still be yet to come, this certainly doesn't mean there's no chance of that. Frozen actually had a rough drop in its second weekend, so hopefully Moana avoids that.

That's highly unlikely. With FB's second weekend the highest I could see it going is 220. If Moana doesn't at least hit that then I don't know what to say.

WHAT IS THAT MOANA NUMBER??? Omfg, if WOM is not amazing I swear..