Christmas Weekend Thread | Avatar 95.6m, PiB 20.05m, Babylon 4.85m 4 days

[excel1]

Margot Robbie is Cameron Diaz in the 2020s. She's absolutely a draw in the right role, but that's about it. Robbie was 100% part of the reason Suicide Squad blew up in 2016 despite pathetic reviews. The character is a bit played out at this point, though. Anyone think BARBIE has the buzz it has if CAREY MULLIGAN was cast in the lead? Everyone knows Robbie should have been cast as Daisy Buchanon in GATSBY 2013 too. 

 

I also think, frankly, she struggles from being perfect looking. Many moviegoers have a hard time taking the truly perfect-looking people seriously. She is hardly the first person to struggle with this. Many actresses in the past struggled with this, and actors too. Some overcome it, and some don't. 

 

There is such a difference between being "good looking & dolled up for Hollywood" ala Julia Roberts, Reese Witherspoon, Ben Affleck, Tom Cruise etc and then legit. having a super-model type of face ala Margot Robbie, Megan Fox, Henry Cavill, Josh Hartnett, Rob Lowe. Brad Pitt is one of the only people to truly overcome this and it took him forever to do so. 

Edited December 24, 2022 by excel1

[Cap]

4 minutes ago, filmlover said:

Honestly, if they wanted to give audiences a reason to celebrate her music, it might've been better to create a jukebox musical in the vein of Mamma Mia!

Elton John musical worked so well. There was such a sense of whimsy and fantasy to it.

[Cap]

2 minutes ago, Legion in Boots said:

Whew boy now you’re really getting banned 

It’s fine. He’s not saying negative things about Chris Evans.

[JustLurking]

2 minutes ago, Cap said:

It’s fine. He’s not saying negative things about Chris Evans.

so far

[XXR vs XXR]

3 minutes ago, Cap said:

It’s fine. He’s not saying negative things about Chris Evans.

 

**puts away my "Everything Wrong with Chris Evans" list**

[Alex SciChannel]

Puss in Boots news from Deadline,

https://deadline.com/2022/12/box-office-christmas-avatar-way-of-water-babylon-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-1235205786/

 

Universal/Dreamworks Animation’s Puss in Boots: The Last Wish saw $3.8M Friday for a 3-day of $11.1M, 4-day of $17.4M and 6-day of $24.3M. Comscore/Screen Engine PostTrak exits gave the sequel 89% to go along with that A CinemaScore from Wednesday. Kids under 12 gave it 90%. A 50/50 demo split with 40% under 17 years old. Diversity demos were 47% Caucasian, 31% Latino and Hispanic, 10% Black and 12% Asian/other. Those U.S. areas doing business were West, Southwest and Midwest which is where the pic’s top nine theaters were. This weekend the film opened in an additional 28 markets including China, Mexico, Spain and Germany and is set to make $32M abroad through Sunday bringing Puss In Boots: The Last Wish global cume (with domestic grosses through Monday) to $57.1M. Excluding China, the International openings are estimated to be in line with Sing 2, above Ferdinand and just slightly below the first Sing.

 

 

Social media reach for Puss in Boots 2 was primo according to RelishMix with a reach across TikTok, Instagram, Facebook and Twitter of 358M, in line with the social media universe of How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World (345M), Lightyear (371M) and Lego Movie 2 (335M). A dedicated Puss In Boots TikTok channel was launched this August, now with 602K fans and clocking an extraordinary 101.8M views “a crystal clear target of where Puss In Boots fans live online, for fun, in 2022″ says the social media analytics org.

 

Again the 4-day to 6-day split is wrong because Deadline doesn't know how math works. But if the international numbers continue to be in line with Sing 2 that's very reassuring and with 70M+ domestic PiBTLW could very well break even.

Edited December 24, 2022 by Alex SciChannel

[GOGODanca]

So at what point does the industry realize that margot has no drawing power ?

[ThePrinceIsOnFire]

23 minutes ago, Firepower said:

I love Margot, but she's not a real movie star, almost everything she does flops and those few successes had bigger draws in lead roles, so she had nothing to do with them either. Tom Cruise is truly the last movie star, even The Rock's shine finally died and with DiCaprio I'm not sure because his recent projects are very much direct-to-streaming, even with their huge budgets.

 

13 minutes ago, StreamBO said:

The Movie Star era IS GONE. IPs draw people not stars, twitter and instagram fame does not translate to Box Office if it was that every Timothe Chalamet movie would make money. 

 

You both should remember Scarlett Johansson, who is the youngest active actress to achieve commercial success in a non-ip non-sequel/remake/reboot role: 2014 LUCY. She can carry a movie on her shoulders, especially internationally where she is a big star. Yes Ghost in the shell was a disappointment, but without her it would have completely bombed. 

Give her the right action role and she still is a huge draw. 

Edited December 24, 2022 by ThePrinceIsOnFire

[Firepower]

11 minutes ago, StreamBO said:

The Movie Star era IS GONE. IPs draw people not stars, twitter and instagram fame does not translate to Box Office if it was that every Timothe Chalamet movie would make money. 

I agree, social media popularity doesn't translate to box office.

[Legion Again]

Puss over 100M and A2 under 536.4 are the only remaining stories I care about this year.

[Nero]

2 minutes ago, GOGODanca said:

So at what point does the industry realize that margot has no drawing power ?

