MCKillswitch123 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Johnny Tran said: Aquaman is in great company with the Fast franchise and Transformers. It means now that a sequel they can probably bank on $200M+ from China no matter what... As long as the budget doesn't go insane Aquaman is now going to be a hugely profitable franchise for the foreseeable future. People thought it could do well but not many expected this. HUGE win for Wan, Momoa and DC/WB. Not just a huge win, but a needed win. Yes, we can point out how every single film in the DCEU franchise made over 225M DOM and over 600M WW, and that is absolutely the mark of a franchise that's successful. However, when more than half of these movies are remembered as divisive at best and as films that could have done way more business than they did if they had actually been more widely well recieved, you know that the base that the franchise was built on was extremely rocky. Snyder fanboys will brag day and night about how the movies he directed were financial hits (Justice League is debatable) and his casting choices were damn near spot on, but let's be real: his DCEU films would've probably done the exact same business or close to it if they had gotten fucking Uwe Boll to direct them (especially BVS and Justice League - which were gigantic concepts that sold themselves on their own, really). Sure, Man Of Steel and BVS both looked pretty great in the marketing, but then again, you can make any turd look half decent if you know how to cut trailers, and WB are the well-known Gods of marketing in Hollywood. Case in point: Suicide Squad, which, again, had a great concept, great cast of characters, absolutely stellar marketing and a good release date where it had little competition. The fact that it still missed a 2.5x in these conditions is kinda sad. (Though I blame no one but WB themselves on that one.... Ayer was in over his head and he's hardly the best director in the world, sure, but you can tell this movie was an absolute studio hackjob anyway, kinda like Fant4stic. BVS was also hacked by WB studio notes, but a lot of the fault still falls on Snyder, Goyer and Terrio's bizarre creative choices.) Not only do both Wonder Woman and Aquaman show what DC movies could be performing like if they actually hit their potential - nobody (except Tele) saw WW crossing 400M in NA and beating Spider-Man DOM or WW, and a movie about fucking Aquaman of all characters is on its way to hit over a billion - but they create a landscape where the superhero movie business isn't monopolized by the Marvel brand, regardless of it being divided between Disney, Sony and Fox, and where legit competition can make both sides perform better from a quality perspective, which then leads to box office quantity. And yeah, I'm sure we'll hear about how Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman got a lot of free promotion in BVS, and how Momoa's Aquaman got a lot of free promotion in JL, and that's true. No one can take away from Snyder or the screenwriters that they got people talking about those characters in those films (WW was actually seen by many as the sole redeeming quality of BVS, and despite everything, BVS made 870M in box office after all). However, were it not for a solid but not stunning OS performance, Wonder Woman would have outgrossed BVS WW; while Aquaman, despite, in all honesty, not really having felt like one of the standouts of Justice League from even a general conversation perspective (most people remember the shitty Atlantis bubbles, if anything), crapped all over JL in like 2-3 weeks. That is not just a mark of a few successful pillars among a pile of eroded ones: that's a mark that the creative teams behind these two films created something that actually resonated with audiences for real. That's a mark of word-of-mouth, baby. And wom is what the DCEU really can do with. We'll see what happens with Shazam, but if it makes Justice League money WW, I'll be there to remind everyone that SHAZAM has made as much as Justice fucking League, which sounds ludicrous to say and positive proof that the DCEU did have a rocky foundation. And even the so called Snyder Cut probably wouldn't have been good enough to save JL from disaster, when the audience had already lost trust on the franchise prior to Wonder Woman and this was basically a direct sequel to BVS. Edited January 2, 2019 by MCKillswitch123 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGlass2 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Aquaman makes $1 billion: What Went Wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil19 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, MrGlass2 said: Aquaman makes $1 billion: What Went Wrong? It didn't do 1.3 billion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAJK Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, efialtes76 said: BP did $1,342M... Lol gotta make sure TDKR is ahead of BP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heat Vision Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, VTKajin said: I doubt it'll be in production that long. It probably won't be post-heavy. Not to mention October and November aren't good months for the movie. November has FB3 and October has Venom, while not being a huge month for blockbusters in general. I'm placing my bets on August. You think Venom can take out Batman? 