POTUS 2020 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 5 hours ago, TommyA10 said: Of course it's my personal preference. But that is also the consensus of the majority of moviegoers around the world in this case, hence the bad RT/Metacritic/IMDB scores. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_age_of_extinction/ 18% on RT (3.9/10), 51% audience score (3.2/5) 32/100 on Metacritic And it still made 250m dom and 500 os. That's top ten out of hundreds of movies. We're watching this crap too. This is the pot calling the kettle black 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranMan Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) Plus, it isn't as if the Chinese critical consensus is dissimilar as well, with a 6.6 rating on Duoban from 168,610 users (cf RT with a 3.2/5 rating from 222,559 users). https://movie.douban.com/subject/7054604/ Edited January 17, 2016 by FranMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annayya Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 Now that Star Wars had its second week done in China, we should have a better estimate of what the final total will be from China. I am thinking $125 million. Could it be significantly higher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyA10 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 1 hour ago, No Prisoners said: And it still made 250m dom and 500 os. That's top ten out of hundreds of movies. We're watching this crap too. This is the pot calling the kettle black T4 in No.98 in all time domestic, and No.15 international (with its huge China gross). It is No.3 in China. So not quite the same. The movie still over performed everywhere considering its quality, but China definitely gave it the biggest boost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmpro Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 20 minutes ago, Annayya said: Now that Star Wars had its second week done in China, we should have a better estimate of what the final total will be from China. I am thinking $125 million. Could it be significantly higher? Im thinking lower 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTUS 2020 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 16 minutes ago, TommyA10 said: T4 in No.98 in all time domestic, and No.15 international (with its huge China gross). It is No.3 in China. So not quite the same. The movie still over performed everywhere considering its quality, but China definitely gave it the biggest boost. TF4 was top ten for its year China is an expanding market. It's 3rd for now but could be 98th as well if it had 30 years of BO at these nunbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTUS 2020 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 19 minutes ago, TommyA10 said: T4 in No.98 in all time domestic, and No.15 international (with its huge China gross). It is No.3 in China. So not quite the same. The movie still over performed everywhere considering its quality, but China definitely gave it the biggest boost. It will probably make $11m midweek. Next weekend at least a 65% drop= $7m. Followed by $4.5m midweek, then KFP3 opens. $3m more. I would say 125m is possible but the ceiling. 115m if the drops are harsher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efialtes76 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 KFP3 presales are low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annayya Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I have just done some rough calculations and it seems Titanic and Avatar were more successful compared to even the original Star Wars movie from 1977, even after adjusting for inflation. Star Wars (1977) Domestic = $460,998,007 which is $1,533,609,700 adjusted for inflation Overseas = $314,400,000 which is $1,045,919,683 adjusted for inflation Worldwide Total = $775,398,007 which is $2,579,529,383 adjusted for inflation Avatar (2009) Domestic = $760,507,625 which is $837,367,900 adjusted for inflation Overseas = $2,027,457,462 which is $2,232,361,309 adjusted for inflation Worldwide Total = $2,787,965,087 which is $3,069,729,209 adjusted for inflation Titanic (1997) Domestic = $658,672,302 which is $1,166,435,200 adjusted for inflation Overseas = $1,528,100,000 which is $2,428,574,848 adjusted for inflation ($348 million 3D re-release inflation conversion is only considered for the value increased from 2012 to 2015) Worldwide Total = $2,186,772,302 which is $3,595,010,048 adjusted for inflation Gone With the Wind (1939) Domestic = $198,676,459 which is $1,739,604,200 adjusted for inflation Overseas = $201,500,000 which is $1,764,327,027 adjusted for inflation Worldwide Total = $400,176,459 which is $3,503,931,227 adjusted for inflation So the adjusted for inflation worldwide gross is this: 1) Titanic 2) Gone with the Wind 3) Avatar 4) Star Wars (1977) Note: I have not taken the crazy re-releases into calculation for overseas releases of Star Wars and Gone with the wind which have released multiple times several years and decades later. The final adjusted inflation value if anything, will only be lower so the worldwide rankings above will be similar. Source for