Arlborn Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 8 hours ago, El Gato said: Because race swapping is incredibly insulting. Its basically saying, oh sorry the actual minority characters we do have aren't good enough so we're just going to change this White characters race instead. It's a cop out. I'll take charcters like Black Panther, El Diablo, Cyborg, Amanda Waller, Falcon, Katana...etc over race swaps like Deadshot, Heimdall...etc anyday! Black Orchid is actually Latino, in the comics and cartoons so using her and bolstering her overall profile is a huge win in my book. Nah, it's an adaptation so there's nothing inherently wrong with getting the best actress for the part if the race doesn't matter at all in the story. And once again, nothing is stopping them from casting her and then casting another Latina actress for Black Orchid; there's no actual hard-limit to how many Latinos they can have as super-heroes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Gato Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 9 hours ago, Spidey Freak said: 99.9% of superhero movie audiences don't read the comics. And features like colored eyes are not exclusively Caucasian traits. DC will subtly draw Zatanna as racially ambiguous if Eiza or another Latina actress is cast. They are slowly but surely going that route with Wonder Woman and Aquaman too. Still doesn't change the fact she isn't a Latino character. If they want a Latino character so bad then how hard is it to use an actual Latino character like Black Orchid? She could use the exposure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDerby Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 If a character in the comics is a minority, keep them a minority in the film. If the character is white, feel free to cast a minority in the role. This isn't hard. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZattMurdock Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 2 hours ago, ChipMunky said: If a character in the comics is a minority, keep them a minority in the film. If the character is white, feel free to cast a minority in the role. This isn't hard. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grim22 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 3 hours ago, ChipMunky said: If a character in the comics is a minority, keep them a minority in the film. If the character is white, feel free to cast a minority in the role. This isn't hard. A statement I had seen recently online about this rang very true, a lot of characters in comics are not white, they are default. When comics gained prominence, every character was by default, white. Unless being white and of privilege is a central requirement of the character, like Bruce Wayne, any other character who isn't tied to a specific skin color can easily be cast differently. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Gato Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 You guys aren't getting my argument! What good does it do to change a White characters' race to Black/Latino/Asian? The character will still be White everywhere else! Take Deadshot for instance. He's Black in the DCEU but is still White in the comics, tv shows (Arrow), video games (Injustice 2) and cartoons (JLA). Meanwhile a character like Bronze Tiger, an actual minority character, is sitting in limbo in all mediums! He could have used the exposure! Especially being portrayed by Will Smith! Changing Zatanna into a Latina will do nothing! She's still going to be White in comics, tv shows, cartoons and video games. Instead what it'll do is lessen Black Orchid's chances of being used which would be a shame because she's an actual Latina who could use the exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claire of Themyscira Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 4 hours ago, El Gato said: You guys aren't getting my argument! What good does it do to change a White characters' race to Black/Latino/Asian? The character will still be White everywhere else! Take Deadshot for instance. He's Black in the DCEU, but is still White in the comics, TV shows (Arrow), video games (Injustice 2) and cartoons (JLA). Meanwhile, a character like Bronze Tiger, an actual minority character, is sitting in limbo in all mediums! He could have used the exposure! Especially being portrayed by Will Smith! Changing Zatanna into a Latina will do nothing! She's still going to be White in comics, tv shows, cartoons and video games. Instead what it'll do is lessen Black Orchid's chances of being used which would be a shame because she's an actual Latina who could use the exposure. Arrow? Never heard of that... Anyways, why can't they both be minorities? Tired of the whites. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Claire of Themyscira said: Arrow? Never heard of that... I'd like more of this deliciousness. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 6 hours ago, grim22 said: A statement I had seen recently online about this rang very true, a lot of characters in comics are not white, they are default. When comics gained prominence, every character was by default, white. Unless being white and of privilege is a central requirement of the character, like Bruce Wayne, any other character who isn't tied to a specific skin color can easily be cast differently. Also, the regressive Comics Code in the 50's made it possible to file lawsuits against creators for using POC characters as protagonists in their stories. So it wasn't just a default thing, there was the element of fear against using POC characters (especially as leads and love interests) as it would invite a whole lot of hassle. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDerby Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 15 hours ago, El Gato said: You guys aren't getting my argument! What good does it do to change a White characters' race to Black/Latino/Asian? The character will still be White everywhere else! Take Deadshot for instance. He's Black in the DCEU but is still White in the comics, tv shows (Arrow), video games (Injustice 2) and cartoons (JLA). Meanwhile a character like Bronze Tiger, an actual minority character, is sitting in limbo in all mediums! He could have used the exposure! Especially being portrayed by Will Smith! Changing Zatanna into a Latina will do nothing! She's still going to be White in comics, tv shows, cartoons and video games. Instead what it'll do is lessen Black Orchid's chances of being used which would be a shame because she's an actual Latina who could use the exposure. It gives POC more representation in media. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Gato Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 3 hours ago, ChipMunky said: It gives POC more representation in media. By playing White characters... No thank you! I'll take the real deal (Katana, Amanda Waller, El Diablo, Cyborg, Black Panther...etc) over pandering (Deadshot, Heimdall, Valkyrie...etc) anyday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipDerby Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 I'll take both. But hey, if you're fine with kids only looking up to mostly unknown characters (while cool!), instead of huge heroes, be my guest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ZattMurdock Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 Not sure how reliable is this, but the Brazilian biggest movie news website is reporting news from this website: http://thathashtagshow.com/2017/08/exclusive-jon-spaihts-work-justice-league-dark/ Jon Spaihts was one of the writers behind Doctor Strange. I personally prefer C. Robert "Massawyrm" Cargil, the other co-screenwriter on Doctor Strange, but having Spahits working on this would be great news. Not sure how much reliable though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZattMurdock Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 RE: The article that I wasn't sure if it was reliable that I've posted yesterday: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZattMurdock Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) Double post Edited August 25, 2017 by iJackSparrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spidey Freak Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 5 hours ago, MrGamer2558 said: Is this the line-up confirmed? Quote The search to find a director to helm a darker version of Justice League — reportedly centering on John Constantine, Swamp Thing, Deadman, Zatanna and Etrigan the Demon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cochofles Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 6 hours ago, Spidey Freak said: Is this the line-up confirmed? I hope not. Just one gal? Come on, WB. Take Swamp Thing out and bring in Black Orchid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Freak Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, Cochofles said: I hope not. Just one gal? Come on, WB. Take Swamp Thing out and bring in Black Orchid. I always knew Black Orchid was a longshot. Swamp Thing will remain as he is considered a sacred Alan Moore contribution. I hoped they would at least include Madame Xanadu. She was their Nick Fury/Amanda Waller of sorts in the original comics and wasn't the Del Toro iteration rumored to be considering Monica Belluci to play her? She's a unique character whose rich Arthurian roots could be mined to great effect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...