MovieMan89 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 It's like Me Against the World for MovieMan89 in here That's the problem when the whole forum loves something. They can't see objectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark 33Legend of the Sith Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 the lack of competition did in fact help Frozen hugely. I don't understand whats wrong in saying that. Any numbers for Ah and WOWS? Nothing wrong with it at all. But saying it has performed "merely well" is like saying Despicable Me 2's performance was simply serviceable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druv10 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Huh? The first time Frozen held significantly better than Tangled was the weekend of Dec 20th, the weekend leading up to Xmas. Before that it was holding only mildly better, often the same. Except Frozen was making 2 to 3 times as much as Tangled so for it drop better from the get go is WOM. Clearly, it was helped by weak competition but great WOM has played a strong part in the holds during holidays as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Stop being close-minedTangled vs FrozenSecond weekend drop: -56% vs -53%Third Weeked drop: -33.7% vs -28.6%Fourth weekend drop: -38.8% vs -13%Frozen held better than Tangled on every single weekend BEFORE christmas Thank you for proving my point! Frozen's holds were only mildly better until Dec 20th (the 3rd weekend). Exactly what I've been saying this whole time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark 33Legend of the Sith Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Stop being close-minedTangled vs FrozenSecond weekend drop: -56% vs -53%Third Weeked drop: -33.7% vs -28.6%Fourth weekend drop: -38.8% vs -13%Frozen held better than Tangled on every single weekend BEFORE Christmas With much bigger numbers to start with as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spizzer Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Looking at multiplier from OD: By day 5 (first Sunday), Frozen already had a 6.6% better multiplier than Tangled. Day 12 (2nd Sunday), it was 8.6% ahead. Day 19 (3rd Sunday) it was 11.6% ahead. Day 26 (4th Sunday) it was 17.3% ahead. Day 33 (5th Sunday) it was 35.0% ahead. It had been gaining on Tangled since the beginning, prior to the holidays even starting. In fact, it had been doing so within its opening 5 day period itself. This last week was clearly the biggest jump, however, and that will be balanced a bit by this week, as Tangled took the largest advantage of the holiday period in this upcoming week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 (edited) Huh? The first time Frozen held significantly better than Tangled was the weekend of Dec 20th, the weekend leading up to Xmas. Before that it was holding only mildly better, often the same. Mildly better with MUCH LARGER NUMBERS. It's much easier to have good holds when your weekends are sub 20m unlike Frozen's weekends. (Which had a much larger opening and has been dealing with blockbuster type numbers, not typical animated fair type numbers) I understand lack of competition has helped (I never said it didnt), but thinking Frozen's word of mouth is only decent is foolish, especially when you look at actual statistics (and their relativity) compared to your stretches (not lies, but major stretches). Also, the fact that nearly everybody on a board that would typically argue TDKR vs. everything is in near universal agreement of love for Frozen (And the people they know) says something about its word of mouth. Edited December 31, 2013 by The Panda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druv10 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 What's wrong with saying it is half of this board loves Frozen and is wearing their rose colored glasses, so they can't stand the fact that there's something other than WOM in play with their precious box office run. Nothing wrong with that but to also say Tangled would have made the same gross as Frozen or ROTG would have made 200M+ with this release date is beyond laughable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Nothing wrong with that but to also say Tangled would have made the same gross as Frozen or ROTG would have made 200M+ with this release date is beyond laughable. Except it isn't. No kid's competition during Xmas is a marvelous thing. We'll see it again with Museum next year, quote me on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmasterclay Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Frozen has had an absolutely special, magical, and spectacular run that isn't even comparable to Tangled, which was just a just a pretty good animation hit. Frozen is a megahit that is doing 330+. Why can't we one time let sleeping dogs lie and let a film do awesome without finding a reason to shit on it? P.S. I have no biased support for Frozen, I haven't even seen it- animated films are not my thing at all. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Except it isn't. No kid's competition during Xmas is a marvelous thing. We'll see it again with Museum next year, quote me on it. Museum 3 is going gross less than Museum 2, quote me on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 DOS Estimate from BOM $6,510,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark 33Legend of the Sith Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 One thing to keep in mind as well with Tangled comparisons. Tangled had FANTASTIC word of mouth. I feel like with these comparisons people are forgetting how great the WOM was at that time. The fact that Frozen held better, with much bigger numbers to start out with is phenomenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Museum 3 is going gross less than Museum 2, quote me on that. Only if Into the Woods is really appealing to kids, and the premise sounds more adult oriented despite being a Disney flick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Frozen has had an absolutely special, magical, and spectacular run that isn't even comparable to Tangled, which was just a just a pretty good animation hit. Frozen is a megahit that is doing 330+. Why can't we one time let sleeping dogs lie and let a film do awesome without finding a reason to shit on it? P.S. I have no biased support for Frozen, I haven't even seen it- animated films are not my thing at all. Please WATCH IT! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 One thing to keep in mind as well with Tangled comparisons. Tangled had FANTASTIC word of mouth. I feel like with these comparisons people are forgetting how great the WOM was at that time. The fact that Frozen held better, with much bigger numbers to start out with is phenomenal. That's my issue here though. People are downplaying Tangled's WOM and overplaying Frozen's. Tangled did have fantastic WOM. To say Frozen had Tangled's WOM means I'm saying Frozen's WOM was fantastic too. But as I pointed out in the Frozen thread, kid's movies besides Tangled grossed over half a billion domestically that Holiday season. Kid's movies besides Frozen have grossed over $20m this Holiday season. How could that possibly not be having an impact? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zackzack Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Orgasmic Monday indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 Only if Into the Woods is really appealing to kids, and the premise sounds more adult oriented despite being a Disney flick. Annie is one competition Hobbit 3 is again competition (the other two have appealed to families so will the third) Big Hero 6 and Home will be holdovers similar to Rise of the Guardians and Wreck-It Ralph Exodus (Depending on its rating) always could given its Biblical themes There'll probably be some more announced later through the year. Even then, Night at the Museum 3 won't get close to Frozen's overall gross, competition or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yjs Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 man I wish those people from Disney would recognize how hard we defend Frozen's BO run and we get even 0.1% of its gross each. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Panda Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 That's my issue here though. People are downplaying Tangled's WOM and overplaying Frozen's. Tangled did have fantastic WOM. To say Frozen had Tangled's WOM means I'm saying Frozen's WOM was fantastic too. But as I pointed out in the Frozen thread, kid's movies besides Tangled grossed over half a billion domestically that Holiday season. Kid's movies besides Frozen have grossed over $20m this Holiday season. How could that possibly not be having an impact? NOBODY HAS SAID LACKLUSTER COMPETITION HASN'T PLAYED AN IMPACT. We have said it again and again, we are just saying WoM is Frozen's highlight for why it's doing so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