1 hour ago, ChipMunky said: They won't release WW84 in June 2020, and then Batman in August 2020. Both films wouldn't canibalize each other anyways. Besides Marvel releases their films close to each other. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grim22 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 Would titling Bumblebee as "Transformers Universe: Bumblebee" have made any difference for it's box office either in the US or OS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Tran Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 I don't have much interest in turning this into a Snyder/Whedon thing tonight @MCKillswitch123 but the facts are JL is partially a Snyder movie and partially a Whedon movie and it does not work. Whether Snyder was let go or whether he left because of family doesn't matter.. all that matters is that Snyder did not complete the film and Whedon tried some things and those did not work either.. What I'm saying is that there is enough blame to go around. Whedon is not a sparkling diamond coming out of this situation either, the ass shots of Wonder Woman is just one of the many things that people including Patty Jenkins herself had an issue with.. So with that, Snyder/WB/Whedon.. whatever. Blame them all. JL was a fail. If you look at Wonder Woman Snyder had quite a bit to do with that production behind the scenes so he might deserve some credit for that too but that's another story.. Of course none of this has anything to do with Aquaman and how I believe WB now has a huge marketable character to go along with the trio of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman. I do believe Shazam can be a hit but probably not on this level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTKajin Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 12 minutes ago, Heat Vision said: You think Venom can take out Batman? Nah, it's not that, just that August 2020 is virtually empty. It's a great spot for releasing a Batman movie and would capitalize on complete lack of competition. Also, WB set DC dates for Feb 14th, April 3rd, June 5th, and July 24th in 2020. So far two of those release dates have been used, with BoP getting moved a week. The April date is 100% not happening but I can see Batman taking the July date and getting pushed to August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrGlass2 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, grim22 said: Would titling Bumblebee as "Transformers Universe: Bumblebee" have made any difference for it's box office either in the US or OS? Transformers Presents: Bumblebee? I'd say it could only have helped the box office, but by a very small amount. (And that is just a guess, with no way to ever know.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heat Vision Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 58 minutes ago, VTKajin said: Nah, it's not that, just that August 2020 is virtually empty. It's a great spot for releasing a Batman movie and would capitalize on complete lack of competition. Also, WB set DC dates for Feb 14th, April 3rd, June 5th, and July 24th in 2020. So far two of those release dates have been used, with BoP getting moved a week. The April date is 100% not happening but I can see Batman taking the July date and getting pushed to August. Would be good release schedule. I say WB gets bold and adds a possible 4th film in December. Feb- BoP June- WW84 August- The Batman December- Batgirl? That would be a solid 2020 schedule. Start and end the year with low budget films. Big budget films in the middle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckasaurus Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, grim22 said: Would titling Bumblebee as "Transformers Universe: Bumblebee" have made any difference for it's box office either in the US or OS? Sure didn't help The Gone Girl in Charlotte's Web: A New Hope in the Dragon Tattoo Chronicles. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTKajin Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, Heat Vision said: Would be good release schedule. I say WB gets bold and adds a possible 4th film in December. Feb- BoP June- WW84 August- The Batman December- Batgirl? That would be a solid 2020 schedule. Start and end the year with low budget films. Big budget films in the middle. I've been thinking about this a lot. Batgirl could definitely happen, since it probably could be finished in about a year. I'm also thinking Black Adam is a possible contender, but that's dependent on how fast it gets a director and greenlit. The Rock is a proven name in December and his schedule is kind of open after Jumanji 3 is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excel1 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 THE BATMAN coming July 2020 followed by THE BATMAN 2 featuring JP's Joker coming DECEMBER 2021 = $$$$$#$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMP Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, excel1 said: THE BATMAN coming July 