DUNKIRK WEEKEND THREAD | ABSOLUTELY NO SPOILERS | Official estimates Dunkirk 50.5M, GT 30.3M, SMH 22M, Apes 20.4M, Val 17M | Wonder Woman is the new summer champ with 389M total | Summer Sale is Live!

[Water Bottle]

3 minutes ago, Ethan Hunt said:

I really don't think movies should be defined by who their target audience is

 

Not all movies are made for everyone and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Mojoguy]

Not to mention there is nothing wrong with a child enjoying a childish movie.

The problem is parents having to endure 90 minutes of childish humor in the kids movie for their children.

[grim22]

1 minute ago, Ethan Hunt said:

I really don't think movies should be defined by who their target audience is

 

Why? If a movie wants to only target one audience, and it satisfies that specific audience, why should anyone else take offense that it is not aimed at them? Would you be angry at Twilight for targeting teen girls, or High School Musical for very specifically targeting tweens? What is wrong with kids movies targeting kids as their audience? Parents don't mind as long as it is passable entertainment for them if the kids are entertained.

 

Kind of strange opinions here by Han and Ethan saying that kids movies cannot be aimed towards kids.

[Barnack]

12 minutes ago, Emperor Tele-Limai said:

This Matt Zoller Seitz tweetstorm is a nice good response to the Nolan/Netflix kerfluffle. 

 

Could be the twitter being such a bad platform, but I'm not sure he is saying much of anything outside triviality and liking Nolan, the only possible interesting door: industry conspired to prize "content" is not really developed.

 

Arguably Netflix still has to do there first successful movie release imo, the closest too was Beast of No Nation, but the talk about those movies never got close to relevance (versus there tv show). Making it a bit obvious that for the moment the netflix model does not work for movies.

Edited July 24, 2017 by Barnack

[Ethan Hunt]

1 minute ago, grim22 said:

 

Why? If a movie wants to only target one audience, and it satisfies that specific audience, why should anyone else take offense that it is not aimed at them? Would you be angry at Twilight for targeting teen girls, or High School Musical for very specifically targeting tweens? What is wrong with kids movies targeting kids as their audience? Parents don't mind as long as it is passable entertainment for them if the kids are entertained.

 

Kind of strange opinions here by Han and Ethan saying that kids movies cannot be aimed towards kids.

No one ever said they can't be aimed at kids

[baumer]

So now we are getting back to the well I didn't like it and it's not for me so obviously it's horrible filmmaking.

 

Siiiigh

[Biggestgeekever]

5 minutes ago, Water Bottle said:

Illumination always go for the easy jokes. At least the little I was able to stand from the first DM movie that I watched. None of their other movies based on marketing seems to suggest otherwise.

 

But lazy storytelling? Eh not really a thing.

 

I think not liking DM3 is just yet another sign that you are growing up.

 

No, the storytelling in DM3 is genuinely lazy. There's no attempt made to coalesce the various arcs of the film, to the point that they're almost completely divorced from one another; the minions segments in particular feel like a test pilot for a TV show.

[Ethan Hunt]

2 minutes ago, Water Bottle said:

 

Not all movies are made for everyone and there's nothing wrong with that.

This is true. But you can make a film for kids that is bad. And you can also make a film for kids that is good

[Jayhawk the Hutt]

6 minutes ago, Emperor Tele-Limai said:

This Matt Zoller Seitz tweetstorm is a nice good response to the Nolan/Netflix kerfluffle. 

 

 

I agree with a lot in this thread, although I don't really think the experience in cinemas has gotten much worse. Too many ads/trailers, some problems with phones during the film, but I would argue that stuff like sound quality and consistency of projection due to things like digital have never been better. But perhaps that is just because I seek out (and have available) numerous really great theaters by me (some of which are run by the big corporate chains). Of course, I really won't have all those options available to me starting this weekend, so maybe he is right 

[baumer]

I saw Dunkirk yesterday and liked it for the most part. And I saw Valerian today and didn't like the first 30 minutes all that much but it definitely picks up and gets much better. The last 20 minutes or so is really quite awesome. I think Valerian is definitely a movie that you should see before claiming it to be a horrible movie. It's actually pretty enjoyable for the most part.

[a2k]

Out of the major studio animations, Shrek3, Smurfs1, Cars2 and Minions are the worst films imo.

(I haven't watched Smurfs2 (watched half after downloading) and Alvin 2 and 3. Something tells me they would have made the list.)

 

All studios can deliver shit films. Above are from DW, Sony, Pixar(post Disney) and Illum.

[Dementeleus]

3 minutes ago, Barnack said:

Could be the twitter being such a bad platform, but I'm not sure he is saying anything, the only possible interesting door: industry conspired to prize "content" is not really developed.

 

Arguably Netflix still has to do there first successful movie release imo, the closest too was Beast of No Nation, but the talk about those movies never got close to relevance (versus there tv show). Making it a bit obvious that for the moment the netflix model does not work for movies.

