Sam Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Not that great for me, but I'll accept it as long as I won't lose points.Well, Japan could go lower than 20M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peludo Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 No Bale No billion! Do not agree. If MoS can round 700 WW with an average movie, the first movie in the history with Batman and Superman together should fly over billion with relative ease. The first Bale's Batman was under Superman Returns WW (and that considering BB was an excellent movie and SR was just meh). And let's remember both were in the same conditions: both came from awful predecessors and with new main actors. Then, TDK exploded thanks to, mainly, story and characters (not just Batman, but overall Joker and Two Faces). And TDKR benefitted from the fame generated by previous movie. I love Nolan's trilogy and I consider that Bale is easily the best Batman ever and if he came back he could help for sure to gross more, but not in a so high grade as you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) People don't care about Bale, they will see Batman and will want to see it just for that. In SH movies the characters are much more important than the actors, apart from Iron Man. Edited August 5, 2013 by Sonic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 People don't care about Bale, they will see Batman and will want to see it just for that. In SH movies the characters are much more important than the actors, apart from Iron Man. Bale himself isn't a draw, but being part of the same universe as the dark knight series is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ent Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 (edited) People don't care about Bale, they will see Batman and will want to see it just for that. In SH movies the characters are much more important than the actors, apart from Iron Man. I would be very cautious with that affirmation because outside of Nolan's Batman (and even there, only TDK and TDKR), the OS market never really embraced Batman, the character the way they embraced Spider Man, proven by its reboot that demonstrated that even outside of Raimy and Tobey Mc guire, the character is still very popular abroad.. So nothing is certain. It is yet to be proven that a non Nolan Batman without Bale can bring the masses in droves better than Spider Man (hence hitting at least $600M abroad) does when it comes to the OS market, to have a chance to hit a billion. The same way that The Bourne sans Matt Dillon and the Terminator serie sans Cameron and Schwarzie (except for his cameo) are much less attractive to the audience. It will also be the case when IM will rebooted without RDJ. Edited August 5, 2013 by Ent 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadDevil Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I would be very cautious with that affirmation because outside of Nolan's Batman (and even there, only TDK and TDKR), the OS market never really embraced Batman, the character the way they embraced Spider Man, proven by its reboot that demonstrated that even outside of Raimy and Tobey Mc guire, the character is still very popular abroad.. So nothing is certain. It is yet to be proven that a non Nolan Batman without Bale can bring the masses in droves better than Spider Man (hence hitting at least $600M abroad) does when it comes to the OS market, to have a chance to hit a billion. The same way that The Bourne sans Matt Dillon and the Terminator serie sans Cameron and Schwarzie (except for his cameo) are much less attractive to the audience. It will also be the case when IM will rebooted without RDJ. I agree for the most part, but I'd say the OS gross for Batman '89 was actually pretty good for its time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullbuster Posted August 5, 2013 Author Share Posted August 5, 2013 I would be very cautious with that affirmation because outside of Nolan's Batman (and even there, only TDK and TDKR), the OS market never really embraced Batman, the character the way they embraced Spider Man, proven by its reboot that demonstrated that even outside of Raimy and Tobey Mc guire, the character is still very popular abroad.. So nothing is certain. It is yet to be proven that a non Nolan Batman without Bale can bring the masses in droves better than Spider Man (hence hitting at least $600M abroad) does when it comes to the OS market, to have a chance to hit a billion. The same way that The Bourne sans Matt Dillon and the Terminator serie sans Cameron and Schwarzie (except for his cameo) are much less attractive to the audience. It will also be the case when IM will rebooted without RDJ. OS markets were small before the recent trilogy, unfair comparison...The OS market changed, and superheroes are more popular than ever. So yes,Batman's presence would be enough, they don't care about the actor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ent Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 OS markets were small before the recent trilogy, unfair comparison...The OS market changed, and superheroes are more popular than ever. So yes,Batman's presence would be enough, they don't care about the actor. Sure. But you have to admit that it never really rose much above the domestic one and since Raimi, no other superhero, be it Batman or Superman has proven to be consistently as popular as Spiderman OS Wise, regardless of who is playing it. Hence why i will be VERY cautious and not say that Batman + Superman is a given to hit one billion at this stage. Spiderman is a better contender to hit high marks OS. Put Spiderman with any other (put him back to TA) and you will sure see a significant increase in the OS market. Batman + Superman are no guarantee at all. It will all depend on the movie itself, if it's good or not. Even TDK did it by crawling and by having one of the 4th biggest domestic take ever sustained by an Oscar camapaign. It did better domestic than foreign and it was a great movie with lots of exposure due to that Oscar campaign for his deceased star. That's why i stay cautious cause for me the only asset that has proven to be that popular overseas regardless of which actor plays it is Spiderman. Spiderman can hit easily a minimum of $550 M at this stage in the OS market regardless of the quality of the movie, regardless of its actor. I wouldn't go as far for Superman + Batman whose reception depend on a lot more variables, including a great movie. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyla Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 It will all depend on the movie itself, if it's good or not. comes down to that 4 sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Marston Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 another country where MOS underperformed is Argentina. Another superhero friendly country, yet The Lone Ranger outgrossed it there. What the hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexJoker Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 So when is this finally releasing in Japan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 So when is this finally releasing in Japan? August 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayumanggi Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 What is the current overseas number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 (edited) What is the current overseas number? That is what BOM is for, 359.5M. Edited August 10, 2013 by Tower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayumanggi Posted August 10, 2013 Share Posted August 10, 2013 Thanks. BOM is sometimes late. Ha ha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilusha Bandara Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 So will there be a 30M for MOS in Japan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmpro Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 So will there be a 30M for MOS in Japan? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 20M is not even certain. But Japan is quite unpredictable compare to other countries, so who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olive Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Superman Returns made 1.45 billion yen(around $15M in current exchange rate) back then in 2006. 20M is possible for MOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmpro Posted August 11, 2013 Share Posted August 11, 2013 Superman Returns made 1.45 billion yen(around $15M in current exchange rate) back then in 2006. 20M is possible for MOS. Maybe. Realease date is not the best.. 15-20 mill could happen. But not 30 mill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