Domestic Inflation calculation is boxofficemojo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 7 hours ago, James said: .... users are mostly american.... Same with IMDB. No interest to participate in the general discussion (never even having seen any Transformer movies beside a few scenes for discussion reasons), but your assumption about IMDb isn't actual anymore in a lot of cases (movies) since quite some time, especially if internationally seen in the cinemas, like e.g. the MCU movies, or...... I am guessing you dislike it there too (IMDb message boards...), so you might have missed that development. If you look up the ratimg per year (e.g. via filters) you might even learn about how many movies got rates into ths or that top/bottom something chart/list beside never being/gotten released in the US (or UK,...) As it's about T4 here in the last few pages, here the split T4 has at IMDb (interestingly the average rating only differs 0.1 anyway): US users 26100 5.5 Non-US users 94883 5.6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Annayya said: snip Did you earnestly try to use US inflation rates... for OS tnflation calculations too or did I misunderstood that? Including US ticket price changes? Edited January 17, 2016 by terrestrial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonstersandRoy Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Annayya said: I have just done some rough calculations and it seems Titanic and Avatar were more successful compared to even the original Star Wars movie from 1977, even after adjusting for inflation. Star Wars (1977) Domestic = $460,998,007 which is $1,533,609,700 adjusted for inflation Overseas = $314,400,000 which is $1,045,919,683 adjusted for inflation Worldwide Total = $775,398,007 which is $2,579,529,383 adjusted for inflation Avatar (2009) Domestic = $760,507,625 which is $837,367,900 adjusted for inflation Overseas = $2,027,457,462 which is $2,232,361,309 adjusted for inflation Worldwide Total = $2,787,965,087 which is $3,069,729,209 adjusted for inflation Titanic (1997) Domestic = $658,672,302 which is $1,166,435,200 adjusted for inflation Overseas = $1,528,100,000 which is $2,428,574,848 adjusted for inflation ($348 million 3D re-release inflation conversion is only considered for the value increased from 2012 to 2015) Worldwide Total = $2,186,772,302 which is $3,595,010,048 adjusted for inflation Gone With the Wind (1939) Domestic = $198,676,459 which is $1,739,604,200 adjusted for inflation Overseas = $201,500,000 which is $1,764,327,027 adjusted for inflation Worldwide Total = $400,176,459 which is $3,503,931,227 adjusted for inflation So the adjusted for inflation worldwide gross is this: 1) Titanic 2) Gone with the Wind 3) Avatar 4) Star Wars (1977) Note: I have not taken the crazy re-releases into calculation for overseas releases of Star Wars and Gone with the wind which have released multiple times several years and decades later. The final adjusted inflation value if anything, will only be lower so the worldwide rankings above will be similar. Source for Domestic Inflation calculation is boxofficemojo Nice figures! Also new + expanded film markets in the world have emerged between the release of Star Wars in 1977 and Avatar in 2009. But taking that into account would make it impossible to come up with a potential figure, but I'd imagine if Star Wars in 1977 had the same totally global platform as Avatar in 2009, it may have done more. Edited January 17, 2016 by MonstersandRoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgchn40 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 1 hour ago, terrestrial said: Did you earnestly try to use US inflation rates... for OS tnflation calculations too or did I misunderstood that? Including US ticket price changes? I feel that attendance will be a better guage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annayya Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 1 hour ago, sgchn40 said: I feel that attendance will be a better guage. Unfortunately, other than Japan I don't think any other country provides this information accurately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annayya Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, terrestrial said: Did you earnestly try to use US inflation rates... for OS tnflation calculations too or did I misunderstood that? Including US ticket price changes? We already have confirmed box office figures in US dollars for both domestic and overseas. Based on the inflation calculation by boxofficemojo domestically here, its easy to calculate the amount for the overseas. It will always be an approximation ofcourse. The adjuster includes average ticket price. For example, if a movie made $1 on 1939, and that $1 is worth $8 in 2016, the original value is multiplied by 8 for overseas as well. The final actual adjusted amount could only be lower than my estimate for overseas as the movies are usually released several years later overseas with many re-releases in the past (prior to 1990s). The inflation rate decreases as the movie releases a few years later overseas, but you need extremely detailed box office