 

There's no news or info, it's just an op-ed piece, as it were. I also disagree that a Netflix movie hasn't been successful yet: their intentions and purposes are quite different than theatrical distributors and that's fine. 

[Water Bottle]

Just now, Biggestgeekever said:

No, the storytelling in DM3 is genuinely lazy. There's no attempt made to coalesce the various arcs of the film, to the point that they're almost completely divorced from one another; the minions segments in particular feel like a test pilot for a TV show.

 

And yet when a certain auteur director who recently released a movie does it....it's considered brilliant and inspired. 

 

Disjointed does not mean lazy or even necessarily bad.

[YM!]

1 minute ago, Ethan Hunt said:

This is true. But you can make a film for kids that is bad. And you can also make a film for kids that is good

Exactly. There's a major difference in quality between something like The Lego Movie and Norm of The North. Even kids can see the difference.

[a2k]

Spider-Man: Homecoming

$22,150,085

-50%

4,130

$251,851,666

[Ethan Hunt]

1 minute ago, Stutterng baumer Denbrough said:

I saw Dunkirk yesterday and liked it for the most part. And I saw Valerian today and didn't like the first 30 minutes all that much but it definitely picks up and gets much better. The last 20 minutes or so is really quite awesome. I think Valerian is definitely a movie that you should see before claiming it to be a horrible movie. It's actually pretty enjoyable for the most part.

Well people should never claim that anything is a horrible movie without seeing it

[redfirebird2008]

Dunkirk playing very well at Lincoln Square, not just IMAX either. The regular digital screen is selling more tickets than Girls Trip. 

 

Meanwhile, Girls Trip playing stronger in my rural Texas area than Dunkirk. 

[a2k]

Waiting for casual WB

 

		Movie	Distributor	Gross	Change	Thtrs.	Per Thtr.	Total Gross	Days
1	new	Dunkirk	Warner Bros.	$50,500,000		3,720	$13,575	$50,500,000	3
2	new	Girls Trip	Universal	$31,201,920		2,591	$12,042	$31,201,920	3
3	(2)	Spider-Man: Homecoming	Sony Pictures	$22,150,085	-50%	4,130	$5,363	$251,851,666	17
4	(1)	War for the Planet of the Apes	20th Century Fox	$20,884,223	-63%	4,100	$5,094	$98,235,137	10
5	new	Valerian and the City of a …	STX Entertainment	$17,007,624		3,553	$4,787	$17,007,624	3
6	(3)	Despicable Me 3	Universal	$13,012,050	-33%	3,525	$3,691	$213,620,275	24
7	(4)	Baby Driver	Sony Pictures	$6,070,912	-30%	2,503	$2,425	$84,304,851	26
8	(5)	The Big Sick	Lionsgate	$5,000,000	-34%	2,597	$1,925	$24,539,378	31
9	(6)	Wonder Woman	Warner Bros.	$4,600,000	-32%	1,971	$2,334	$389,003,279	52
10	(7)	Wish Upon	Broad Green Pictures	$2,475,013	-55%	2,154	$1,149	$10,519,278	10
11	(8)	Cars 3	Walt Disney	$1,918,697	-38%	1,294	$1,483	$144,013,262	38
12	(9)	Transformers: The Last Knight	Paramount Pictures	$1,169,678	-59%	1,025	$1,141	$127,606,483	33
13	(17)	Captain Underpants: The Fir…	20th Century Fox	$461,114	+39%	291	$1,585	$71,865,351	52
14	(11)	47 Meters Down	Entertainment Studi…	$447,820	-61%	449	$997	$42,272,277	38
15	(13)	Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2	Walt Disney	$364,450	-28%	268	$1,360	$387,259,952	80
16	(12)	The Beguiled	Focus Features	$257,555	-72%	331	$778	$10,160,989	31
17	(14)	Pirates of the Caribbean: D…	Walt Disney	$247,547	-50%	229	$1,081	$170,617,747	59
18	(16)	The Mummy	Universal	$217,260	-40%	214	$1,015	$79,401,065	45

[Jayhawk the Hutt]

Just now, a2knet said:

Spider-Man: Homecoming

$22,150,085

-50%

4,130

$251,851,666

Under 50% drop. Not great for a 3rd weekend obviously, but it stabilized a bit after a rough 2nd weekend/Monday last week.

[ZeeSoh]

Almost all movies increasing from estimates

 

2	new	Girls Trip	Universal	$31,201,920		2,591	$12,042	$31,201,920	3
3	(2)	Spider-Man: Homecoming	Sony Pictures	$22,150,085	-50%	4,130	$5,363	$251,851,666	17
4	(1)	War for the Planet of the Apes	20th Century Fox	$20,884,223	-63%	4,100	$5,094	$98,235,137	10
5	new	Valerian and the City of a …	STX Entertainment	$17,007,624		3,553	$4,787	$17,007,624	3
6	(3)	Despicable Me 3	Universal	$13,012,050	-33%	3,525	$3,691	$213,620,275	24
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