DavidBrennan Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Of course it's speculation. Hiding behind that to make ridiculous assertions (in either direction) is what I'm calling a bullshit argument.Okay then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovieMan89 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Did you not read my post above where I said Shawn is in the same boat with him? Someone asked me to explain it and I pointed to Shawn's argument about $600m. Both are freaking ludicrous assertions and they both hide behind the bullshit argument that it's "all speculation and there is no way of knowing."http://forums.boxoff...480#entry429507Sorry, I misunderstood that to mean you did think it was speculative to say it could've done $600m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Sorry, I misunderstood that to mean you did think it was speculative to say it could've done $600m.Oh, I was trying to say I thought it was a really ludicrous idea just like saying the movie was positively impacted is a ludicrous idea. Both are just really silly. The common sense "speculation" is that the film was slightly hurt, say $20-30m domestic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Alfred Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 There are posters with common sense (using the word might) and there are arrogant ones living in a bubble, having no idea what media is (using word no chance) when it comes to the Aurora debate. The numbers won't lie, but I guess 10 underperforming film isn't enough. No worries, the trend will continue, we'll get to further disappointments unfortunately. The market needs some time to heal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBrennan Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 There are posters with common sense (using the word might) and there are arrogant ones living in a bubble, having no idea what media is (using word no chance) when it comes to the Aurora debate. The numbers won't lie, but I guess 10 underperforming film isn't enough. No worries, the trend will continue, we'll get to further disappointments unfortunately. The market needs some time to heal. Yes. And I expect that that miraculous "healing" will, by a sheer and total coincidence, coincide with the release of movies which are actually good which people actually want to see. But it won't be the movie that brings people to the theaters, it will be "the healing process". What bullshit. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 There are posters with common sense (using the word might) and there are arrogant ones living in a bubble, having no idea what media is (using word no chance) when it comes to the Aurora debate. The numbers won't lie, but I guess 10 underperforming film isn't enough. No worries, the trend will continue, we'll get to further disappointments unfortunately. The market needs some time to heal. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the films are underperforming because they suck? We've got remakes, sequels that no one wants, and some pretty uninspired "original" films in theaters right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBrennan Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 And, incidentally, both BL and CAMPAIGN both over-performed, anyway. So there goes that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 BL in no way over-performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBrennan Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 BL in no way over-performed.A tardy sequel with a non-star (Renner is the new Gyllenhaal: media elite adored, fat salary, 0 box office draw) and middling reviews opening with 40m is definitely over-performing. Thanks for playing, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gopher Posted August 19, 2012 Author Share Posted August 19, 2012 BL and CAMPAIGN over-performed Nope. Next you'll be saying TR did 'okay'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Alfred Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 (edited) Has it ever occurred to you that maybe the films are underperforming because they suck? We've got remakes, sequels that no one wants, and some pretty uninspired "original" films in theaters right now. No one says that Aurora is the only reason they're underperforming. The quality of this month is poor, that's obvious. The problem is that there are arrogant people out there, who think that everything is back to normal already or even claiming that it had a positive impact on the business. It's impossible to quantify the aftermath of the shooting, but the market is clearly still shaky. I'm sorry, but this is a fact and it takes someone with an IQ of a 5-year old to argue and I'm sad to see some posters to fail into this category. Edited August 19, 2012 by The Dark Alfred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBrennan Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I'm sorry, but this is s fact and it takes someone with an IQ of a 5-year old to argue and I'm sad to see some posters to fail into this category."This is a fact" = "This is my opinion"?Please return to your elementary school to brush up on your English lessons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Alfred Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 "This is a fact" = "This is my opinion"?Please return to your elementary school to brush up on your English lessons. Nope, it's not only my opinion, it's a fact for everyone with an educated brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Did you not read my post above where I said Shawn is in the same boat with him? Someone asked me to explain it and I pointed to Shawn's argument about $600m. Both are freaking ludicrous assertions and they both hide behind the bullshit argument that it's "all speculation and there is no way of knowing."http://forums.boxoff...480#entry429507$600m? That's ridiculous! If our goal is to feel good, why don't we say that it was going to break Avatar's record but the shooting killed its chances, but then it is all just speculation? :)Sorry, Shawn, you are wrong on this one, DEAD WRONG. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackO Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 And, incidentally, both BL and CAMPAIGN both over-performed, anyway. So there goes that one. I want some of what you are smoking! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackO Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 And that same common sense also tells us there was no way it would hit $600m without the shooting either. So let's not act like saying one is more stupid than the other. Once again, using the tragedy to back up your own judgement of the film. Sad. I'm not surprised that same judgement is not used for Expendables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Alfred Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Again, 600m was a possibility. We don't know whether it could have happened or not, but you can't rule it out. It all comes down to the OW, which would have been significantly higher than TDK's. TDKR's weekend shares tell us clearly that its WoM is very strong, not far off from TDK. But we really should move on, because none of us have any evidence, we only have a frikkin' 30+m midnight number, which leaves us still in the dark.Happy Birthday, BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBrennan Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I think that the nasty stench of the Nolanites writing death threats to movie critics at RT and the political bullshit in TDKR had more of an impact than the shooting by far. The movie already had a bad odor even before the Batman fan James Holmes murdered the people in the theater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfirebird2008 Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 If our goal is to feel good, why don't we say that it was going to break Avatar's record but the shooting killed its chances, but then it is all just speculation? That's where Alfred is right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidBrennan Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 Again, 600m was a possibility. We don't know whether it could have happened or not, but you can't rule it out.We can rule it out and we have.TDKR's chances of beating TA = 0.That's a simple equation most people learn in early algebra classes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