After Barbie 

[Firepower]

Just now, ThePrinceIsOnFire said:

You both should remember Scarlett Johansson, who is the youngest active actress to achieve commercial success in a non-ip non-sequel/remake/reboot role: 2014 LUCY. She can carry a movie on her shoulder, especially internationally where she is a big star. Yes Ghost in the shell was a disappointment, but without her it would have completely bombed. 

Give her the right action role and she still is a huge draw. 

Yes, Lucy was a real movie star moment for Scarlett, but she didn't have a big box office success outside Marvel in a long time, 2014 was a long while ago, at the time Movie Star wasn't dead yet.

[Cap]

7 minutes ago, JustLurking said:

so far

Well, he should probably stop before he gets that far. He’s probably only had this long of a leash because it’s Christmas Eve, and I’ve been dealing with not having power and being sick.

 

5 minutes ago, XXR It's 2 Damn Cold Out said:

 

**puts away my "Everything Wrong with Chris Evans" list**

It’s a very short list:

1. We can’t clone him
2. Other men are not as soft as him
3. he doesn’t post enough pictures of Dodger
4. he really could take singing lessons
5. his twitter fans are crazy stalkers (actually this is true. They are scary awful. So gross.)

[Legion Again]

Just now, Cap said:

It’s a very short list:

1. We can’t clone him
2. Other men are not as soft as him
3. he doesn’t post enough pictures of Dodger
4. he really could take singing lessons
5. his twitter fans are crazy stalkers (actually this is true. They are scary awful. So gross.)

6. Not enough screentime in Knives Out 2

[PenguinHyphy]

51 minutes ago, Dragoncaine said:

You're calling a lineup with Avatar, Top Gun, Everything Everywhere, Banshees, and Tar the worst ever? Do you remember 2018? Bohemian Rhapsody, Vice, and Green Book all top contenders over A Star is Born, The Favourite, BlackKklansman, etc.

 

We do not know what the lineup is yet, and that is why I stated that it is the worst Oscar season. Oscar season as in the "prestige" projects. Cold War, Beale Street, First Reformed, Widows etcetera are all better than the supposed prestige titles that are coming out this year, and those are not even big Oscar players. The 2018 lineup is another very low point, but when you have a popcorn Top Gun sequel, Avatar 2 and a silly quasi superhero project where people are fighting each other with dildos as your crowning jewels in cinema for the year, then yeah you have really reached the pits. The fact that people are even pushing an absolute catastrophe such as Babylon as a Best Picture contender says everything. That would be like the Tourist getting a Best Picture nomination in 2011. Where are the Silver Lining Playbooks or The Hidden Figures that used to be the "prestige" projects that actually perform well with critics and audiences? 

Edited December 24, 2022 by PenguinHyphy

[Firepower]

10 minutes ago, excel1 said:

Margot Robbie is Cameron Diaz in the 2020s. She's absolutely a draw in the right role, but that's about it. Robbie was 100% part of the reason Suicide Squad blew up in 2016 despite pathetic reviews.

Then why Birds of Prey and The Suicide Squad did so horribly, especially TSS with much better reviews? Suicide Squad had Will Smith and Joker in it, it was very much hyped because of Joker, that movie would do the same with someone else as Harley.

[Eric Lasagna]

I mean almost every Timothee movie has made money when you think about it. People bought tickets to even see The King and Don't Look Up. So that's a lie. They all made money. I bought tickets for many of them. Therefore, money was made.

[excel1]

Just now, Firepower said:

Then why Birds of Prey and The Suicide Squad did so horribly, especially TSS with much better reviews? Suicide Squad had Will Smith and Joker in it, it was very much hyped because of Joker, that movie would do the same with someone else as Harley.

 

It was too late. Curiosity factor gone. TSS dealt with the HBO max cover debacle obviously as well. In 2016, Big Willie Style star power had diminished greatly and Joker was bit player in advertising. 

 

Robbie's Harley costume was the biggest halloween costume that year.

[Krissykins]

At least the Whitney film got an A Cinemascore and high exit scores. 68% female and 90% over 25. Could be good for legs, but again, it’s all way too little, too late. 
 

Can’t wait to see the film on Monday. 

[Firepower]

5 minutes ago, PenguinHyphy said:

 

We do not know what the lineup is yet, and that is why I stated that it is the worst Oscar season. Oscar season as in the "prestige" projects. Cold War, Beale Street, First Reformed, Widows etcetera are all better than the supposed prestige titles that are coming out this year but are not really factoring into the Oscar race. The 2018 lineup is another very low point, but when you have a popcorn Top Gun sequel, Avatar 2 and a silly quasi superhero project where people are fighting each other with dildos as your as your crowning jewels in cinema for the year, then yeah you have really reached the pits. The fact that people are even pushing an absolute catastrophe such as Babylon as a Best Picture contender says everything. That would be like the Touring getting a Best Picture nomination in 2011. Where are the Silver Lining Playbooks or The Hidden Figures that used to be the "prestige" projects that actually perform well with critics and audiences? 

"Prestige" doesn't mean every single contender has to be boring generic Oscar bait people forget about forever as soon as awards season ends, if not earlier. Oscars is a middle ground between Cannes and People's Choice Awards, not former and never was.

Edited December 24, 2022 by Firepower