stats to calculate that accurately. Titanic re-release was very recent so its easy for me to reduce the inflation accordingly for the $348 million it made in 2012. Edited January 18, 2016 by Annayya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrestrial Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 4 hours ago, Annayya said: We already have confirmed box office figures in US dollars for both domestic and overseas. I asked if you earnestly used (put in spoiler tags to not force OT to other users of this thread) Spoiler US inflation for worldwide inflation comparisons (and ignoring some other major points seemingly too), including using US ticket price development for ww comparisons / calculation. If yes = IMHO not a question of how far accurate, its IMHO not usable. Hint: if it would be that simple, a lot of those kind of website would offer ww adjusted charts too. Beside that, confirmed is IMHO something else, as e.g. BOM's details vary from other also respected websites (for older and ~ actual movies), all of them stating themselves about their numbers of especially older movies (e.g. depending on the website, before 1982) are rather guessed/estimated. Plus especially the adjuster for ticket price is one of the most questioned detail at BOM, also to clear how they handle a new exchange rate even for revenues of another month/year, and.... BTW, I also honestly think you are with that kind of posts way , as this is the China thread and not the OS whatever comparison thread or even correct forum area. If your main aim is an addition to the already endless comparisons between... whatever, there are already threads for that in the Speaksay Forum, if it's about exchange rate's per country, there is a thread in the International Forum, if it is about the OS details and how to interpret those, there are per movie threads in the International area also.... (your assumption about only Japan having those kind of archived details isn't correct, also for learning a lot of sources,.... the International Forum's area is a great place to start for learning sources and more too.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb007 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 The overseas gross of ANH is about $196M in its original release and about $118M in 1997 special edition release. That would be way higher than $1B overseas in current value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annayya Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, terrestrial said: snip 24 minutes ago, terrestrial said: I asked if you earnestly used (put in spoiler tags to not force OT to other users of this thread) Hide contents US inflation for worldwide inflation comparisons (and ignoring some other major points seemingly too), including using US ticket price development for ww comparisons / calculation. If yes = IMHO not a question of how far accurate, its IMHO not usable. Hint: if it would be that simple, a lot of those kind of website would offer ww adjusted charts too. Beside that, confirmed is IMHO something else, as e.g. BOM's details vary from other also respected websites (for older and ~ actual movies), all of them stating themselves about their numbers of especially older movies (e.g. depending on the website, before 1982) are rather guessed/estimated. Plus especially the adjuster for ticket price is one of the most questioned detail at BOM, also to clear how they handle a new exchange rate even for revenues of another month/year, and.... BTW, I also honestly think you are with that kind of posts way , as this is the China thread and not the OS whatever comparison thread or even correct forum area. If your main aim is an addition to the already endless comparisons between... whatever, there are already threads for that in the Speaksay Forum, if it's about exchange rate's per country, there is a thread in the International Forum, if it is about the OS details and how to interpret those, there are per movie threads in the International area also.... (your assumption about only Japan having those kind of archived details isn't correct, also for learning a lot of sources,.... the International Forum's area is a great place to start for learning sources and more too.) Thanks for educating me on where to post what. Except for my post, I guess 99.999% of the posts in this website are very appropriate to the thread title/topic and there is absolutely no deviation. In terms of accuracy of the numbers, I said it was a rough approximation. I wasn't trying to prepare a thesis on this for you. Edited January 18, 2016 by Annayya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgchn40 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 6 hours ago, Annayya said: Unfortunately, other than Japan I don't think any other country provides this information accurately. The only other market I know is South Korea but I think what you had done a fairly good estimate. The general trend is about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fake Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 SW7 looking at 60% SUN-to-MON drop. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