2020 followed by THE BATMAN 2 featuring JP's Joker coming DECEMBER 2021 = $$$$$#$ JP is one and done with Joker. Dude sacrificed his dad bod for that film, don't know if he's gonna wanna do that again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfran43 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Movie Distributor Gross Change Thtrs. Per Thtr. Total Gross Days 1 (1) Aquaman Warner Bros. $16,377,779 +64% 4,125 $3,970 $215,437,603 12 2 (2) Mary Poppins Returns Walt Disney $8,661,334 +30% 4,090 $2,118 $114,591,795 14 3 (3) Bumblebee Paramount Pictures $7,193,973 +70% 3,550 $2,026 $78,620,092 12 4 (4) Spider-Man: Into The Spider… Sony Pictures $6,185,793 +54% 3,813 $1,622 $114,332,238 19 5 (5) The Mule Warner Bros. $4,066,149 +13% 2,787 $1,459 $68,786,483 19 6 (8) Second Act STX Entertainment $2,434,593 +50% 2,607 $934 $25,979,535 12 7 (7) Ralph Breaks The Internet Walt Disney $2,282,094 +34% 2,343 $974 $179,898,948 42 8 (6) Vice Annapurna Pictures $2,208,072 +5% 2,442 $904 $21,984,239 8 9 (9) Holmes & Watson Sony Pictures $2,081,183 +45% 2,776 $750 $23,330,433 8 10 (10) Dr. Seuss’ The Grinch Universal $1,097,420 +33% 2,555 $430 $267,377,830 54 11 (15) Welcome to Marwen Universal $787,595 +35% 1,911 $412 $9,145,490 12 12 (11) Mary Queen of Scots Focus Features $783,925 +17% 841 $932 $10,510,155 26 13 (13) The Favourite Fox Searchlight $774,641 +21% 809 $958 $16,663,106 40 14 (14) Bohemian Rhapsody 20th Century Fox $689,372 +14% 868 $794 $190,502,505 61 15 (12) Green Book Universal $664,845 n/c 621 $1,071 $32,817,851 47 - (-) Creed II MGM $488,317 +63% 1,068 $457 $112,936,837 42 - (-) Instant Family Paramount Pictures $358,470 +30% 744 $482 $65,203,476 47 - (-) Mortal Engines Universal $337,460 +55% 2,995 $113 $15,231,635 19 - (-) Fantastic Beasts: The Crime… Warner Bros. $296,067 +28% 515 $575 $157,077,926 47 - (-) If Beale Street Could Talk Annapurna Pictures $240,714 +47% 65 $3,703 $2,369,918 19 - (-) On the Basis of Sex Focus Features $235,171 +31% 33 $7,126 $1,911,793 8 - (-) Ben is Back Roadside Attractions $157,652 +27% 158 $998 $2,033,355 26 - (-) A Star is Born Warner Bros. $147,019 +18% 236 $623 $201,304,904 89 - (-) The Nutcracker and the Four… Walt Disney $51,012 +59% 218 $234 $54,632,781 61 - (-) Widows 20th Century Fox $45,712 +70% 121 $378 $41,949,885 47 - (-) Free Solo Greenwich $41,108 +87% 59 $697 $11,281,086 96 - (-) Robin Hood Lionsgate $39,307 +84% 189 $208 $30,684,320 42 - (-) Smallfoot Warner Bros. $38,215 +43% 184 $208 $83,014,836 96 - (-) Venom Sony Pictures $26,293 +94% 115 $229 $213,338,688 89 - (-) At Eternity’s Gate CBS Films $23,432 +25% 50 $469 $1,877,175 47 - (-) Destroyer Annapurna Pictures $14,877 +56% 3 $4,959 $136,977 8 - (-) The Possession of Hannah Grace Sony Pictures $14,652 +181% 79 $185 $14,636,862 33 - (-) Night School Universal $10,375 +128% 50 $208 $77,326,955 96 - (-) The House with a Clock in i… Universal $7,050 +78% 45 $157 $68,543,450 103 - (-) Boy Erased Focus Features $5,695 +84% 34 $168 $6,779,897 61 - (-) First Man Universal $4,105 -7% 28 $147 $44,927,140 82 - (-) The World Before Your Feet Greenwich $3,476 +16% 9 $386 $114,939 42 - (-) Crazy Rich Asians Warner Bros. $2,730 +18% 19 $144 $174,522,065 140 - (-) Halloween Universal $2,370 +148% 23 $103 $159,338,880 75 - (-) Indivisible Pure Flix Entertain… $840 +168% 9 $93 $3,510,608 68 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepsa Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Disney had a hard year, other than there 3 flagships (BP, IW and I2) they realy stugled this year. (AM2 was ok just like Ralp but not great in anyway) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonwo Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 51 minutes ago, Heat Vision said: Would be good release schedule. I say WB gets bold and adds a possible 4th film in December. Feb- BoP June- WW84 August- The Batman December- Batgirl? That would be a solid 2020 schedule. Start and end the year with low budget films. Big budget films in the middle. I'd say 3 is the maximum for one studio superhero wise otherwise you'd end up cannibalising the audience. I'd probably say February, June and November for Birds of Prey, WW1984 and The Batman/Batgirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heat Vision Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jonwo said: I'd say 3 is the maximum for one studio superhero wise otherwise you'd end up cannibalising the audience. I'd probably say February, June and November for Birds of Prey, WW1984 and The Batman/Batgirl Is only a matter of time before Marvel starts putting out 4 films a year now that they have X-Men and Fantastic Four. DC will follow eventually. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMP Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Is it me or does Ocean to Ocean fucking slap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heat Vision Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 DCEU will be close to 5 billion when Aquaman is done with its run. Not bad for a dying franchise that needs a reboot. 8 minutes ago, TMP said: Is it me or does Ocean to Ocean fucking slap It has grown on me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
