MovieMan89

I think Cars 3 is an epic box office failure waiting to happen for them. Marketing is going to have to be amazing for that one, or I can't see why all of Cars 2 audience returns. Not to mention the original batch of toddlers who may have loved the first will be teens, and I doubt Cars is like Toy Story in its ability to appeal to those kids that grew up on it when they're older. This could be good news for Coco though, since if Pixar can only pull off one hit the years they have two I'd think Coco has the better shot at being the hit.

That will suck, since I think China could really help in this case. I feel like it's maybe the only market where it has a chance to be way more appealing than IO.

I'm glad I at least threw it in at #15 at the last minute when I realized Heart of the Sea was gonna mega flop. But I only gave this 75m.

I'd say the second weekend still puts it on track for 120-130m. It will need holds like Life of Pi to get to 150, and that movie had insane legs, never dropping more than 35% from its third weekend all the way through its 17th. It actually increased a few weekends in January and February. So yeah, no easy feat for this.

Agreed. If anyone feels Disney's "wrath" for TGD it will be him, not the studio on the whole.

Beating ABL will require phenomenal holds these next 3 weekends through NY. Even then it still might not. It's certainly not off to a good start.

After seeing Spotlight I'm not really sold that can win BP. Definitely not sold on Inarritu pulling back to back BP's either. So if this is on par with his last 3 films I could see it being the frontrunner due to a relatively weak slate and DOR not getting his recognition yet.

Between Nolan wanting all his female characters dead and Tarantino wanting all his characters to die in gruesomely horrible scenarios, that combo would be a feminist's nightmare waiting to happen.

I'm almost inclined to call Krampus the biggest over-performer since SOC . Seriously though, I think that was the last time anything at the box office has over-performed my expectations so much in this long drought of under-performers. Opened about 3x higher than I thought. Horrid, horrid weekend for everything else. Spotlight, Brooklyn, and The Night Before (wtf?) are the only ones to have good holds. Poor to awful for everything else. TGD is screwed beyond saving now.

Yeah, I thought Peanuts was getting like 4m this weekend, but only did 3.5. So probably not gonna happen now. Still, you never know with animation and the holidays. Could have crazy jumps over Xmas/New Years.

Question 3 on SOTM 3 is Peanuts total gross minus Epic's total gross vs Spectre's total gross minus QoS' total gross, which is higher. That's looking to go right down to the wire most likely, with both probably being within 30-35m difference. Too close to call yet. Remember, Peanuts late legs will be much better and it will play much longer than Spectre given its nature as an animated film. Will probably still be grossing when the game ends, whereas Spectre will have been done for at least a solid month. Peanuts could still go as high as 140.

So isn't that all the more reason for this to do well then? I'd say at least 100 seems likely.

So again, Sohn will probably get slapped on the wrist and not be allowed in the director seat at Pixar for awhile. I seriously doubt it affects the studio on the whole much and their budgets. Especially for all the sequels they're currently making. TGD is just gonna make them more in favor of those if anything.

I don't know if he on his own had that much to do with it. None of his other films have hit 100. I think it was the combined draw power of him and Ice Cube, and Ice Cube popularity feels bigger than ever after SOC.

They acted accordingly how? When Tron barely broke even they acted by giving JC the same huge budget. When JC was a big flop they acted by giving TLR the same huge budget. When TLR was a big flop they acted by giving Tomorrowland the same huge budget. When Tomorrowland was a big flop they acted by giving The Jungle Book the same huge budget. The only thing they ever do when their new tentpoles flop is not make a sequel. They still don't do anything about their huge budgets though for the films they are making. Pixar has two full decades of nothing but successes for them. I highly doubt anything more than Sohn maybe not directing for quite awhile happens because of TGD.

It looks just as bad as the first, and that was a huge hit. So I don't think we're lucky enough to have this one do poorly yet. That's what Ride Along 3 will be for.

Who knew though right? Movies like this are almost always sub 35% with the critics, they probably figured that would be the case here too.

I still got teaser 2 with Spectre. My theaters seem to do that all the time. Attach an old trailer with a movie that's supposed to have the new one.

Unless it does become a trend with Pixar, Disney isn't going to care much about a write off for TGD. They are profiting obscene amounts of money from their films overall that I'm sure any other studio only dreams about (even Uni). It's why 200m+ budgets get awarded to literally everything they make, just like they're handing out free candy. And considering TFA could literally make them $2 billion+ richer, it would take a ton of 200m+ flops for them to even start feeling it just off of TFA's grosses alone. They are truly a behemoth in the film industry at this point. It would take years and years of one horrible failure after the other for them to start feeling it. All that will happen as a result of TGD's failure is we will never see a sequel, if we ever even would have anyways.

There's definitely a high chance this is snubbed of the animated nom at the Oscars now. The chance was always high, imo, since I never saw two Pixar's getting in as any easy feat. But now with the subpar critical reception and box office results, they will really have an easy excuse to ignore it. I just pray it's not Minions, Home, or HT2 that takes its place. That would be pretty cringe-worthy. I think The Prophet is gonna be what this gets snubbed for though.

Well that certainly wouldn't bode well DOM for the actual Ice Age 5 coming. The theme has been done a lot in CGI animation, I'll give you that. I don't think it looked like any of those movies though, it's just maybe people didn't want to see another animated movie with that kind of setting. And there has to be some dino burnout now after how huge JW was over the summer. I'd imagine especially among the female audience, who quite frankly probably never found JW all that appealing to start with and now they're completely uninterested in another dino flick. KFP2 suffered from little girls not caring about it, so that could be exactly what happened with TGD too. You could even argue that's why Cars 2 suffered at the BO too.

I got bombarded with teaser 2 attached to movies all summer. And I've seen it recently too in theaters, after the trailer was released.

To this day I have only ever seen teaser 2 for SW in theaters. Never teaser 1 or the trailer, and I see a lot of movies. Annoying too, since teaser 2 is by far the weakest of the three, imo.

Unfortunately it could be a trend though if they don't deliver with all those sequels. Cars 2 and MU showed that Pixar fans are not really there for mediocre franchise continuations. Dory will have enough hype to open big, but I could see a poor multi if it's only on the MU level of quality. They need to ace it.

Geez, I really thought TGD would at least not drop anymore than 50%. That would be a horrid hold off of such a poor opening. After a full two decades of undeniable successes, Pixar really might have their first unprofitable film with this one. Really don't get it.