lab276 Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 If an animated Movie makes almost half of its international BO in Australia and UK, there is something fundamentally wrong with it. I don't believe there is any language barrier what so ever. It must be a cultural thing of some sort. I have played with my Lego-stones (some time ago) and Batman is my favorite SH (if I have any), but I would never consider watching such a movie in a cinema (or at home for that matter). For me it is simply too childish. A movie that makes 3/4th of its BO in 4 English speaking countries is ridiculous.I think it's cool actually, not every film has to be for the whole world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndustriousAngel Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 If an animated Movie makes almost half of its international BO in Australia and UK, there is something fundamentally wrong with it. I don't believe there is any language barrier what so ever. It must be a cultural thing of some sort. I have played with my Lego-stones (some time ago) and Batman is my favorite SH (if I have any), but I would never consider watching such a movie in a cinema (or at home for that matter). For me it is simply too childish. A movie that makes 3/4th of its BO in 4 English speaking countries is ridiculous. I think that's a real marketing problem here - in Germany & Austria, this was marketed as a kid's film, and it's really hard finding an evening show for it (I had to catch a show at 16:30 last week and today I'm re-watching it at 16:00) so they willfully shut out a big possible demographic. Which is really crazy because at its heart this is not a kid's movie, even if many scenes will please children - in fact, it's one of the best movies of the last years for every age, point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edroger3 Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 I can understand that Lego totally bombed in Japan or SK (no so-know brand, dubbing problems, direct competition with Frozen), but is hard to know why it did so bad in the other european countries. In UK Lego grossed 85% of Frozen, in Germany, France, Italy, Spain and Russia it grossed about 20/25% of Disney's animated. The difference is too high to be explained only with marketing problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted May 4, 2014 Share Posted May 4, 2014 (edited) The relative success of the Lego-movie (compared to Frozen) is a language thing and not related to the distribution of the toy around the world. Table: LEGO’s market share in construction toys, 2012 Country % Sweden 82 Russia 80 Netherlands 80 US 80 UK 70 Germany 70 Brazil 68 Poland 62 Mexico 55 Japan 50 Spain 45 South Korea 45 China 11 India 10 World (in average) 57% Table BO Lego as a percentage of Frozen: Sweden: 25.3% Russia: 18.3% Netherlands: 42.2% US: 63.2% UK: 84.7% Germany: 20.0% Brazil: 26,0% Poland: 53.6% Mexico: 38.9% Japan: 1.5% (and still falling.. will definitely be under 1% in the end) Spain: 33.1% South Korea: 1.4% China: ?? India: 43.0% World average: 40.0% Edited May 4, 2014 by Rudolf 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edroger3 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 The relative success of the Lego-movie (compared to Frozen) is a language thing and not related to the distribution of the toy around the world. Table: LEGO’s market share in construction toys, 2012 Country % Sweden 82 Russia 80 Netherlands 80 US 80 UK 70 Germany 70 Brazil 68 Poland 62 Mexico 55 Japan 50 Spain 45 South Korea 45 China 11 India 10 World (in average) 57% Table BO Lego as a percentage of Frozen: Sweden: 25.3% Russia: 18.3% Netherlands: 42.2% US: 63.2% UK: 84.7% Germany: 20.0% Brazil: 26,0% Poland: 53.6% Mexico: 38.9% Japan: 1.5% (and still falling.. will definitely be under 1% in the end) Spain: 33.1% South Korea: 1.4% China: ?? India: 43.0% World average: 40.0% Frozen vs Lego Movie Country Lego Movie Frozen Diff Diff% Australia $26.390.950 $31.058.116 $-4.667.166 84,97% United Kingdom $55.433.868 $65.335.109 $-9.901.241 84,85% Czech Republic $ 1.253.352 $ 1.558.657 $ -305.305 80,41% Hong Kong $ 1.919.875 $ 2.579.735 $ -659.860 74,42% Finland $ 1.808.878 $ 2.513.372 $ -704.494 71,97% New Zealand $ 3.112.063 $ 4.429.815 $-1.317.752 70,25% Iceland $ 266.868 $ 380.589 $ -113.721 70,12% Singapore $ 2.459.282 $ 3.841.382 $-1.382.100 64,02% Croatia $ 285.321 $ 502.739 $ -217.418 56,75% Poland $ 3.937.105 $ 7.350.813 $-3.413.708 53,56% Israel $ 1.125.513 $ 2.337.875 $-1.212.362 48,14% Slovakia $ 581.463 $ 1.218.850 $ -637.387 47,71% Philippines $ 1.161.725 $ 2.690.603 $-1.528.878 43,18% India $ 262.160 $ 610.925 $ -348.765 42,91% Netherlands $ 4.429.895 $10.506.131 $-6.076.236 42,16% United Arab Emirates $ 1.292.560 $ 3.141.631 $-1.849.071 41,14% Ecuador $ 972.545 $ 2.479.144 $-1.506.599 39,23% East Africa $ 35.825 $ 91.624 $ -55.799 39,10% Mexico $10.004.633 $25.732.202 $-15.727.569 38,88% Hungary $ 791.334 $ 2.049.003 $-1.257.669 38,62% Denmark $ 2.909.554 $ 7.765.713 $-4.856.159 37,47% Malaysia $ 1.331.532 $ 3.618.668 $-2.287.136 36,80% Chile $ 1.868.661 $ 5.232.894 $-3.364.233 35,71% South Africa $ 949.538 $ 2.659.920 $-1.710.382 35,70% Peru $ 1.211.817 $ 3.410.542 $-2.198.725 35,53% Belgium $ 2.644.546 $ 7.919.417 $-5.274.871 33,39% Other $ 9.172.170 $27.603.914 $-18.431.744 33,23% Spain $ 7.176.421 $21.654.290 $-14.477.869 33,14% Lebanon $ 197.773 $ 606.538 $ -408.765 32,61% Austria $ 1.636.233 $ 5.289.644 $-3.653.411 30,93% Norway $ 2.239.641 $ 7.526.458 $-5.286.817 29,76% Thailand $ 419.202 $ 1.454.495 $-1.035.293 28,82% Greece $ 610.618 $ 2.178.786 $-1.568.168 28,03% Portugal $ 1.086.024 $ 3.900.900 $-2.814.876 27,84% Bolivia $ 223.513 $ 809.530 $- 586.017 27,61% Germany $12.607.591 $48.273.440 $-35.665.849 26,12% Brazil $ 5.652.903 $21.724.734 $-16.071.831 26,02% Sweden $ 2.444.610 $ 9.639.997 $-7.195.387 25,36% Slovenia $ 111.443 $ 447.119 $ -335.676 24,92% France $11.649.032 $46.942.953 $-35.293.921 24,82% Uruguay $ 146.210 $ 675.917 $ -529.707 21,63% Venezuela $ 2.361.124 $12.514.904 $-10.153.780 18,87% Colombia $ 1.169.671 $ 6.268.454 $-5.098.783 18,66% Russia - CIS $ 6.108.299 $33.436.103 $-27.327.804 18,27% Italy $ 4.689.551 $26.421.884 $-21.732.333 17,75% Argentina $ 2.034.520 $11.553.369 $-9.518.849 17,61% Serbia & Mont. $ 74.019 $ 425.123 $ -351.104 17,41% Turkey $ 839.124 $ 5.440.920 $-4.601.796 15,42% Egypt $ 101.636 $ 700.621 $ -598.985 14,51% Ukraine $ 316.927 $ 2.866.139 $-2.549.212 11,06% Bulgaria $ 93.527 $ 1.392.666 $-1.299.139 6,72% South Korea $ 1.054.276 $76.695.633 $-75.641.357 1,37% Japan $ 1.743.079 $143.200.000 $-141.456.921 1,22% China $48.240.000 $-48.240.000 0,00% $204.400.000 $768.900.000 $-564.500.000 26,58% 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 nice statistic Do you also have more detailed usage statistic for lego toys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edroger3 Posted May 8, 2014 Share Posted May 8, 2014 nice statistic Do you also have more detailed usage statistic for lego toys? Unfortunately I'm not familiar with toys market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigley Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 No update this week for LEGO's foreign BO. It had earned $3.3M last week. How hard could it have dropped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hernan Gonzalez Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 No update this week for LEGO's foreign BO. It had earned $3.3M last week. How hard could it have dropped?51% in Australia. A little bit more in Germany, according to the estimates posted on the german thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigley Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 $206.4M is the new OS total, according to (who else?) BOM. $2M this past week (Mon-Sun). ~$0.5M in US last weekend. I think it's a safe bet that it won't reach Wreck-It Ralph's $471.2M. However, the budget for The LEGO Movie was considerably lower ($60 vs $165M), so you can argue it was more successful anyway. Also, there's already a sequel to The LEGO Movie scheduled for Summer 2017. As for Wreck-It Ralph, on the other hand, there's no sequel in the works. So comparisons end there, unless a miracle happens and we get Wreck-It Ralph 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tong kosong Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 $206.4M is the new OS total, according to (who else?) BOM. $2M this past week (Mon-Sun). ~$0.5M in US last weekend. I think it's a safe bet that it won't reach Wreck-It Ralph's $471.2M. However, the budget for The LEGO Movie was considerably lower ($60 vs $165M), so you can argue it was more successful anyway. Also, there's already a sequel to The LEGO Movie scheduled for Summer 2017. As for Wreck-It Ralph, on the other hand, there's no sequel in the works. So comparisons end there, unless a miracle happens and we get Wreck-It Ralph 2. According to the composer, WIR 2 is being written. http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Wreck-It-Ralph-2-Being-Written-42447.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edroger3 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 $206.4M is the new OS total, according to (who else?) BOM. $2M this past week (Mon-Sun). ~$0.5M in US last weekend. I think it's a safe bet that it won't reach Wreck-It Ralph's $471.2M. However, the budget for The LEGO Movie was considerably lower ($60 vs $165M), so you can argue it was more successful anyway. Also, there's already a sequel to The LEGO Movie scheduled for Summer 2017. As for Wreck-It Ralph, on the other hand, there's no sequel in the works. So comparisons end there, unless a miracle happens and we get Wreck-It Ralph 2. It seems that Wreck-It Ralph 2 will be done: http://www.hypable.com/2014/04/04/wreck-it-ralph-2-currently-in-the-works-disney/ even if everybody are hopeful for Frozen 2. Lego Movie had a medium production budget, but distribution and marketing costs could be much more, and internationally it did largely worse than expected (especially after the great domestic results) in non english language markets. We have been discussed about the reasons of this, but we are going to see that Lego OS gross could be less than Frozen japanese gross. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDC1987 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I fail to see how language or cultural barriers limiting overseas box office are "problems with the film." That's noting more than thinly veiled, pompous anti-American nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edroger3 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I fail to see how language or cultural barriers limiting overseas box office are "problems with the film." That's noting more than thinly veiled, pompous anti-American nonsense.I don't know the true reasons, but numbers tell us that Lego grossed about 80% in usa, uk, australia and new zealand and 20% in over 50 other markets in which it played. For comparison frozen (another american movie), grossed 25% only in japan/china/south corea. (See post #125 for more details) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDC1987 Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I don't know the true reasons, but numbers tell us that Lego grossed about 80% in usa, uk, australia and new zealand and 20% in over 50 other markets in which it played. For comparison frozen (another american movie), grossed 25% only in japan/china/south corea. (See post #125 for more details) I think it's obvious that the Lego movie humor and dialogue doesn't translate as well. Disney literally designs their films to be able to sell tickets anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigley Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) I think it's obvious that the Lego movie humor and dialogue doesn't translate as well. Disney literally designs their films to be able to sell tickets anywhere. Interestingly, though, Wreck-It Ralph had so many references to video games that couldn't be translated into other languages. For example, in the greek dubbed version, many of the words weren't even translated (e.g. Sugar Rush, cybugs). And when they were translated, they weren't funny (e.g. joke about "Hero's Duty" was tranlsated but it didn't make sense in Greek because "duty" in greek only has the meaning of "responsibility" and not "a need to go to the bathroom"). Of course Wreck-It Ralph still made loads of money in South America (where they speak Spanish or Portuguese), but its worlwide gross is noticeably lower than Tangled's and Frozen's, and it is also lower than most Pixar films. Edited May 13, 2014 by Quigley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rsyu Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Am I the only one who thought this was massively overrated? I certainly don't see how it merits a 96% RT score. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edroger3 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Am I the only one who thought this was massively overrated? I certainly don't see how it merits a 96% RT score. Me too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edroger3 Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) It seems that Wreck-It Ralph 2 will be done: http://www.hypable.com/2014/04/04/wreck-it-ralph-2-currently-in-the-works-disney/ even if everybody are hopeful for Frozen 2. Lego Movie had a medium production budget, but distribution and marketing costs could be much more, and internationally it did largely worse than expected (especially after the great domestic results) in non english language markets. We have been discussed about the reasons of this, but we are going to see that Lego OS gross could be less than Frozen japanese gross. Lego Movie Total Lifetime Grosses as June, 1 Domestic: $255,548,520 55.3% + Foreign: $206,400,000 44.7% = Worldwide: $461,948,520 Frozen Japan Box Office May 31–June 1, 2014 TW LW Movie Studio Weekend Gross Change Screens Change / Avg. Gross-to-Date Week 1 1 Frozen (2013) Disney $7,462,133 +8.7% 635 -15 $11,751 $207,749,319 12 That's incredible, it's really happened! Edited June 5, 2014 by edroger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepsa Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) Lego Movie Total Lifetime Grosses as June, 1 Domestic: $255,548,520 55.3% + Foreign: $206,400,000 44.7% = Worldwide: $461,948,520 Frozen Japan Box Office May 31–June 1, 2014 TW LW Movie Studio Weekend Gross Change Screens Change / Avg. Gross-to-Date Week 1 1 Frozen (2013) Disney $7,462,133 +8.7% 635 -15 $11,751 $207,749,319 12 That's incredible, it's really happened! That's lame... We already knew it would happen for like 6 weeks... I mean, on the Jap forum they are altready talking about 300M + for over a month Edited June 6, 2014 by pepsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
